Catholic Church's nonprofit status challenged in Maine

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A California-based homosexual-rights group has filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service challenging the tax-exempt status of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Maine. The Empowering Spirits Foundation says that by engaging in political activity aimed at overturning Maine’s new same-sex “marriage” law, the diocese is violating IRS rules for nonprofits.
A diocese spokesman says IRS policy allows the diocese to participate in the campaign to collect the more than 55,000 voter signatures needed to suspend the law and have voters decide its fate.
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what a hatefull little group to sue a diocese all the way across the country just because they are bitter about prop8 and want to cling to their delusions of ‘gay marriage’ being normal and ok.
 
They’re not doing themselves any favors. They will regret it!
 
So what if the Catholic Church loses its tax exempt status? Our pastors would be free to preach on what is right and what is wrong and they wouldn’t live in the shadow/fear of the government any longer.

Look at it this way. Do you think God is pleased that so many of our priests cower in fear of what they can say on Sunday because they are afraid of losing the Church’s tax exempt status? It’s not as if the Church in China or Africa is worrying about their “tax-exempt” status. That “benefit” is only available to Americans. So the real question that should be asked? Are the clergy afraid that we will not be able to fund our Church if we do not have a tax exempt status in America? If the answer to that is yes, it shows a lack of faith in what God can do and provide for His church. The second question that should be asked–will people not give to the Church if they can’t deduct it from their taxes? I really hope the answer to that is no. As far as I know, I don’t give money to any charity because I can deduct it at the end of the year—it is nice that I get to deduct it but it is not the main reason I do it.
 
what a hatefull little group to sue a diocese all the way across the country just because they are bitter about prop8 and want to cling to their delusions of ‘gay marriage’ being normal and ok.
I have to quibble with two points.

First, I don’t think the fact that they’re based in California is relevant to your argument here. That would be like someone criticizing the New York-based Catholic League for taking action on a west coast issue.

Second, I don’t think it’s hateful for an organization to pursue legal action consistent with its mission. It would be more charitable, and accurate, to describe them as misguided.
 
I have to quibble with two points.

First, I don’t think the fact that they’re based in California is relevant to your argument here. That would be like someone criticizing the New York-based Catholic League for taking action on a west coast issue.

Second, I don’t think it’s hateful for an organization to pursue legal action consistent with its mission. It would be more charitable, and accurate, to describe them as misguided.
They may not be hateful, but I’m guessing they are hypocrites, in addition to being misguided. There are churches who encourage their parishioners to sign petitions and support “gay marriage.” I don’t see people who are opposed to “gay marriage” pushing to have those churches’ tax exempt statuses removed.
 
They’re not doing themselves any favors. They will regret it!
You may be right.

I am unfamiliar with the organization, so I went to their website (which is undergoing major renovation.) That site states that:
Empowering Spirits Foundation members engage in service-oriented activities in communities typically opposed to equal rights.
It is our hope that in working side-by-side with our non-LGBT neighbors, they may come to see similarities rather than differences, hope rather than failure, strength rather than weakness.
This philosophy of winning hearts through cooperation would seem in opposition to their attack on a large religious organization. Although the Catholic Church in Maine was a major political rival in the gay marriage debate, it still is widely respected and supported so an attack on it can’t help but to poison the feelings of many.

On the other hand, the website also says:
Additionally, the Empowering Spirits Foundation sponsors legislation, lobbies legislators, develops community awareness, collaborates with other coalitions, and empowers individuals and organizations to engage in the political process for equality.
So maybe the Enpowering Spirits Foundation is moving away from its soft tactics and embracing hard political tactics instead.
 
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what a hatefull little group to sue a diocese all the way across the country just because they are bitter about prop8 and want to cling to their delusions of ‘gay marriage’ being normal and ok.
First they’ll try the IRS. If they don’t succeed there, watch for them to file a lawsuit. They’re so use to seeing judges in California legislate from the bench, they’ll think they can get a friendly judge to bypass the legislature and make a ruling to take their tax exempt status away and not let the people decide.
 
You may be right.

I am unfamiliar with the organization, so I went to their website (which is undergoing major renovation.) That site states that:

This philosophy of winning hearts through cooperation would seem in opposition to their attack on a large religious organization. Although the Catholic Church in Maine was a major political rival in the gay marriage debate, it still is widely respected and supported so an attack on it can’t help but to poison the feelings of many.

On the other hand, the website also says:

So maybe the Enpowering Spirits Foundation is moving away from its soft tactics and embracing hard political tactics instead.
Looks like it. There’s also a lawsuit against the Diocese of Portland.
They want to hurt anyone or any group that doesn’t agree with there lifestyle.
They want freedom of speech for themselves, but will take it away from those they don’t like.
 
They may not be hateful, but I’m guessing they are hypocrites, in addition to being misguided. There are churches who encourage their parishioners to sign petitions and support “gay marriage.” I don’t see people who are opposed to “gay marriage” pushing to have those churches’ tax exempt statuses removed.
It’s certainly possible they are hypocrites. However, just because their tactics are different from an opposing group, doesn’t make them, or the other group, hypocritical.
 
They may not be hateful, but I’m guessing they are hypocrites, in addition to being misguided. There are churches who encourage their parishioners to sign petitions and support “gay marriage.” I don’t see people who are opposed to “gay marriage” pushing to have those churches’ tax exempt statuses removed.
Maybe those who are Pro-“Traditional” marriage should fight back by suing Pro-SSM groups who claim non-profit status. The same tactics could be used against the Pro-Infanticide crowd (i.e. NARAL).
 
Maybe those who are Pro-“Traditional” marriage should fight back by suing Pro-SSM groups who claim non-profit status. The same tactics could be used against the Pro-Infanticide crowd (i.e. NARAL).
Not all non-profits are tax exempt. Personally, I don’t believe in such tactics, because I don’t think that limiting your speech should be a criteria for any tax break.
 
Not all non-profits are tax exempt. Personally, I don’t believe in such tactics, because I don’t think that limiting your speech should be a criteria for any tax break.
Well, I don’t like these tactics either, but I am sick and tired of these liberal non-profits, assuming they are tax exempt, running around spewing pro-“gay” marriage and pro-choice/abortion/infanticide garbage and then trying to say it is ‘social activism’ or some such craziness.
 
Not all non-profits are tax exempt. Personally, I don’t believe in such tactics, because I don’t think that limiting your speech should be a criteria for any tax break.
This whole thing started down in Texas where a bunch of ministers were telling their congregations specifically not to vote for a particular politician. Said politician got the IRS involved, which started the ball rolling on regulating speech in churches. Up until now, so long as the minister or priest didn’t name names or tell their people to vote for a particular party, that was OK. Now the pendulum is swinging so that taking ANY side on a controversial issue may be considered a violation of the rules regarding political speech and tax-exempt organizations.
 
This whole thing started down in Texas where a bunch of ministers were telling their congregations specifically not to vote for a particular politician. Said politician got the IRS involved, which started the ball rolling on regulating speech in churches. Up until now, so long as the minister or priest didn’t name names or tell their people to vote for a particular party, that was OK. Now the pendulum is swinging so that taking ANY side on a controversial issue may be considered a violation of the rules regarding political speech and tax-exempt organizations.
Right. I don’t even agree with stopping pastors/ministers from making their views about specific politicians known to their congregations. What’s the big deal?
 
The truth is that any tax paying citizen has a right to question the system. This would include questioning the tax-exempt status of any organization.

The problem when you take such action as a come back is that it does not produce the desired results. Instead of sympathy for your cause or opening up doors of fraternal charity, these actions trigger anger and sometimes intolerance where there may have been none in the past.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
The truth is that any tax paying citizen has a right to question the system. This would include questioning the tax-exempt status of any organization.

The problem when you take such action as a come back is that it does not produce the desired results. Instead of sympathy for your cause or opening up doors of fraternal charity, these actions trigger anger and sometimes intolerance where there may have been none in the past.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
Interesting…are you saying that the poor (non-taxpaying citizens) don’t have a right to question the system? This is my point regarding the tax-exempt status. If one must pay taxes in order to participate in political dialogue, then we should remove all non-taxpaying citizens from the ability to vote.

Do you agree? No? I didn’t think so…
 
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what a hatefull little group to sue a diocese all the way across the country just because they are bitter about prop8 and want to cling to their delusions of ‘gay marriage’ being normal and ok.
Interesting. I wonder how they’re going to feel when the various diocese are forced to close their hospitals - you know, the ones that treat HIV patients - if the tax laws change and they become impossible to fund.
 
So what if the Catholic Church loses its tax exempt status? Our pastors would be free to preach on what is right and what is wrong and they wouldn’t live in the shadow/fear of the government any longer.

Look at it this way. Do you think God is pleased that so many of our priests cower in fear of what they can say on Sunday because they are afraid of losing the Church’s tax exempt status? It’s not as if the Church in China or Africa is worrying about their “tax-exempt” status. That “benefit” is only available to Americans. So the real question that should be asked? Are the clergy afraid that we will not be able to fund our Church if we do not have a tax exempt status in America? If the answer to that is yes, it shows a lack of faith in what God can do and provide for His church. The second question that should be asked–will people not give to the Church if they can’t deduct it from their taxes? I really hope the answer to that is no. As far as I know, I don’t give money to any charity because I can deduct it at the end of the year—it is nice that I get to deduct it but it is not the main reason I do it.
Well said. It seems tax exempt status is used as a pay off to Churches to keep quiet.
 
Interesting. I wonder how they’re going to feel when the various diocese are forced to close their hospitals - you know, the ones that treat HIV patients - if the tax laws change and they become impossible to fund.
Simple. They’ll just blame the Church for letting those people die. The Church is rich enough – if they wanted to, they could fund the hospitals, soup kitchens, etc. This is just the Church’s way of getting back at the people who wanted the Church to pay its fair share.

Am I being too cynical?
 
Well said. It seems tax exempt status is used as a pay off to Churches to keep quiet.
If you think the removal of “tax-exempt” status is imminent, have you checked with your local government to see what the annual taxes would be on your church, if your church had to pay taxes?
 
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