Catholic Climate Movement

[SuperLuigi]

Ultimately this is my main beef with people who oppose climate change. Doesn’t really matter if it’s a load of ****, fighting climate change amounts to reducing pollution and God didn’t give us this planet to destroy it and harm the health of the general population just to make a buck.

So we can bring about heaven on earth through sloppy methodology and scandal?

And for what? So a professor’s feelings don’t get hurt?

 

[SuperLuigi]

Climate change, immigration, monetary concerns, et al. The Idol of the secularized Church.

Never mind the total assault on gender in the West.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

Mikekle wrote, in part:

Perhaps this is a rhetorical comment.
St. Mother Teresa would’ve said, “They’ve all been aborted.”

The Great Barrier Reef is dying, which is a harbor for many species of fish, which are over-harvested. To me, this is not getting as much attention as AGW and is a more dire problem.

Blessed Lent,
Mimi

Einstein was known for a spot of re working others ideas, and being a philanderer.

Coral bleaching is putting an end to the Reef. Alas for the seas also being deserts. All that run off too.

 

[lynnvinc]

catholicclimatemovement.global/april-29/

April 28th is President Trump’s 100th day in office. April 28th also marks the government budget deadline and possible government shutdown.

There is much happening at that time.

So good to see Catholics are following Church teachings & the admonishments of JPII, BXVI and Pope Francis to protect creation and mitigate CC.

Let us all find ways in our daily lives to reduce our GHG emissions and reduce this harm to humanity and the rest of God’s creation. That is my prayer.

 

[lynnvinc]

…The Great Barrier Reef is dying, which is a harbor for many species of fish, which are over-harvested. To me, this is not getting as much attention as AGW and is a more dire problem.

Blessed Lent,
Mimi

Actually it is getting attention (at least in the environmentalist community), and it is in part due to global warming, in addition to over-harvesting. So it would be a win-win situation to mitigate CC, which will mitigate so many other problems that harm life.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

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Actually it is getting attention (at least in the environmentalist community), and it is in part due to global warming, in addition to over-harvesting. So it would be a win-win situation to mitigate CC, which will mitigate so many other problems that harm life.

Coral bleaching, ag run off and ideal conditions for the Crown of Thorns Star fish are whats killing the reef.
barrierreef.org/latest/news/coral-bleaching-update

 

[lynnvinc]

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Coral bleaching, ag run off and ideal conditions for the Crown of Thorns Star fish are whats killing the reef.
barrierreef.org/latest/news/coral-bleaching-update

Yes, and warming waters as well as ocean acidification from CO2 emissions are also causing that. It’s just that we are in the beginnings of global warming. It will over the decades and centuries take over as the main cause of our oceans dying out, including the dying of coral reefs.

People are mainly focused on how CC will harm agriculture, but we also depend on sealife for our sustenance, and that is a very important topic. Some think it is because it is beneath the sea surface and we don’t see it that people aren’t as tuned into this issue.

 

[Ridgerunner]

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Coral bleaching, ag run off and ideal conditions for the Crown of Thorns Star fish are whats killing the reef.
barrierreef.org/latest/news/coral-bleaching-update

Also, overfishing of the crown of thorns’ predators. To my understanding, the Australian government has started taking measures to reduce fishing of the predators. If they’re successful in that, the crown of thorn numbers will almost certainly rebalance.

 

[lynnvinc]

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Coral bleaching, ag run off and ideal conditions for the Crown of Thorns Star fish are whats killing the reef.
barrierreef.org/latest/news/coral-bleaching-update

Here is a holistic picture of how climate change is harming coral reefs, including CC increasing ag run off. See oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/coralreef-climate.html and its chart below (sorry for the large image):



However, you’d better see it soon, because Trump is deleting much of the science that refers to climate change. He thinks if we don’t see anything about it or talk about it anymore, it will stop.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Here is a holistic picture of how climate change is harming coral reefs, including CC increasing ag run off. See oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/coralreef-climate.html and its chart below (sorry for the large image):

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/coralreef-climate.jpg

However, you’d better see it soon, because Trump is deleting much of the science that refers to climate change. He thinks if we don’t see anything about it or talk about it anymore, it will stop.

We’re all familiar with this stuff, and I, for one, don’t believe it now any more than before, which might be why (as stated in another thread) even the mainline news people aren’t pumping out the propaganda like they once did. It’s yesterday’s news.

One thing is probably true if Trump cuts funding for climate change propaganda. They won’t be able to afford all those pretty graphics.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Here is a holistic picture of how climate change is harming coral reefs, including CC increasing ag run off. See oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/coralreef-climate.html and its chart below (sorry for the large image):

http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/coralreef-climate.jpg

However, you’d better see it soon, because Trump is deleting much of the science that refers to climate change. He thinks if we don’t see anything about it or talk about it anymore, it will stop.

Please stop posting these huge graphics. They make the thread very difficult to read. Just post the link if you can’t figure out how to shrink the graphic.

 

[qui_est_ce]

1. They risk idolatry.
2. Warmer temperatures grow more food. Is that somehow a negative?

blog.adw.org/2015/05/beware-the-strangest-idol-of-all-a-reflection-on-how-even-works-of-charity-cannot-eclipse-obedience-to-christ/

This article is spot on. Thanks for finding it and posting. I read Msgr Pope’s posts every morning.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Please stop posting these huge graphics. They make the thread very difficult to read. Just post the link if you can’t figure out how to shrink the graphic.

Patience qui est-ce. If Trump cuts the funding, the graphic artists who prepare all of this stuff will be forced to go out and make ads for ConAgra or somebody.

 

[lynnvinc]

Patience qui est-ce. If Trump cuts the funding, the graphic artists who prepare all of this stuff will be forced to go out and make ads for ConAgra or somebody.

That’s what I figure. The graph will be taken down as soon as it is humanly possible to do so. They just have so much CC information to delete from gov webpages. Be assured, they’re working as fast as they can.

But if anyone knows how to shrink images here at CAF, let me know.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Ultimately this is my main beef with people who oppose climate change. Doesn’t really matter if it’s a load of ****, fighting climate change amounts to reducing pollution and God didn’t give us this planet to destroy it and harm the health of the general population just to make a buck.

Simply not true. Nobody opposes climate change. It’s been happening since the creation of the world. Nobody opposes taking care of our planet. My family has been recycling ever since I was a little kid. Our kids wore hand-me-downs and shared bedrooms. Does anybody do that anymore? Do you shop second-hand stores?

Your are mixing climate change with pollution.

Taking care of our planet involves more than a world government solution.

But then again, it’s easy to point fingers and demonize people who don’t agree with your solutions.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Patience qui est-ce. If Trump cuts the funding, the graphic artists who prepare all of this stuff will be forced to go out and make ads for ConAgra or somebody.

Talk about who’s making a buck off climate change.

 

[lynnvinc]

1. They risk idolatry.
2. Warmer temperatures grow more food. Is that somehow a negative?

blog.adw.org/2015/05/beware-the-strangest-idol-of-all-a-reflection-on-how-even-works-of-charity-cannot-eclipse-obedience-to-christ/

I’d say killing people is risking one’s immortal soul. I’m not talking about doing charity or following a social gospel. I’m talking about violating the 10 Commandments.

Thou shalt not kill.

When we cause environmental harms we contribute to the harm and death of people. That’s just plain wrong in Christianity and most other religions.

BTW, armchair science saying “warmer temps grow more food” is also very wrong on the whole in the context of CC. You need to do a lot of research, or at least read the peer-reviewed research out there. CC is and will be harming food productivity for 100s of years, if not for 1000s of years. I’ve done extensive reading of scientific studies in that area. You can start with Google Scholar at scholar.google.com/

Taking food away from people is wrong. It is not a matter of us trying to be charitable or follow a social gospel. It is just plain wrong to harm and destroy people’s food productivity.

I guess Jesus will forgive because we know not what we do, even if we do not repent and seek his forgiveness. But working to dissuade others from harming, putting their souls also in jeopardy. That’s worse. I think that may require seeking forgiveness.

 

[lynnvinc]

Simply not true. Nobody opposes climate change. It’s been happening since the creation of the world. Nobody opposes taking care of our planet. My family has been recycling ever since I was a little kid. Our kids wore hand-me-downs and shared bedrooms. Does anybody do that anymore? Do you shop second-hand stores?

Your are mixing climate change with pollution.

Taking care of our planet involves more than a world government solution.

But then again, it’s easy to point fingers and demonize people who don’t agree with your solutions.

Suggest you get your info from peer-reviewed studies, not web-lies.

Here’s a good start where you can find studies relating to climate change:

Google Scholar scholar.google.com/
Science sciencemag.org/journals
Nature www.nature.com/nature
Nature Climate Change www.nature.com/nclimate
Proceeding of the National Academy of Sciences pnas.org/
Journal of Climate journals.ametsoc.org/toc/clim/current

and many more out there.

Or, how about reading LAUDATO SI by Pope Francis, which nicely summarized the science and puts it in a Catholic perspective: w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html

 

[qui_est_ce]

Suggest you get your info from peer-reviewed studies, not web-lies.

Here’s a good start where you can find studies relating to climate change:

Google Scholar scholar.google.com/
Science sciencemag.org/journals
Nature www.nature.com/nature
Nature Climate Change www.nature.com/nclimate
Proceeding of the National Academy of Sciences pnas.org/
Journal of Climate journals.ametsoc.org/toc/clim/current

and many more out there.

Or, how about reading LAUDATO SI by Pope Francis, which nicely summarized the science and puts it in a Catholic perspective: w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/papa-francesco_20150524_enciclica-laudato-si.html

I didn’t source my comments with a link, so I don’t know which lies you think I’m repeating.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I’d say killing people is risking one’s immortal soul. I’m not talking about doing charity or following a social gospel. I’m talking about violating the 10 Commandments.

Thou shalt not kill.

When we cause environmental harms we contribute to the harm and death of people. That’s just plain wrong in Christianity and most other religions.

BTW, armchair science saying “warmer temps grow more food” is also very wrong on the whole in the context of CC. You need to do a lot of research, or at least read the peer-reviewed research out there. CC is and will be harming food productivity for 100s of years, if not for 1000s of years. I’ve done extensive reading of scientific studies in that area. You can start with Google Scholar at scholar.google.com/

Taking food away from people is wrong. It is not a matter of us trying to be charitable or follow a social gospel. It is just plain wrong to harm and destroy people’s food productivity.

I guess Jesus will forgive because we know not what we do, even if we do not repent and seek his forgiveness. But working to dissuade others from harming, putting their souls also in jeopardy. That’s worse. I think that may require seeking forgiveness.

One might seek forgiveness for telling people they are sinning by not believing in one or more of the conventional tenets of manmade global warming.

You are persuaded of the conventional version of it, seemingly without exception, but plenty of people are not, and with reason.

If, indeed, Trump curtails paying huge amounts of government money to support propagation of the conventional version, it may well limit some of the fraud and make room for better science.