Catholic Colleges or colleges with good CCM groups

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joeybaggz said:
I’ve read that Newman guide. It lists all the very conservative Catholic universities that are favored by the very traditional Catholic crowd.
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This is not true. For example: Catholic University of America and Mount St Mary’s are not “traditionalist” Colleges.

The Newman list sticks to Ex Corde Ecclesiae
 
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Hi there!
I am a member of Catholic Christian Outreach (CCO). We’re around most universities in Canada. I am planning to study again in the University of Calgary, where the CCO is active. If you need I can provide you some information about CCO 🙂
 
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The local Jesuit college is almost same as the State college.
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My opinion, as an alumnus of a Jesuit university and the father of sons who graduated from Jesuit universities, is that Jesuit universities are the high point of Catholic education in the US. I was exceedingly satisfied with every aspect of my own and my sons’ education, and wholeheartedly recommend them without reservation.

As far as the Newman Society is concerned, I consider them bogus and their opinions unworthy of serious consideration.

Your mileage may vary, and apparently does.
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So you think Catholic University of America is bogus?

I’m sorry, but the Jesuit colleges (while VERY good ACADEMICALLY) are not Catholic as in Ex Corde Ecclesiae. They are all very much similar to public universities. A lot of them (like Georgetown and University of San Francsico) have professors who publicly speak out against Catholic teaching and allow officially recognized student organizations (clubs, etc) which go against Catholic teaching.

Long ago, the actual Jesuit priests turned over control of the Jesuit colleges to lay board of directors, who want to run the schools like public universities.

Here’s a good real life example: Man Up Philly - the annual Catholic Men’s Conference in Philadelphia used to rent out the basketball stadium at St Joe’s University (a Jesuit college). In the many years I attended the conference there, not once did St Joe’s campus ministry take part. Not once did they have a booth. Not once did young men on campus even know the conference was there. Their events department rented out the space, but the University showed no interest in promoting the event, co-sponsoring, etc. Even during the years the Archbishop was leading the mass. Nothing from St Joe’s other than a couple Jesuit priests attending. There wasn’t even a welcome from the University.

It was no different than if we had rented space from a public university for the Catholic Men’s conference.

BTW - the academics of a college today are not as important on the undergraduate level. An undergradate degree has become what a high school diploma was in the 1950s. It’s the graduate school that matters for graduate degrees. But where one receives his/her undergrad degree doesn’t matter anymore unless the degree is in a niche field.

God Bless
 
AndrewAxland said:
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So you think Catholic University of America is bogus?
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Dishonestly putting words in someone’s mouth is a guaranteed way of losing their ear. You have lost mine. Good day!
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I’m sorry, but you were the one that said the Cardinal Newman list is bogus. Catholic University of America is on that list.

If you don’t consider Catholic University of America to be a bogus school, then why do you call the list bogus? The Cardinal Newman List has most of the college in the US that meet up with Ex Corde Ecclesiae. Do you consider Ex Corde Ecclesiae to be bogus? I’m sorry, but I fail to understand why you are calling the Cardinal Newman list bogus.

God Bless
 
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One thing the OP can take from this thread is that he will have to decide on his priorities for an education.

A Catholic school in accord with Ex Corde Ecclesiae? A Catholic school like Notre Dame or Georgetown with a solid academic reputation? An affordable public school?

Future plans also play a part. Someone planning to go into business, for example, may want a school with good networking opportunities. Someone planning a Ph.D. may be looking for networking of a different sort And grades and test scores will also play a part in the decision.
 
SuscipeMeDomine said:
Future plans also play a part. Someone planning to go into business, for example, may want a school with good networking opportunities. Someone planning a Ph.D. may be looking for networking of a different sort And grades and test scores will also play a part in the decision.
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Right.

I can’t tell other people what to do; it’s their life and their decision, but if I were making the choice that would come first, my future plans, then and only then, whether I want to go to a Catholic school, a traditional Catholic school, a state school, etc.
 
Maximilian75 said:
Really? What makes you say that?
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Here are a number of articles from the National Catholic Register about what’s going on at Providence College

http://www.ncregister.com/search/results?q=providence college

They turned over the college to a lay board and the new president has mentioned that the school was too Catholic.

They have also recently fired an RA who put up things teaching the Catholic understanding of Matrimony and when he was physically attacked by pro-LGBT students, the school did nothing.

Please one of their professors recently left (very publicly).

You have to remember: most Catholic colleges are no longer under the direct control of the Religious Order that founded them. The Religious members might have one or two votes, and in many instances they are no longer even control the presidency.

And even with the schools that do have a religious order president, many of them are proponents of the Land O’ Lakes Conference and reject St. John Paul II’s Ex corde Ecclesiae
 
Our local Jesuit college has gone from having 35 Jesuits to having 3 full-time, and maybe a couple retired priests who help out. No Jesuits are in administration.

As the number of Jesuits declined several decades ago, they often were replaced by laity trained by Jesuits or at least with Catholic education background. There was some effort to extend Jesuit education. In more recent decades that effort is gone. But they use the term “Jesuit” more than ever.

This is not a critique of Jesuit education, which is good. It’s a critique of false advertising.
 
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