Catholic condom campaign sparks controversy

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Catholic condom campaign sparks controversy
The Catholic church of Lucerne has launched a controversial Aids prevention campaign which includes the distribution of condoms.
At the same time, a Catholic mission is hosting a road show that educates young people about Aids in Africa.

Oy vey!
 
Somebody needs to step on those behind this and get this stuff straightened out! One cannot follow both the world and Christ. One must choose one or the Other.
 
“We want to discuss this problem with youths and other people and show that we are from this millennium and that they can talk about this openly with us – there are no taboos,” said Florian Flohr, spokesman for the Catholic church of the city of Lucerne.
And just WHO is this guy and by what authority does he dare speak for the “Church”? And WHY hasn’t the bishop already issued a statement condemning this? The entire article is tweaked.
 
Condom campaign causes uproar
GENEVA (AP) — Roman Catholic parishes in the central Swiss city of Lucerne caused an uproar with an AIDS awareness campaign that involves giving teenagers condoms bearing the slogan “protect thy neighbour as thyself.”

The parishes started handing out some of the 3,000 condoms Monday as part of an effort to engage young people.
 
Roman Catholic parishes in the central Swiss city of Lucerne caused an uproar with an AIDS awareness campaign that involves giving teenagers condoms bearing the slogan “protect thy neighbour as thyself.”

The parishes started handing out some of the 3,000 condoms Monday as part of an effort to engage young people.
I don’t understand how Roman Catholic parishes engage young people by handing out condoms to them? What message are these Roman Catholic parishes giving to the young people when they are handing them condoms? Has the teaching on young people having extra-marital sex and using condoms been changed recently?
 
This is what the graphic on the condom package looks like:
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I don’t understand how Roman Catholic parishes engage young people by handing out condoms to them? What message are these Roman Catholic parishes giving to the young people when they are handing them condoms? Has the teaching on young people having extra-marital sex and using condoms been changed recently?
No, and the Swiss bishops haven’t released a statement about the condoms. However, the spokesman for the Diocese of Basel offers interesting insight:
The diocese of Basel, which oversees Lucerne, was discussing the issue with its followers in the city. A spokesperson underlined that human sexuality had to be based on faithfulness.
“But if people don’t know how to live like that, then they might as well use a condom,” added Giuseppe Gracia.
news24.com/World/News/Swiss-Catholics-hand-out-condoms-20101027
 
Did you have to post the image, Dale? Why do we need to see it? It doesn’t add anything to the discussion. I don’t think we need to see the image to remind ourselves that secular European attitudes toward sex vary even from secular attitudes in the U.S. Not all of Europe, by any means, but certainly some European countries are both more open about sex and have more consistent policies about sex, contraception, etc. than the U.S. is.

I understand that’s not the issue being discussed, but rather Catholic sponsorship.

The U.S. does a lot of things wrong, but i.m.o., this is one of the few areas in which modern sexually active singles (no, I don’t like the phrase, either) have had some smarts. The norm of behavior, since AIDS began affecting behavior here, was to abstain from sex entirely, with anyone, until your potential partner was cleared, and cleared within controlled time frames. I know of couples who visited clinics together, to ensure that the AIDS clearance was contiguous. In addition, these couples also used condoms. However, that was not the first line of defense. No kind of sex with multi-colored, rainbow-colored, or industrial-strength condoms was even considered until clinical clearance was first determined.

So that’s the way, European teenagers: get your clearances. If you’re doing that part right, condoms are only an add’l step in case something went awry with the testing.
 
I don’t understand how Roman Catholic parishes engage young people by handing out condoms to them? What message are these Roman Catholic parishes giving to the young people when they are handing them condoms? Has the teaching on young people having extra-marital sex and using condoms been changed recently?
I’m reminded of the prophetic words of Jesus when he said in Mark 9:41:
And whosoever shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me; it were better for him that a millstone were hanged around his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
 
It’s the same mindset as when people hand out free sterilized needles in heavy drug using areas. I’m surprised we don’t have a program of handing out Kevlar armor to those involved in gang violence yet.

Once you establish in a person’s mind the idea that the behavior is fixed and unchangeable, the rest is easy. So as catholics, we need to FIRST challenge the idea that the behavior is fixed and unchangeable first. So if you’re one who never slept with anyone but your spouse, but LOUD about it (not proud). They say it can’t be done. Our existence proves they are LYING.
 
No, and the Swiss bishops haven’t released a statement about the condoms. However, the spokesman for the Diocese of Basel offers interesting insight:

news24.com/World/News/Swiss-Catholics-hand-out-condoms-20101027
From the above link:
The remaining 2 600 (condoms) set aside will be given to parishioners who want them, said Florian Flohr, **a spokesperson for the Roman Catholic Church **in Lucerne, on Wednesday.
“It** doesn’t go against the Catholic Church,”** he told AFP, underlining that the aim was not to “make propaganda for the condom”.
“In practice some people live according to the principles of the Church but others, especially men - **those who need many women **- live in another way and need protection,” Flohr remarked.
“Catholic doctrine is clear on issues of sexuality. In this instance it’s a practical issue, a particular issue to do with Aids,” **spokesperson Walter Mueller **explained.
WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? I hardly know how to express the outrage in my heart at so devious a distortion of Catholic moral teaching. Anyone weak of faith will read these statements and assume the Church herself is sanctioning this. Since when does practicality trump TRUTH?
 
Apparently Lucerne, and some of its Catholic members, are not up-to-date on the medical protocols for safe-sex in an era of AIDS. They should have read the history. In the '80’s and '90’s, the protocol, before you decided to risk fate with an untried sexual partner, was to get simultaneously tested, with official (viewed) verification for each other’s test results.

Condoms, oh people of Lucerne, have never been the most effective frontline of defense against AIDS contraction for any population. You don’t even consider sex a possibility with anyone not cleared within clearance time-frames. If they’re cleared (ie., you are both cleared, together), condoms become a second-level defense, in the unlikely but possible event of a testing or documentation error.

Naturally I’m just speaking of the medical facts and outcomes here, historically, not the morality implications. However, one could also argue that what is medically unsafe is also morally unjustified. Thus, responsible people in the gay community in the '80’s, for example, also argued for testing as the primary defense. However, there were other voices in the community which supported a continuation of Sex as Usual on the grounds that (1) promiscuity was widely accepted within that community, and (2) promiscuity, accepted or not, was a reality: therefore, it would be less likely than not that your potential partner would be non-HIV. (So “why bother”?) If this is the state of sexual statistics (and/or the level of intravenous drug use) in Lucerne, then that’s a sorry comment on the lifestyles of their youth.

This is somewhat tangential to the central arguments being raised here, but the point still holds that even if those claiming to speak for Catholic positions are also claiming moral justification (i.e., saving lives), their strategy of condoms as the first line of defense is a faulty one.
 
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