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Good_Fella
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That’s quite a generalization. The Muslims I know are setting off car bombs in Iraq.
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Agabriel
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Unfortunately, that is usually what it ends up being though. We don’t persecute people for sinning, in Islam there is punishment - severe punishment. And what you do is condemn your children to this style of punishment.
In Catholicism, God is your Father. You don’t have to have a set of scales balancing good and evil deeds in that day to attain heaven. (make sure to ask what those good deeds are - is it just making sure you say a bunch of PBUH’s after someone’s name?, or is it actually helping others whether they become Muslim or not?)
My problem with Islam is the twisting of evil, or just bad things, into something holy. All the things that Muhammed did they consider ok and holy because he is their Prophet. And Muhammed did a lot of cruel and bad things.
Muhammed redefined sin so as to be able to justify what he did. the term ‘human being’ isn’t even a concept in Islam - it is believers vs unbelievers. And Sharia laws are laws that have some of the worst human rights abuses on this earth. There is no freedom, rights to vote, etc for unbelievers - and muslim women are also not protected even though they will say they are - they are not being completely honest. And this is what you would be condemning your female children to endure in the future.
But, this is just reasons why I wouldn’t become a Muslim.
The thing I find a problem in Catholicism is the lack of community. The priests stay in their rectory or the church, and if there are schools - they go there too. They rarely venture out of these places. The rest of the congregation are left on their own and when their children are out of their schools - you are on your own. There is just no sense of community within the Church and this is one big reason why I think that they are losing people.
Islam will surround you with people to make sure you are taken in to the fold (or what I like to say - totally indoctrinated!). But I don’t find Islam to be anything what you described. I have read the Quran, hadiths and its history. It causes a stagnation and a backwardness, and wasn’t lifted out of it until we entered into their picture.
I hope you don’t think this is a denigration of the thread - I am trying to give you my honest opinion. I believe that Jesus is the way to the truth and the life. And the Bible clearly states there are no other prophets after Jesus and even in the OT Muhammed does not meet the requirements of a prophet. They are the ones who want to ‘piggyback’ off of Judaism and Christianity and they have not met the requirements.
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Agabriel
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Too bad. I didn’t read anything bad from the comments. Don’t get excited over people’s opinions. They have a right to them.
Take what you want and leave what you don’t want.
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Cactus
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Dear Irish Dude,
Please prayerfully contemplate the person of Christ. The artwork in post #2 is a good place to start. Please do not reject Our Lord who loves you immeasurably. Words may have an appeal, but consider The Word. He is trustworthy and you can depend on him to grant you the grace to persevere. Think about the Divine Mercy message. Please allow Jesus to fill your heart with his mercy and love. You won’t be disappointed.
Your brother,
Cactus
Please prayerfully contemplate the person of Christ. The artwork in post #2 is a good place to start. Please do not reject Our Lord who loves you immeasurably. Words may have an appeal, but consider The Word. He is trustworthy and you can depend on him to grant you the grace to persevere. Think about the Divine Mercy message. Please allow Jesus to fill your heart with his mercy and love. You won’t be disappointed.
Your brother,
Cactus
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Muslim_Woman
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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **
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So , don’t leave & keep us updated about your studying on vavrious religions.
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Pl. Don’t be that emotional. We know this forum is not very friendly , specially this section.
So , don’t leave & keep us updated about your studying on vavrious religions.
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Muslim_Woman
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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **
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Now a days , it is said that Islam is the best religion with worst followers
But it must not prevent someone from accepting the Truth
Do u think true Christianity exists now a days ? If we see how Chrisitans forgot the command of their Lord : turn other cheek & how his followers are destroying Iraq , Afghanistan instead of loving enemies , then no one should ever become or remain a Christian.
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If I remember clearly , we answered during the time of the last Prophet (peace be upon him ) , true Islam existed
Now a days , it is said that Islam is the best religion with worst followers
But it must not prevent someone from accepting the Truth
Do u think true Christianity exists now a days ? If we see how Chrisitans forgot the command of their Lord : turn other cheek & how his followers are destroying Iraq , Afghanistan instead of loving enemies , then no one should ever become or remain a Christian.
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Agabriel
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No one has destroyed Iraq more than your fellow Muslim and his followers in the Baathist party - Saddam Hussein. But, he was more of a secular leader who used Islam whenever he thought it best. You cannot even talk nice without demeaning others when it isn’t even justified.If I remember clearly , we answered during the time of the last Prophet , true Islam existed
Now a days , it is said that Islam is the best religion with worst followers
But it must not prevent someone from accepting the Truth
Do u think true Christianity exists now a days ? If we see how Chrisitans forgot the command of their Lord : turn other cheek & how his followers are destroying Iraq , Afghanistan instead of loving enemies , then no one should ever become or remain a Christian.
And now who has been bringing a lot of hardship and killing? The Muslims themselves. We would like to leave Iraq but cannot due to them killing each other just because they are either a Sunni or a Shia. Why is it that they cannot get along? Or the persecution of the Christians, and the Kurds, being another group that Muslims cannot get along with. The Pope has asked, or pleaded, with them to stay to build a Christian community. But we cannot imagine how they can live when their property is taken away, they are driven in huge numbers from their houses, etc. And who does it? Not our military - but the Muslims themselves.
This blanket blaming of the West for the ME’s troubles is not even factual, cannot be backed up with proof and basically denial of what Islam brings when it is allowed to practice Sharia laws.
We have brought medicine to Iraqis, we have rebuilt roads, schools, made sure that girls go to school too, rebuilt the infrastructure and when I read a post like yours - it quite frankly irritates the stuff out of me. It isn’t even close to being truthful about what we have done for the Iraqis.
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seraphime2008
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Dear Irishdude
I live amongst Muslims as a minority in Indonesia. I can understand that sometimes devoutness of the Muslims, especially regarding the 5 times prayer, the sense of fulfilling obligation in performing fasting, the way they approach humility in dressing , the relationship between man and woman, and their 2,5% alms, all these can seem to make them more devotional to Allah then others. But you seem to forget that all of these were done in matters of fear of the punishment that were all over in the Koran. I’ve read the Koran, it’s full of text terrorizing people if they don’t meet those requirement. Their morning sermon of what I really heard, are full with those approach,not to mention the meticulous unnecessary procedure of how to do things right, sometimes can be so senseless.
I’ve never been tempted to become one of them, though. I have to admit that they’re fellow human being that of course have their sense of goodness too since they have their conscience. We can see that people are somehow good and bad, they’re all capable to be either way regardless of what they’re faith are. I have made good friends of them too.
But what I see lack is that when they think that they have perform their religious duty, I only saw them as fearful people. I see this as immature religion who lured their believers with punishment and rewards.
As Christian, you’re not bound to have that kind of relationship with God. You’ve been freed. And so, you’re relationship is supposed with love and respect, by knowing Him personally. That’s why regardless the freedom that could sometimes make people restless, you’re invited to know what He wants you to do. You’re asked to have a mature relationship with Him with all the responsibility and consequences. That’s why Christians have so many saints that have not merely performed religious ritual duty, but deep personal relationship with God and their unfailing effort to reach others for them to be saved too with love.
Then you’re field of service for the love of God will be unlimited. Just think anything that will please God, any opportunity to do good to others will do.
Just my two cents.
Be in love with Christ!
I live amongst Muslims as a minority in Indonesia. I can understand that sometimes devoutness of the Muslims, especially regarding the 5 times prayer, the sense of fulfilling obligation in performing fasting, the way they approach humility in dressing , the relationship between man and woman, and their 2,5% alms, all these can seem to make them more devotional to Allah then others. But you seem to forget that all of these were done in matters of fear of the punishment that were all over in the Koran. I’ve read the Koran, it’s full of text terrorizing people if they don’t meet those requirement. Their morning sermon of what I really heard, are full with those approach,not to mention the meticulous unnecessary procedure of how to do things right, sometimes can be so senseless.
I’ve never been tempted to become one of them, though. I have to admit that they’re fellow human being that of course have their sense of goodness too since they have their conscience. We can see that people are somehow good and bad, they’re all capable to be either way regardless of what they’re faith are. I have made good friends of them too.
But what I see lack is that when they think that they have perform their religious duty, I only saw them as fearful people. I see this as immature religion who lured their believers with punishment and rewards.
As Christian, you’re not bound to have that kind of relationship with God. You’ve been freed. And so, you’re relationship is supposed with love and respect, by knowing Him personally. That’s why regardless the freedom that could sometimes make people restless, you’re invited to know what He wants you to do. You’re asked to have a mature relationship with Him with all the responsibility and consequences. That’s why Christians have so many saints that have not merely performed religious ritual duty, but deep personal relationship with God and their unfailing effort to reach others for them to be saved too with love.
Then you’re field of service for the love of God will be unlimited. Just think anything that will please God, any opportunity to do good to others will do.
Just my two cents.
Be in love with Christ!
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elwill
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thank you for your unbiased and balnced thoughts about islam
i have to agree with you that muslims worship thier God in love and fear of punishment as well
1-the devout muslims will strive to not commit any sins fear of God
2-and also they will worship him and do good to other as a service for the love of God
i think that christians dial with God from the second point only ignoring the first one
that’s why christians can disobey the teaching of thier religion without feel of fear or guilt
our religion is a religion of balance
if i beliebved in God for his mercy only and ignoring his punishments , it will not prevent me from commiting the sin , i will say that God loves me and it will be okey if i disobeyed him this time .
our imams always say , that if we found someone have great fear from God so we should to remind him how God is mercifull
and if we found someone dosn’t have such fear from God and think that it will be okey if he commited sins , so we must to remind him with punishment of God
it’s kind of balance the muslims should to have regarding to thier God
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Muslim_Woman
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yes , it’s a good point . I met 2/3 gay Christians online. They don’t think they are sinners ; they think Jesus (pbuh) told people not to punish the sinner lady , it means no one should tell anyone that s/he is committing a sin or they must be punished etc.
Also , some believe because of Jesus (pbuh) , they won’t get any punishment on the final day.
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Welcome to the Forum
yes , it’s a good point . I met 2/3 gay Christians online. They don’t think they are sinners ; they think Jesus (pbuh) told people not to punish the sinner lady , it means no one should tell anyone that s/he is committing a sin or they must be punished etc.
Also , some believe because of Jesus (pbuh) , they won’t get any punishment on the final day.
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seraphime2008
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Ah…not in my faith…it’s not about balance that one sin will be deleted by other virtue.
It’s not at all like that,.! That’s why I think Christian have a better answer
You live up your life like a scale?
Not me, I live a fullness of live Christ has given me
Not to criticize but that’s what I feel
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DiesMikael
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Sorry if I am being unfair or sounding anti-islam or something, but I just don’t see any beauty in Islam, maybe you could argue “Well, beauty in obedience”, but you find that in all of the three major religions.
But apart from the obedience what does Islam have?
Then you could point out that the media is unfair towards Islam, but it’s not just a majority of news about Islam are bad … its all of them.
And thats not just the media in America or the UK, you get that here in Iceland as well.
Plus, if Islam really has the Truth on its side I don’t see how any media could weaken it.
Now, I am not saying Islam has no beauty in it, I just have yet to see it. And if you have IrishDude, well, then there is not much advice we can give you I think.
Because you can’t "pick’’ a religion of choice because of what other people say or do, you have to go with gut feeling.
Some of the posters here might think that gut feeling is wrong (I do (sorry)), but if you see the truth in one religion and not the other, nothing can change your mind I think - except God.
But apart from the obedience what does Islam have?
Then you could point out that the media is unfair towards Islam, but it’s not just a majority of news about Islam are bad … its all of them.
And thats not just the media in America or the UK, you get that here in Iceland as well.
Plus, if Islam really has the Truth on its side I don’t see how any media could weaken it.
Now, I am not saying Islam has no beauty in it, I just have yet to see it. And if you have IrishDude, well, then there is not much advice we can give you I think.
Because you can’t "pick’’ a religion of choice because of what other people say or do, you have to go with gut feeling.
Some of the posters here might think that gut feeling is wrong (I do (sorry)), but if you see the truth in one religion and not the other, nothing can change your mind I think - except God.
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imperial
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Is a PEDOPHILE against the law?
If so why?
Because a PEDOPHILE has a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children. And how old was Muhammad last wife? 8 yes old. enough said
If so why?
Because a PEDOPHILE has a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children. And how old was Muhammad last wife? 8 yes old. enough said
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SteveLohr
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With all due respect, the war in Iraq is not being waged by the West because of Christianity. In contrast, the war started and currently being being waged by the Jihadists against the the non-Muslim world is being done explicitly in accordance with their understanding of the dictates of Islam. (I would add that the lack of any effective theological response from “moderate” or “mainstream” muslims indicates that the jihadis have some serious theological arguments on these points) Further, Mohammad during his lifetime, when “true Islam” prevailed, waged war against his enemies. As you point out, Christ urged us to turn the other cheek. That shows quite a contrast, IMHO.** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **
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If I remember clearly , we answered during the time of the last Prophet (peace be upon him ) , true Islam existed
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Do u think true Christianity exists now a days ? If we see how Chrisitans forgot the command of their Lord : turn other cheek & how his followers are destroying Iraq , Afghanistan instead of loving enemies , then no one should ever become or remain a Christian.
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SteveLohr
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Excellent points, seraphime. I agree. IMHO, Allah merely demands your obediance, and you must comply. In contrast, God wants us to love him. I think of it this way: The only thing in the universe that God doesn’t own is my free will, because He gave it to me. The only way for Him to get it, is for me to freely give it. That’s (IMHO) is why the Book of Songs is in the Bible. God wants to have a loving relationship with us. This makes sense, if you believe that man was made in God’s image. (Gen 1: 27).
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elwill
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your saying is fair enough
but it’s more convincing to me to get to paradise by my deeds , not by the name of religion written in my I.D
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sedonaman
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You bring up an interesting point here. Gilchrist addresses it thus:
And Islam teaches that you cannot know Allah’s nature, only his will, that is to say therefore, you cannot know Allah personally.
Just my two cents.
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dolphinlove
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The only beautiful thing about islam is it makes Christians see how truthful the bible really is and how incorrect and wrong the quran is!
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imperial
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:extrahappy: l love it
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