Catholic Considering Islam

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yes , it’s a good point . I met 2/3 gay Christians online. They don’t think they are sinners ; they think Jesus (pbuh) told people not to punish the sinner lady , it means no one should tell anyone that s/he is committing a sin or they must be punished etc.

Yes, and muslim martyrs think what? They kill innocent people in the name of Allah, even saying his name until the moment of their death. “The sinner lady” you speak of was not punished because her sins were forgiven in that moment by Christ. He is God and she was forgiven so there was no need to punish her any further. At that point she was free of sin and “cleaner” than they were so sinners could not punish the saved.

Also , some believe because of Jesus (pbuh) , they won’t get any punishment on the final day.
I guess what you are talking about is forgiveness of sins. In that case, yes we believe we are forgiven if we ask for forgiveness from the Father. It would be sad to live a life in sin and not have a way to be forgiven. We call that Hell.

Peace Be With You

~HC
 
I guess what you are talking about is forgiveness of sins. In that case, yes we believe we are forgiven if we ask for forgiveness from the Father. It would be sad to live a life in sin and not have a way to be forgiven. We call that Hell.

Peace Be With You

~HC
Maybe the Muslims question our sincere repentence for sin. They need an outward sign since that is what Islam is all about - ‘the show’.

Well, it is between God and the sinner. And if the sinner is not repentant, and is just making excuses or for whatever reason is not repentent then it is between God and that sinner.

It is not for us to judge. In Islam, Muslims set themselves up as judge, jury and too often - executioner :eek:!

But it is hard for humans to be so perfect and not to judge others. But, in Christianity we do not judge so harshly that we put sinners to death just because they sinned. For example, a sin that Muslims puts people to death is the sin of ‘coveting your neighbors wife’ (the 9th commandment). That is a grave sin, but it is up to God to punish that person, or those persons, not us. They are not whipped and/or killed.

Or the killing of gays. We do not put them to death. It is for God to judge them, not us.

These are just two examples of what I am trying to say.
 
i think that christians dial with God from the second point only ignoring the first one
that’s why christians can disobey the teaching of thier religion without feel of fear or guilt

Really?
I am in fear of the Father, everyday! I live in the goodness of him!

In our community, there are drugs and drug lords , there are guys who say our girls are dogs! Yet they all want to convert these dogs to islam?
So does that mean Islam is taking away the filth of western society and converting the filfth to Islam?
These drug lords know no mercy , know no God , know no respect of whomever they come across!
Yet they are all ISLAMIC!
Gangs, rapists and drug lords!
All under the influence of Islam!
They show no guilt , they show no muslim humility!:eek:
 
Those who are weak in their Catholic faith are best served by not exposing themselves to various heresies or movements.

Stop looking at Islam and the Koran and start doing things like reading the Bible, the biography of St Patrick, some St. Francis de Sales or St. John of the Cross.

And if you want to see good examples of faith, take a look at a convent or monastery. One cannot judge truth by how deveoted some of the followers are. If that was the case, then Jim Jones, who lead nearly 1,000 people to commit suicide, or the leader of the Heaven’s Gate cult who lead three dozed people to suicide must be on the right path.

The Devil attacks the truth and some will fall away. He helps to prop up false religions and teachings.
 
Those who are weak in their Catholic faith are best served by not exposing themselves to various heresies or movements.

Stop looking at Islam and the Koran and start doing things like reading the Bible, the biography of St Patrick, some St. Francis de Sales or St. John of the Cross.
How about the Catechism for openers?
The Devil attacks the truth and some will fall away. He helps to prop up false religions and teachings.
Some seed falls on good ground, some on dry ground, and some on rocky ground.
 
I don’t think I will ever understand the attraction of Islam. There is no Christ there. Islam is all the beauty of the meal with none of the food.
 
I don’t think I will ever understand the attraction of Islam. There is no Christ there. Islam is all the beauty of the meal with none of the food.
As a matter of fact there is Christ in Islam. Without the nagging confusion of having to worship a human being.
 
No. There is someone who you call Isa who is subordinate in importance to Muhammad, who is born of a virgin for no particular reason, who is not the Son of God, who was not crucified, who did not die on the cross and rise again on the third day, and who is certainly not the Lord and Savior all mankind. This is not the Christ I worship with NO confusion whatsoever. This is someone else, unique to Islam.
 
No. There is someone who you call Isa who is subordinate in importance to Muhammad, who is born of a virgin for no particular reason, who is not the Son of God, who was not crucified, who did not die on the cross and rise again on the third day, and who is certainly not the Lord and Savior all mankind. This is not the Christ I worship with NO confusion whatsoever. This is someone else, unique to Islam.
There is a man called Jesus Christ who never told his followers to worship him, who will return at the end of times, and clarify that particular point. Maybe we will be alive that day, and you will have a choice to believe in him correctly.
 
i think that christians dial with God from the second point only ignoring the first one
that’s why christians can disobey the teaching of thier religion without feel of fear or guilt

Really?
I am in fear of the Father, everyday! I live in the goodness of him!

In our community, there are drugs and drug lords , there are guys who say our girls are dogs! Yet they all want to convert these dogs to islam?
So does that mean Islam is taking away the filth of western society and converting the filfth to Islam?
These drug lords know no mercy , know no God , know no respect of whomever they come across!
Yet they are all ISLAMIC!
Gangs, rapists and drug lords!
All under the influence of Islam!
They show no guilt , they show no muslim humility!:eek:
These guys remind me of the leader of the Abu Sayaff who our military and the Philippino military all helped to kill.

Here is a quote from one of the members of the Abu Sayaff (I got this from a TV special about this ordeal the militarys went through to catch this psychopath)
a quote from one of he kidnappers that belonged to Abu Sayaff about Sabaya, the (now dead) leader of the Abu Sayaff, ‘You know Sabaya? Sabaya is a really bad guy. There is nothing good about Sabaya. Sabaya has to be in jihad because it is the only way for him to get into heaven is for him to die in holy war.’
 
There is a man called Jesus Christ who never told his followers to worship him, who will return at the end of times, and clarify that particular point. Maybe we will be alive that day, and you will have a choice to believe in him correctly.
Again, this is not the Jesus Christ of Christianity whom we worship. Jesus Christ did tell us He is God and I believe Him!!
 
Sister Amy, you are now only posting more evidence that the Islamic Isa and Jesus Christ, the Lord of the World, The Only True Son of God, are not the same person. Thanks.
 
Sister Amy, you are now only posting more evidence that the Islamic Isa and Jesus Christ, the Lord of the World, The Only True Son of God, are not the same person. Thanks.
Let me say to you that my Lord, the Lord of the Worlds, never died. He does not beget, and is not begotten, and there is nothing equivalent to Him.
 
Alright. I am not really interested in having a “he said, she said” type of conversation with you, Sister Amy. You believe that your religion has Christ, and I do not. I’m pretty much out of the energy needed to drag this out for several pages, so I’m done here.
 
I have a feeling that this thread is going disintegrate into a fury of arguments and harsh words but I pray not…

I became Catholic in 2007 after a year of RCIA. I have struggled to be the best Catholic I could be, I studied theology like crazy, I went to Mass, and I followed God.

I have to say that I am impressed with Islam, very very impressed. The Qur’an is like a beautiful ray of light. Muhammad (pbuh) is a wonderful example. The Muslims I know follow Christ’s example better than most Catholics, they are more peaceful and loving than I thought possible. Their devotion to God is absolute. And the evidence for Islam is piling up for me. I know many here have negative opinions about Islam, Muslims, and the Prophet Muhammad and I did too once but now that I have put a lot of time into studying the religion and talking to many people, I have discovered the true Islam. True Islam is not the fanatical religion of the media nor is it a woman-hating, gun-toting, violent mockery of religion as I had been taught. It very well might be the most peaceful faith on earth. God is in Islam, I can’t deny it any longer. Believe me I’ve tried!
I love the Church, but God has led me to Her and God may be leading me to Islam. I am willing to put everything else aside to follow God where He wills, even if I must put aside my beloved Mother Church. I will submit to God in all things, He will lead me where He wills.

I hesitate to ask…thoughts?

please keep it civil

pax vobiscum
Irish
out of the frying pan into the fire huh 😃

I rarely recommend drugs to anyone … but I’m starting to think I should make a rare exception to my policy. However, since you seem so confused … perhaps I can help?

Have you ever stopped to think it’s all nonsense, and the only way to find yourself is to actually look at yourself and honestly examine yourself?

But I am curious about the 72 virgin thing … is there any way we can get an advance on our pay (you know … like before we die). :confused:
 
There is a man called Jesus Christ who never told his followers to worship him, who will return at the end of times, and clarify that particular point. Maybe we will be alive that day, and you will have a choice to believe in him correctly.
Sorry, you are simply wrong on whether Christ claimed divinity. The Gospel accounts clearly show it:

First, The theory that Jesus didn’t claim to be God does not account for the prophecies or the resurrection.

Second, examination of the sayings and acts of Jesus clearly show he is claiming divine status. For instance Jesus referred to himself as “The Son of Man,” in contrast to “a son of man” indicating the divinity of the title. The context of his usage shows He intended it to have divine implications. See Mark 2:10. See also Mark 2:28 (Jesus says the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath).

Third, there is Implicit Christology in the Gospels. Jesus always prayed to God using the familiar term “Abba” This would have been inconceivable to a Jew, who could not even say the name of God. The parables told by Jesus also impliedly establish His divine status. See The parable of the wicked tenants (Mark 12:1-9).

Further, Jesus claimed to act with divine authority. Jesus contrasted His teachings with those of the divinely given Mosaic Law. He would begin by saying “You have heard it said” and then contrast it with “But I say to you…” (Matt 7:28-29). Jesus adjusted the Law, in divorce (Matt 5:31-32, Mark 10:2-12). Jesus cast out demons using divine authority and using this as proof that the Kingdom of God had come. (Luke 11:20). Jesus forgave sins, which was a prerogative only of God. Jesus taught that his miracles were the “seal of authenticity” on his message. “The works which the Father has given Me to accomplish, the very works that I do, bear witness of Me, that the Father has sent Me” (John 5:36). See also John 10:37-38. Jesus believed himself able to perform miracles.
Other prophets had performed miracles, but only by praying for them to be done. Jesus, in contrast, orders them to be done in His name. Jesus claimed to determine the eternal destiny of people. (Luke 12:8-9).

Of note, the Jews at the time understood that Jesus was making divine claims. That’s why they executed him.

Further, the history of the Church clearly is inexplicable, outside Jesus making divine claims for himself. Within 20 years of his death, a full blown Christology proclaiming Jesus as God incarnate existed. This is inexplicable, especially among monotheistic Jews, unless Jesus made these claims himself. So does the earliest sermon and the earliest account of martyrdom. Paul’s letters, written between 49 and 65 A.D., exhibit the same fully-evolved Christology; logically, he must have gotten it from sometime earlier than 49 A.D. See Rom. 1:3-4; 1 Cor. 11:23; Col. 1:15-16; Phil. 2:6-11; 1 Tim. 3:16; 2 Tim. 2:8
Further supporting this, the earliest pagan report of the church’s activities indicates that Jesus was worshipped as Lord. Additionally, contemporary opponents of early Christianity never claimed that Jesus didn’t claim divine status. For instance, Celsus said that Jesus called Himself the Son of God, but wrongly.

In summary, there is ample evidence in the Gospels to support the Christian view that Jesus claimed divine status. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

Regards,
 
Might I chime it with some relevant (name removed by moderator)ut (sorry for the earlier trolling remark folks). Islam (more specifically Muhammad) did teach the gospels are the word of god. However, the gospels clearly claim Jesus is god (or a manifestation of god). So Muhammad was certainly wrong in his interpretation of the New Testament gospels. Moreover, Muhammad taught Jesus never actually died … while the gospels that he himself taught are the inspired word of god certainly DO teach that Jesus died (and of course was resurrected).

Moreover, I read someone say Muhammad led such a great and pious life. Ummmm … he betrothed a six year old child (and immediately began having sex with her). We call that a pedophile, not a prophet. Islam is by far the most convoluted religion on earth (there’s not even a close second). Anyone considering this religion either has some serious psychological issues or is truly ignorant of the facts. I don’t care how nice a few Muslims you might have met are. See how nice they become if you decide their religion is nonsense? At least Christians are tempered by Western ideals …
 
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