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sedonaman
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The word “tenant” [or “tenants”] is not in the Qur’an. So the parable of the tenants can’t be in the Qur’an.
By the way …
The word “corn” appears in the Qur’an in a number of places. Corn is a New World plant that was unknown to the Old World until after Columbus. So what does the Qur’an mean when it says “corn”?
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planten
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**sedonaman, that was a parable presented by Jesus to his followers.
The Parable of the Tenants
33"Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard**. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. 34When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.
35"The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.
38"But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
40"Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?"
41"He will bring those wretches to a wretched end," they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”
42Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures:
" ‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone[h];
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’*?
43"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."[j]
45When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet*.
In this parable, the vineyard is the world. Farmers are the mankind. The tax or collection of the fruit is decency, godliness, piety and worship of God. Servants are the prophets of God who came to mankind from time to time. The son of God is Jesus himself (who is talking) whom the farmers put on the cross.
Please understand that this is a parable only. All things mentioned in it are metaphorical (not real). So son is also not real. It can be understood as one who is the beloved of God.
This parable was spoken by Jesus to his followers. It need not be in the Quran. It is not necessary that everything that Jesus said should be in the Quran.
** I hope somebody will reply to your problem of the corn.**
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cathopologist
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What’s wrong with the ‘corn’?
planten, i thought you always had all the answers?
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Hadi
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Corn !!
yes , the Quran mentioned corn thousands years before Columbus.(M.Asad) THE PARABLE of those who spend their possessions for the sake of God is that of a **grain **out of which grow seven ears, in every ear a hundred grains: for God grants manifold increase unto whom He wills; and God is infinite, all-knowing.
now another funny word…ear …
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thu.../istockphoto_6794142-wheat-ears-and-grain.jpg
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cathopologist
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And this proves Muslims were the first to land in MesoAmerica, right?Corn !!
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dzheremi
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Oh, wow…the Qur’an mentioned “corn”…that’s amazing…what a miracle…I guess I’ll go convert now… 
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jakasaki
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Corn as we know it is really called Maiz or Maize.
And it was not brought to the old world until about the 16th and 17th century. When we see corn in the Quran we should know that it is really MILLET. Not corn.
Well the Arabic is dhuratun. It means millet. But maize and millet are related.
The plants look similar but corn puts out cobs on the sides and millet puts out a heads of small grains at the top (it can put out heads of grain successively).
So somewhere along the line someone decided to call maize dhuratun too after it was brought to the old world (after all they are related).
Secondly all of those contexts mentioned don’t mention corn, which is wierd. 2:61 doesn’t meantion any grain in that context.2:261 mentions habbatun, which is any grain and even includes beans.
In chapter 12:43 and 46 what is mentioned is sunbulatun (pronounced sumbulatun) and that word means a head of any grain (wheat, millet, barely, corn etc.). I was reading recently how wheat in Egypt in the middle east wasn’t the type of wheat we use today either.
It was called ether wheat and spelt. So up until this point I would have to say that corn is a mistranslation in these contexts.
And if we do find dhuratun we should know that that means millet and not the modern corn which is really maize.
Credit - Islamic site free-minds.org
And it was not brought to the old world until about the 16th and 17th century. When we see corn in the Quran we should know that it is really MILLET. Not corn.
Well the Arabic is dhuratun. It means millet. But maize and millet are related.
The plants look similar but corn puts out cobs on the sides and millet puts out a heads of small grains at the top (it can put out heads of grain successively).
So somewhere along the line someone decided to call maize dhuratun too after it was brought to the old world (after all they are related).
Secondly all of those contexts mentioned don’t mention corn, which is wierd. 2:61 doesn’t meantion any grain in that context.2:261 mentions habbatun, which is any grain and even includes beans.
In chapter 12:43 and 46 what is mentioned is sunbulatun (pronounced sumbulatun) and that word means a head of any grain (wheat, millet, barely, corn etc.). I was reading recently how wheat in Egypt in the middle east wasn’t the type of wheat we use today either.
It was called ether wheat and spelt. So up until this point I would have to say that corn is a mistranslation in these contexts.
And if we do find dhuratun we should know that that means millet and not the modern corn which is really maize.
Credit - Islamic site free-minds.org
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cathopologist
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Psst!, someone should tell Hadi ‘corn’ is also mentioned in the old English Bibles, but not in the literal sense. You see, ‘corn’ in the Bible meant grain - any kind of grain - not maize. When the early settlers to America arrived, they first called it ‘Indian corn’ but that (word: Indian) was eventually dropped. Perhaps someone should tell Hadi to convert now?Oh, wow…the Qur’an mentioned “corn”…that’s amazing…what a miracle…I guess I’ll go convert now…
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sedonaman
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How could that be? Mohammed died in 632 AD, and Columbus’ voyage was in 1492 AD, only 860 years later, not “thousands”.
In any event, if the Old World didn’t know about corn until after Columbus, how would the listeners of that parable know what the Qur’an meant by “corn”? [And it does say “corn”.]
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sedonaman
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But waitaminnit! planten says that the word “sword” doesn’t appear in the Qur’an, therefore there can’t be any verses of the sword. So “corn” must mean literally “corn” … and not grain.Psst!, someone should tell Hadi ‘corn’ is also mentioned in the old English Bibles, but not in the literal sense. You see, ‘corn’ in the Bible meant grain - any kind of grain - not maize. When the early settlers to America arrived, they first called it ‘Indian corn’ but that (word: Indian) was eventually dropped. Perhaps someone should tell Hadi to convert now?
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jakasaki
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yes, they would “smite at their necks” with corn husks and stalks. 
From what I can find, there is only two verses in the koran that states the word “sword”…
(Then he said): Bring them back to me, and fell to slashing (with his **sword **their) legs and necks.
( سورة ص , Sad, Chapter #38, Verse #33)
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planten
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**sedonaman, if you mean Maize = corn then you are mistaken. The Quran means any seed.
But while writing this post, I looked back and found that jakasaki had already discussed it very well**.
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cathopologist
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That must have led to very itchy and irritated skin on their necks.
Now i know why its called the ‘Religion of Peace’.
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sedonaman
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So? A metaphor is a figure of speech in which a word or phrase that ordinarily designates one thing is used to designate another. The people mentioned in the parable were not “real”, but those they represent are. Otherwise there would have been no reason for the parable.
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jakasaki
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It’s remarkable that first you are told
and now… out of nowhere … come the knowledgeable guru about corn in the koran is/means a “seed”.
Never a dull moment on CAF…
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sedonaman
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How can you interpret the Qur’an literally on one hand and figuratively on the other?
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sedonaman
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, LMAO!
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elwill
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hahahahahahahaThat must have led to very itchy and irritated skin on their necks.
i beg you to tell me what these verses are talking about , enlighten me ( you or jakasaki) ?
"thier necks " , refere to what ? do you know ?
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elwill
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the wrong with planten is that the word corn never mentioned in arabic quran , may be he isn’t fluent in arabic and that’s why he honestly hoped if anyone else replied to youWhat’s wrong with the ‘corn’?
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