Catholic converts to Orthodox

[Onthisrock84]

The Muratorian Fragment also says the Apocalypse of Peter is scripture . Just saying it doesn’t have all authority.

 

[steve-b]

The Muratorian Fragment also says the Apocalypse of Peter is scripture . Just saying it doesn’t have all authority.

The canon was a development over time. It was finalized in 381 at the council of Rome . The canon did not change from that time.

 

[pacloc]

You don’t know anything about what I’ve read yet you claim that somehow your poor isolation of quotes proves that the RCC is not the one that is guilty of heresy. When I said commentaries, I did mean the Fathers writings, they wrote many commentaries if you ever actually try to read what the Fathers wrote instead of using poor isolation of quotes from the Fathers. I can let you know what Church Father writings I have read from cover to cover and compare them to what you have read if we need to.

 

[steve-b]

You don’t know anything about what I’ve read yet you claim that somehow your poor isolation of quotes proves that the RCC is not the one that is guilty of heresy.

I responded to what you wrote.

pacloc:

When I said commentaries, I did mean the Fathers writings, they wrote many commentaries if you ever actually try to read what the Fathers wrote instead of using poor isolation of quotes from the Fathers. I can let you know what Church Father writings I have read from cover to cover and compare them to what you have read if we need to.

I gave links to the entire text from the Church Father I quoted. I didn’t isolate or quote out of context. I noticed you didn’t bother to open up any text . So your criticism falls flat

 

[pacloc]

I don’t think they have something that allows me to block you. What am I supposed to say ooops about? You said I should read the Church Fathers instead of Commentaries. I said the commentaries that I was talking about were Commentaries written by the Church Fathers. I don’t understand what you don’t get.

 

[steve-b]

What do you think about the whole theology and practices surrounding marriage? By that I’m basically referring to the practice of annulments and the use of NFP over artificial birth control. Annulments are foreign to Eastern thinking yet they are forced on the Eastern Catholics. As for birth control…well I like the whole practice of oikonomia quite a lot…I’ll just leave it at that lol!

"Orthodox canon law can permit a second and even a third marriage “in economia”, but strictly forbids a fourth. In theory divorce is only recognized in the case of adultery, but in practise is also recognised in light of other reasons. There is a list of causes of divorce acceptable to the Orthodox Church. In practise the bishops sometimes apply “economia” in a liberal way. By the way, divorce and remarriage are only permitted in the context of “economia”, that is, out of pastoral care, out of understanding for weakness. A second or third marriage will always be a deviation from the “ideal and unique marriage”, but often a fresh opportunity[26] to correct a mistake”.[27]

From Marriage, Divorce and Remarriage in the Orthodox Church: Economia and Pastoral Guidance

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Re: NFP and contraception Birth Control and Contraception - OrthodoxWiki

 

[Rohzek]

I converted from Catholicism. The history of the papacy and its bold claims appeared flimsy to me and also seemed to shift in practice and its claims. Furthermore, from an institutional perspective, despite some early evidence of claims of authority coming from Rome, there remains very little evidence of it actually executing that alleged authority prior to the High Middle Ages. I imagine this post will garner many replies fill with copypasta quotes. I am not interested in debating the matter. I am merely answering the OP.

Since converting it has been pretty chill and nice.

 

[ziapueblo]

Says who? Show me a Church document properly referenced, that permits a Catholic to become an Eastern Orthodox of some type, with no consequences to them.

Greetings,

Have you ever read the Balamand Document? First off, it recognizes that the Catholic and Orthodox are Sister Churches (paragraph 14). Second, the document explicitly states that the Orthodox Churches are fully sufficient to ensure the salvation of their adherents, and which prohibits proselytization of the Orthodox.

Now, I’m no expert on the matter, but if one converts to Orthodoxy to the Catholic Church or visa versa, salvation is not an issue.

It’s a great read if you get the chance!

My 2 cents,
ZP

 

[steve-b]

steve-b:

Says who? Show me a Church document properly referenced, that permits a Catholic to become an Eastern Orthodox of some type, with no consequences to them.

Greetings,

Have you ever read the Balamand Document? First off, it recognizes that the Catholic and Orthodox are Sister Churches (paragraph 14).

For clarification, Please read this following doc in full… Ecumenical speak may have gotten way ahead of itself. http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...on_cfaith_doc_20000630_chiese-sorelle_en.html

ziapueblo:

Second, the document explicitly states that the Orthodox Churches are fully sufficient to ensure the salvation of their adherents, and which prohibits proselytization of the Orthodox.

Now, I’m no expert on the matter, but if one converts to Orthodoxy to the Catholic Church or visa versa, salvation is not an issue.

It’s a great read if you get the chance!

My 2 cents,
ZP

I’ve read it. Most people miss the opening paragraphs.

[emphasis mine]

“We publish here two items: 1) The Informative Communiqué from the meeting of the seventh plenary session of the joint international commission for theological dialogue between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church (Balamand, Lebanon, June 17-24, 1993); 2) the document of the joint dialogue commission on the theme: “Uniatism, method of union of the past, and the present search for full communion”.
_As with all the results of the joint dialogue commissions, this common document belongs to the responsibility of the Commission itself, until the competent organs of the Catholic Church and of the Orthodox Churches express their judgement in regard to it.”_

They are

• saying this is an ongoing dialogue. NOT set in stone.
• it belongs to the commission until settled
• also, It does NOT provide switching between Churches

I presented the other link, from year 2000, to bring the Balamand Doc up to date in it’s different phrases that get taken too far.,.

 

[JW55]

I would agree with you to some degree in regard to evangelizing and historically there is a case for nationalism interfering with this process. However, this is changing and a large percentage of the growth of Orthodoxy in the US is due to converts. Many churches are primarily made up of converts. For instance there have been a large number who have left the Episcopalian church for Orthodoxy due to the liberalization it has undergone in regard to issue of social morality.

 

[alice24]

This is in some bigger german cities the case. I know an orthodox parish in berlin where you find almost as many converts as born orthodox believers.

 

[Masihi]

I’m not a Catholic convert to Orthodoxy, but I’m a former Muslim who has taken belief in the One Holy, Apostolic, Catholic, Orthodox Church. I hope to officially convert when I’m able to. I considered becoming an Eastern Catholic, but to me the claims of the Catholic Church seemed to unbelievable to be true, the claims of the Pope seem to elevate him to semi divinity. The doctrine of Papal Infallibility and the fact the practices of the Catholic Church get reformed every few centuries here and there, really stopped me from considering converting.

 

[Augustinian]

Anyone here who converted from RCC to the Orthodox Church? I’m wondering what were your reasons for doing so and how has it changed your life?

George Constanza was Catholic and converted to impress a Latvian Orthodox gal he like.

 

[Catholicwife32]

I haven’t jumped ship, but I’m attracted to Eastern Orthodoxy because of the liturgy. Theologically, I don’t think I could become convinced that the Orthodox Church is the one true Church and everyone outside is outside the Church. I like what the Catechism today says about the wounds to Christian unity and the role of the Church in salvation. There are Catholics who interpret that passage of the Catechism more restrictively than I do. Overall, I have a lot of hope for the world. What I long for is better liturgy.

 

[dochawk]

Eastern Catholics have the same liturgy and theology as the Orthodox. Look for one in your area (masstimes will probably list it).

hawk

 

[Angel_Gabriel]

the practices of the Catholic Church get reformed every few centuries here and there,

Can you expound on this please? Orthodoxy has experienced this as well…kneeling during the consecration comes to mind.

 

[Masihi]

Vatican l and ll are enough proof, in the Antiochian Church we stand during concentration.

 

[Angel_Gabriel]

Well, the Antiochian and the Greek Churches in my city both kneel…the only one that stands is the OCA church. Honestly that is something that bothers me…the Orthodox are so much for keeping to the councils and the canons yet here we see something being ignored…no kneeling on Sundays. hmmmm…

What in Vatican 1 changed actual practices? ( By practices, I’m assuming you are referring to disciplines and not doctrine. ) Now, Vatican 2…well yes that was definitely full of non doctrinal changes.

 

[SnowRose]

Wasn’t Vatican I the council with the Marian dogma and the infallible Pope?
I’d call those things ’changes.’

 

[Angel_Gabriel]

Yes, doctrinal changes. I think he was referring to practices as well…AFAIK V1 changed no practices…someone correct me if I’m wrong…I’m no canon lawyer or history buff lol!