Catholic Converts to Protestantism

[mcq72]

We are temples of the Holy Spirit. Yes. And it is true that Jesus is present with us, always, but he is present in a very special and unique way in the tabernacles of the Catholic church and no where else.

The latter is very Old Covenant, that has been fulfilled.

For sure He is still present in “the temple”, in our churches, but because He is present where two or more are gathered in His name, and inhabiting the praises of His people, and when we remember Him, bringing Him to the present moment.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

He is present where two or more are gathered in His name, and inhabiting the praises of His people,

This is all true but Jesus is present Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity only in the tabernacles in the Catholic church.

The highest praise, the highest worship a man can offer to God is sacrifice and specifically the Sacrifice of the Mass only found in a Catholic church.

 

[mcq72]

This is all true but Jesus is present Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity only in the tabernacles in the Catholic church.

The highest praise, the highest worship a man can offer to God is sacrifice and specifically the Sacrifice of the Mass only found in a Catholic church.

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Again the Spirit of Christ indwells us also.

Yes Christ is our ultimate propitiation. We do not re offer to God what He has offered to us, but we receive and give praise and thanksgiving forever. Eucharist in Greek is not re-offer or re present but ''thanksgiving".

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Yes, we receive the Holy Spirit at baptism and are made adopted sons and daughters of God, so yes the Holy Spirit lives in us.

We do not re offer to God what He has offered to us, but we receive and give praise and thanksgiving forever. Eucharist in Greek is not re-offer or re present but ''thanksgiving".

yes and no.

by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are sanctified (Hebrews 10:14). that is, by the unique sacrifice of the cross. ([Catechism of the Catholic church 1544]

And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all” (Hebrews 10:10). [CCC 606]

The Mass is the one sacrifice:

The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross, because it is its memorial and because it applies its fruit:

[Christ], our Lord and God, was once and for all to offer himself to God the Father by his death on the altar of the cross, to accomplish there an everlasting redemption. But because his priesthood was not to end with his death, at the Last Supper “on the night when he was betrayed,” [he wanted] to leave to his beloved spouse the Church a visible sacrifice (as the nature of man demands) by which the bloody sacrifice which he was to accomplish once for all on the cross would be re-presented, its memory perpetuated until the end of the world, and its salutary power be applied to the forgiveness of the sins we daily commit.

 

[mcq72]

Yes, we receive the Holy Spirit at baptism and are made adopted sons and daughters of God, so yes the Holy Spirit lives in us.

LOL…it seems you refrain from saying Jesus , His Spirit, abides in us also. it is not just the Holy Spirit.

A bit like your communion. You partake of one element and you receive the benefits of both ( the bread and wine, the body and blood received form just the bread).

We fellowship inwardly with the Trinity.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

LOL…it seems you refrain from saying Jesus

I’m not purposely avoiding saying Jesus. In my earlier post, I did say that He is present with us always. It is just that He is present with us in a very special way in the tabernacles of the Catholic church.

 

[mcq72]

to leave to his beloved spouse the Church a visible sacrifice (as the nature of man demands)

Well, mans carnal nature reacts to true guilt with a sacrifice of our own devices, as in the garden and leaf coverings. God in His providence supplies a true sacrifice, a Lamb. Once healed and seated in heavenly places we need not crave such a thing, but apply, recall, remember the Lamb that healed us. We no longer need to pray “Lord , may you find this gift acceptable” but thank you ( we already know it is acceptable.

A sacrifice is a sacrifice. A remembrance is a remembrance, of the last sacrifice, which does not require that old priesthood, for we are all priests after Melchizadek.

No where is it in scripture that this ceremony, this remembrance, could only be done by apostles or appointed presbyters.

 

[mcq72]

I’m not purposely avoiding saying Jesus. In my earlier post, I did say that He is present with us always. It is just that He is present with us in a very special way in the tabernacles of the Catholic church.

Jesus “with us” is not saying Jesus “in us”…I am saying Jesusin us, as a pure monstrance then that we are, with all due respect to your other special way at communion.

 

[MagdalenaRita]

Jesus “with us” is not saying Jesus “in us”…I am saying Jesus in us ,

So, I think what you are saying or hinting at is “we ask Jesus into our hearts” and He lives in us and we are saved.

Thing is, I am an not a protestant. I was in protestant/evangelical churches for many years, but God led me home to His Church. The one, true Church that He gifted to us. The Catholic church has the deposit of faith, divine revelation and authority from Christ to understand and interpret Scripture. It was the Catholic church through the Holy Spirit that decided what books would be in the Bible, so I trust and know that God who began that work will complete it by leading the Church in interpreting Scripture.

This same Church has been led by God to know and understand what happens in the Sacrifice of the Mass. The Eucharist is the true Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ and is the ONE sacrifice of the cross. Not another sacrifice but the one sacrifice of Christ. It is a re-presenting of the ONE sacrifice and this teaching of the Church given to us by Christ, I fully believe. I have no need to turn back.

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts.

God bless.

 

[mcq72]

So, I think what you are saying or hinting at is “we ask Jesus into our hearts” and He lives in us and we are saved.

Yes and no…I was alluding more to the scriptural text that I gave and alluded to others, refraining from just presenting Protestant explanations like the above, though very true with scriptural foundations.

Apparently such verbiage, of Jesus in our hearts, is not without some Catholics also uttering.

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even to the going down, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place there is sacrifice, and there is offered to my name a clean oblation: for my name is great among the Gentiles, saith the Lord of hosts.

Yes Malachi. Early fathers did speak of a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving.

 

[Justin_Mary]

I am saying Jesus in us , as a pure monstrance then that we are, with all due respect to your other special way at communion.

That is the goal.

No where is it in scripture that this ceremony, this remembrance, could only be done by apostles or appointed presbyters.

Then you’re not reading it right. The New is concealed in the Old. The Old is revealed in the New.

Yes Malachi. Early fathers did speak of a sacrifice of praise and thanksgiv

They also celebrated the Mass

 

[Dhc8_Type]

Sounds like my pastor, was a catholic priest who met a woman and the pull to be married lead him to become a Lutheran minister.

 

[mcq72]

They also celebrated the Mass

Yes of course but as a celebration.

Then you’re not reading it right. The New is concealed in the Old. The Old is revealed in the New.

Yes, that we are finally all a royal priesthood, that we can all boldly go into the Holy of Holies, by the priesthood and blood of Christ.

Paul speaks of the weakness and if I recall correctly, the end of the heirus priest (sacrificing priest). That is why in NT we have shifted office names to presbyter, or elder. Shepherds, teachers yes but not offering up sacrifices for the people, nor is it even hinted that they can be only ones re presenting the Last Supper, that only they ( presbyter) can represent Christ.

 

[Justin_Mary]

Yes, that we are finally all a royal priesthood, that we can all boldly go into the Holy of Holies, by the priesthood and blood of Christ.

Paul speaks of the weakness and if I recall correctly, the end of the heirus priest (sacrificing priest). That is why in NT we have shifted office names to presbyter, or elder. Shepherds, teachers yes but not offering up sacrifices for the people, nor is it even hinted that they can be only ones re presenting the Last Supper, that only they ( presbyter) can represent Christ.

You see, there was this guy named Philip who was told by an angel to head south on a desert road. He came across an Ethiopian reading the prophet Isaiah. Philip asked if he understood what was being read. The Ethiopian replied, “How can I unless someone instructs me?”

So I see how you believe what you do. But I believe it’s error based on error.

I believe we are priests, prophets, & kings in Christ. & I do believe there is a ministerial priesthood. A priesthood instituted by Christ & carried on by the Apostle & their successors the Bishops of the Catholic & Orthodox Church.

In my understanding of sacred scripture it doesn’t make sense that God would instruct His people in the way of sacrifice since the time of Cain & Able to do away with it altogether.

If He were to return within the life time of the Apostles, maybe. But two thousand years later… nah, there’s more to it than your understanding.

 

[HopkinsReb]

No where is it in scripture that this ceremony, this remembrance, could only be done by apostles or appointed presbyters.

Not to beat a dead horse, but where does it say in scripture that doctrine must be found in scripture?

 

[mcq72]

You see, there was this guy named Philip

That we are a royal priesthood does not do away with preaching folks into the kingdom. Besides, the eunuch was not even born again yet, not a priest yet. Even so , we are to be discipled, that we need teachers, even shepherds ( which ministry has nothing to do with sacrifices).

In my understanding of sacred scripture it doesn’t make sense that God would instruct His people in the way of sacrifice since the time of Cain & Able to do away with it altogether.

Well Hebrews sheds some light here. To remember thru communion is sufficient enough, not requiring an actual priest, as if we were actually sacrificing again, which we are not. A president over the service yes, even a presbyter, but not a heirus priest.

 

[mcq72]

Not to beat a dead horse, but where does it say in scripture that doctrine must be found in scripture?

“Those of you knowledgeable of the Lord’s precepts, keep them, as many as are written.” Barnabus.

But of course that is not scripture.

Yet Paul says scripture is sufficient to that end.

But of course one might say he meant OT.

Yes a dead horse from going in circles lol