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Such terms vary by culture. Democratic socialists frequently call each other “brother”. The early Christians called each other brother and sister. In the Mediterranean culture, that was normal.
I’ve also heard African-Americans calling each other “brother” and “sister” who aren’t biologically related, not just close friends, but casual work acquaintances. Though I haven’t ever heard any African American person calling their boyfriends or girlfriends that.

Here’s an example from En Vogue’s “Free Your Mind”, sung from the perspective of an African American woman combatting stereotypes:
I might date another race or color
Doesn’t mean I don’t like my strong black brothers
She is obviously not singing about her biological brothers, but African American men who are possible suitors.
 
It’s pretty common in my experience for women to address other women as sister and there are men who do the same. It’s meant as a friendly thing, an endearment without romantic overtones.
 
I’ve also heard African-Americans calling each other “brother” and “sister” who aren’t biologically related, not just close friends, but casual work acquaintances. Though I haven’t ever heard any African American person calling their boyfriends or girlfriends that.

Here’s an example from En Vogue’s “Free Your Mind”, sung from the perspective of an African American woman combatting stereotypes:

She is obviously not singing about her biological brothers, but African American men who are possible suitors.
We are in England, UK…so we are not African-Americans:shrug:
 
It’s pretty common in my experience for women to address other women as sister and there are men who do the same. It’s meant as a friendly thing, an endearment without romantic overtones.
I’m in England UK and have never seen that practise here. He does not address other women in that way and he only uses for me in private messages/conversations. In public, he refers to me by my name. We have only known each other a week, but he has expressed a dating interest in me.
 
It’s pretty common in my experience for women to address other women as sister and there are men who do the same. It’s meant as a friendly thing, an endearment without romantic overtones.
Exactly. Not something someone would say to someone they are dating, or want to date. :rolleyes:
 
Each couple finds endearments that they’re comfortable with. If I posted some of the things we called each other during our engagement (or even now), you’d all be :rotfl:

Still, one week is early days. Praying for both of you! 👍
Yes…this. And the same for my wife and I. 😃

I did, and still do call my wife “my sister” (reference to the song of songs) from time to time. Though I only did that after we got to know each other a little better.
 
Yes…this. And the same for my wife and I. 😃

I did, and still do call my wife “my sister” (reference to the song of songs) from time to time. Though I only did that after we got to know each other a little better.
beautiful testimony! thanks for sharing!
 
A catholic man interested in dating a catholic girl…is it normal that he calls her sister as a term of endearment when he writes or speaks to her?

Or is this something all catholic men call catholic women in general.
Depends on the man’s friendship/relationship with the woman he is referring to. For example, if she wants to date him but he’s not interested, it is common that a man (or woman) will say in public that the other person is his sister(-in-Christ), to draw the line where he stands. Or it could be that the man or woman is not ready to get serious into dating the other person, so to make an excuse to not admit one’s feelings or not, he or she may make it a casual relationship as just a friendship. If a catholic man is interested in dating a catholic woman, he will find a way to let her know so he can see if she has mutual feelings to go forward or not. It’s not a one-way street, but always must go both ways to establish sturdy roots and compatibility.
 
Yes…this. And the same for my wife and I. 😃

I did, and still do call my wife “my sister” (reference to the song of songs) from time to time. Though I only did that after we got to know each other a little better.
That’s precious! I’ve got a close guy-friend who is more like a brother to me than anything else. We’ve established awhile back that our friendship is like St. Francis of Assisi & St. Clare of Assisi- friends, nothing more.

Yet I must confess that he’s been acting odd lately (2 months & continuing)- flirty toward me now, teasing me, sitting by me at church, hugging me more, wanting to get together & asking about my availability. We haven’t had our usual one-on-one deep conversations about vocations or about life in awhile. I’ve noticed this change of behavior in him and sense that he may be having feelings for me & I’m scared to find out what could be happening. I prefer to run from the situation by walking away from him, but it only distance him and I from talking and catching up. I’m scared to trust God in this situation, because I don’t know the outcome & exposing my feelings or afraid to ruin a great friendship. Either this friend has liked me awhile & I’m just now noticing his intentions, or my mind is playing tricks on me & I just need to face my fears from my perception and just talk to him to clear the air. Not sure why I shared this, but felt comfortable to, so oh well. Does anyone have any advice for this sticky situation?
 
Depends on the man’s friendship/relationship with the woman he is referring to. For example, if she wants to date him but he’s not interested, it is common that a man (or woman) will say in public that the other person is his sister(-in-Christ), to draw the line where he stands. Or it could be that the man or woman is not ready to get serious into dating the other person, so to make an excuse to not admit one’s feelings or not, he or she may make it a casual relationship as just a friendship. If a catholic man is interested in dating a catholic woman, he will find a way to let her know so he can see if she has mutual feelings to go forward or not. It’s not a one-way street, but always must go both ways to establish sturdy roots and compatibility.
great answer! thank you!!
 
That’s precious! I’ve got a close guy-friend who is more like a brother to me than anything else. We’ve established awhile back that our friendship is like St. Francis of Assisi & St. Clare of Assisi- friends, nothing more.

Yet I must confess that he’s been acting odd lately (2 months & continuing)- flirty toward me now, teasing me, sitting by me at church, hugging me more, wanting to get together & asking about my availability. We haven’t had our usual one-on-one deep conversations about vocations or about life in awhile. I’ve noticed this change of behavior in him and sense that he may be having feelings for me & I’m scared to find out what could be happening. I prefer to run from the situation by walking away from him, but it only distance him and I from talking and catching up. I’m scared to trust God in this situation, because I don’t know the outcome & exposing my feelings or afraid to ruin a great friendship. Either this friend has liked me awhile & I’m just now noticing his intentions, or my mind is playing tricks on me & I just need to face my fears from my perception and just talk to him to clear the air. Not sure why I shared this, but felt comfortable to, so oh well. Does anyone have any advice for this sticky situation?
Update: I ended this friendship after confronting him because I found that he’d been using me just to have someone around (carpool ride, study buddy, pretend girlfriend that would never happen, someone to be near). Although that was degrading and very selfish of him, I thank God for the wisdom and courage to stand strong, forgive this guy, and move on. There are other fish in the sea, but perhaps some of us are meant to be caught in a net and put into another location of the sea to be paired with the right fit in God’s time.
 
A catholic man interested in dating a catholic girl…is it normal that he calls her sister as a term of endearment when he writes or speaks to her?
Cultural. It’s strange to most people, but there are cultures or subcultures in which ‘brother’ or ‘sister’ is a common term of endearment among friends. There are also Christian cultures so permeated by religious references that even romantic lovers would call each other brother and sister — in a spiritual sense and perhaps because of the fact we’re all descended from Adam and Eve anyway (which technically makes everybody cousins with everybody else in a strictly temporal sense, and closer than most people would think).
Or is this something all catholic men call catholic women in general.
Nope, a rare thing, except in those rare communities where it might be the prevailing convention. Can’t say I know any, though.

I don’t want to say it’s wrong, but in the presence of worrying symptoms (anxiety, agitation etc.) I would wonder if such a person didn’t have unresolved issues in need of counselling, a bit along Freudian lines. People may be moved to actually marry a not too close cousin simply because someone who’s already you own distant family is less likely to treat you badly, be put off by you or unable and unwilling to understand you. I suppose the same is true, though in varying degrees, of any kind of endogamy (immigrant nations sticking together, bluebloods sticking together, intellectuals sticking together, creatives sticking together, others marrying within their profession or company or some other such circle). I don’t want to bring anything Freudian re: incest into the picture, but if one’s going to spend the rest of one’s life with a person, then taking precautions against that sort of thing would probably be fair (tactfully eliminating remote but worrying possibilities, rather than throwing unfounded accusations around).
 
That’s precious! I’ve got a close guy-friend who is more like a brother to me than anything else. We’ve established awhile back that our friendship is like St. Francis of Assisi & St. Clare of Assisi- friends, nothing more.

Yet I must confess that he’s been acting odd lately (2 months & continuing)- flirty toward me now, teasing me, sitting by me at church, hugging me more, wanting to get together & asking about my availability. We haven’t had our usual one-on-one deep conversations about vocations or about life in awhile. I’ve noticed this change of behavior in him and sense that he may be having feelings for me & I’m scared to find out what could be happening. I prefer to run from the situation by walking away from him, but it only distance him and I from talking and catching up. I’m scared to trust God in this situation, because I don’t know the outcome & exposing my feelings or afraid to ruin a great friendship. Either this friend has liked me awhile & I’m just now noticing his intentions, or my mind is playing tricks on me & I just need to face my fears from my perception and just talk to him to clear the air. Not sure why I shared this, but felt comfortable to, so oh well. Does anyone have any advice for this sticky situation?
There’s some wisdom in resolving those situations by proxy, like people did in the old time. It may appear a little uncourageous on the surface, but even pragmatic business negotiators who otherwise know everything there is to know about playing hardball still realize frank and direct confrontation isn’t the best option if you want to preserve a mutually beneficial partnership and continue to profit in the long term as opposed to winning the dispute but losing the business partner. This is why people avoid going to court — even if both parties can potentially agree the judge was fair and the decision was correct, it’s still hard to work together after such radical dispute resolution (relationship damage has bee done). Here, you might want to consider to very tactfully examine the situation by talking to both you and your friend and gently dissuade the friend from pursuing you romantically if he has that sort of intentions and if you don’t like the idea. Gentle dissuasion but an intermediary will always be gentler on both you and your friend than a direct rebuke between the two concerned parties. Hence it may be possible to save the friendship if you decide against sharing a romantic relationship — and friendship is much more difficult to preserve after a romantic rebuke than most people care to admit.

Word of advice, though: if you’re not immediately 99% certain you like or don’t like the idea, give it some time, some thought, sleep on it, listen to your feelings but avoid knee-jerk reactions, fears, anxieties etc., whichever way they would sway you. The reason is, you know, decide in haste, repent at leisure. 😉
 
There’s some wisdom in resolving those situations by proxy, like people did in the old time. It may appear a little uncourageous on the surface, but even pragmatic business negotiators who otherwise know everything there is to know about playing hardball still realize frank and direct confrontation isn’t the best option if you want to preserve a mutually beneficial partnership and continue to profit in the long term as opposed to winning the dispute but losing the business partner. This is why people avoid going to court — even if both parties can potentially agree the judge was fair and the decision was correct, it’s still hard to work together after such radical dispute resolution (relationship damage has bee done). Here, you might want to consider to very tactfully examine the situation by talking to both you and your friend and gently dissuade the friend from pursuing you romantically if he has that sort of intentions and if you don’t like the idea. Gentle dissuasion but an intermediary will always be gentler on both you and your friend than a direct rebuke between the two concerned parties. Hence it may be possible to save the friendship if you decide against sharing a romantic relationship — and friendship is much more difficult to preserve after a romantic rebuke than most people care to admit.

Word of advice, though: if you’re not immediately 99% certain you like or don’t like the idea, give it some time, some thought, sleep on it, listen to your feelings but avoid knee-jerk reactions, fears, anxieties etc., whichever way they would sway you. The reason is, you know, decide in haste, repent at leisure. 😉
Thank you for sharing & I understand what you mean. However, I’ve found that confronting the person face-to-face is more effective & puts things into proper perspective with reality. I shared my perspective reasonably & he gave me the excuse to remember that he’s considering priesthood. What a pathetic excuse on his part to blame me for his immature behaviors! He came to me again & again, not vise-versa. Ever since he invited me to a movie night at his formation house with other friends (2 males, 3 females) early on in that friendship & tried to cuddle beside me on the couch while him & another guy picked a sexual movie for us all to watch, I have never fully been comfortable around him…& that was a big red flag to me & my female friend then thought nothing of it. His spirituality has depth and has inspired me to be a better spiritual person, but other than that, I learned how manipulative of a person he is. My dad highly recommends that I guard myself away from him & I already have… problem is that he goes to my church, happens to attend the same spiritual activities as I do, & we mostly have the same friends, so I can’t vent about how immature he is. Instead, I talk with my parents who I admire and respect & am thankful for a small support group.
 
tried to cuddle beside me on the couch
Well, that’s as direct a statement as any. Clearly not what friends do in 99% cases.
while him & another guy picked a sexual movie for us all to watch
Neeext! Or, in other words, that is disqualifying information.
I have never fully been comfortable around him…& that was a big red flag to me
Yeah. It’s not like you’re going to start feeling comfortable around a guy just because you call it a relationship and not a friendship. You need to be able to feel at least comfortable around him if the relationship’s going to last and not make your life miserable.
 
Well, that’s as direct a statement as any. Clearly not what friends do in 99% cases.

Neeext! Or, in other words, that is disqualifying information.

Yeah. It’s not like you’re going to start feeling comfortable around a guy just because you call it a relationship and not a friendship. You need to be able to feel at least comfortable around him if the relationship’s going to last and not make your life miserable.
I’ve learned thru this experience to be upfront with my purpose/intentions of socializing with a guy who seems interested by giving me the wrong signals of friendship and trust the Holy Spirit- who provides those clear signs (aka: red flags) quickly to protect me from being manipulated. If I meet an actual quality man if it be God’s will, I’ve decided to ask for my Father’s (Jesus’) permission first and talk to Him about the situation, listen, and be obedient to trusting His will be done no matter what becomes of me and His will for my life. He knows what’s best above all and there’s a reason for everything.
 
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