Catholic Diocese of Cleveland puts churches on the market

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The Chicago archdiocese gives churches away but will not sell them. The only proviso is that the donees are not supposed to sell the churches.
 
The sad part is that a lot of those churches being sold in Cleveland are going to become parking lots.
 
Seems like a smart idea. If the Churches are being closed, then they mine as well sell them and make some money from the property. I’m sure that the Church can find something good to do with the extra money.
 
I suppose it is smart to make some money; but I find it sad to see a church building that has meant much to so many turned into a second hand clothing store or coffee shop. Razing the building and converting the property to a parking lot seems preferable to me.
 
I suppose it is smart to make some money; but I find it sad to see a church building that has meant much to so many turned into a second hand clothing store or coffee shop. Razing the building and converting the property to a parking lot seems preferable to me.
I’d prefer that a consecrated house of worship continue to be used as such. Many people, often first generation immigrants to the US, donated to the construction of these churches and they are beautiful buildings erected with love.
 
Better that they should raze the churches and sell the land.
A few months back someone posted a story about a closed church that had been sold (forget where) and subsequently turned into a brewery/restaurant with a big brewing tank right where the altar used to be.
 
We here in the Brooklyn diocese have been warned that there will be 30-40 church closings in the Fall of this year. I think this is tragic beyond words. It isn’t that there aren’t people to fill these churches. Here the problem is that only about 20% of Catholics attend weekly Mass on a regular basis. I see the loss of these churches as the loss of souls.
 
Better that they should raze the churches and sell the land.
A few months back someone posted a story about a closed church that had been sold (forget where) and subsequently turned into a brewery/restaurant with a big brewing tank right where the altar used to be.
That’s why its better to give them away – you can control how they are subsequently used.
 
this hurts, boy does this hurt, I really feel for those parishioners in closed parishes watching the infrastructure they built with their nickels and dimes. Most of them were built by working class, often 1st, 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants, communities that were the background of what was once a much larger more populous city. It is not the first time however, there was an earlier wave of church closings closer to the inner city in the 70s early 80s, some buildings had to be razed because of age and poor condition, but many more became churches of African-American communities, and others were put to use as community centers and HQs for clinics, private social service agencies and the like.

I used to work at the Western Reserve Historical Society and during my tenure helped acquire and process church records. Church history is Cleveland history, just as immigrant history, labor history etc are Cleveland history.
That’s why its better to give them away – you can control how they are subsequently used.
if it is legal, and apparently it is in Ohio, deed restrictions can be put in place at resale to prevent the properties from being put to sordid use. To my recollection we never had a Newman Center at Cleveland state in the 70s, maybe later, but there were several downtown churches easy to get to for holy days, and most of those are long gone except St John Cathedral.

Newman Center at Case Western, our first parish home in the city, is one on the block, I am sure the growing university covets that land, but I hope it does not mean there is no longer a Catholic presence on campus.
 
Newman Center at Case Western, our first parish home in the city, is one on the block, I am sure the growing university covets that land, but I hope it does not mean there is no longer a Catholic presence on campus.
According to their site,
The Newman offices are located in the Church of the Covenant which is shared with UPCaM and the Muslim Student Association.
I think our own Dwyer is also a former student there, perhaps he can shed some light on the current situation.
 
Maybe I just don’t get it but wouldn’t that be an indication to the archdiocese that their policy and strategy of winning the lost for Christ by preaching and spreading the Gospel as Jesus commanded in the Great Commission needs an overhaul? Hello, something is not working:shrug:

You see too many large churches with just the elderly going and finally when they die off, they just shut down the church. Where is the evangelistic spirit? There is X Y Z generations that need to be reached and in these times you would think that people would flock to churches to find peace and healing and hope in the Gospel message of Salvation.

I fear that because of this decline, the strategy is for the Church to become more align with the progressive elements within the Church so that the Church would appear as though it was adapting to the political, social and moral landscape of society in order to make itself appealing. So by focusing on 4% of the population, the Church begins to lose the remainder of its members.
 
In our area, there are several Islamic mosques and centers being built. And it is the same in Europe.
Can anyone tell me why is it that in Europe and the USA, the Muslims are building mosques and Islamic centers are flourishing, while the Catholic authorities are demolishing or selling off their Churches? Is this a result of the Vatican II Council or the result of something else?
 
Can anyone tell me why is it that in Europe and the USA, the Muslims are building mosques and Islamic centers are flourishing, while the Catholic authorities are demolishing or selling off their Churches? Is this a result of the Vatican II Council or the result of something else?
This is the result of demographics. The many churches were built to meet the need of a larger population of Catholics living closer in the city. As that population has moved to the suburbs, parishes there have grown, and new ones erected. But the old neighborhoods have fewer people, and since they are no longer predominantly Polish or Irish or whetever, they are less Catholic.

Islam, by contrast, is a fairly new phenomenon. I’m not sure how many mosques there are in Cleveland - 3,4,5? If there were only 5 Catholic churches in the whole Cleveland area, one might conclude from the crowded churches that the Church is flourishing, even though the total attendance would be much lower than it is today.
 
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