Catholic Explanation of Repeated Prayers

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Anyone who doesn’t think that Protestants don’t use formulaic prayer hasn’t heard all the Southern Baptists around me say:

Father we just come before you in prayer and we just thank you Father for all your blessings, and we pray for… In Jesus’ name we pray. Amen.
 
As far as I know, Protestants sing lots of songs during worship services since they don’t have the mass. Religious songs are repetitious prayer (verse, refrain, verse, refrain, etc.) but that in and of itself does not make it vain, any more than praying the Our Father or Hail Mary more than once makes them vain.

Repetitious Prayer
*Mt 6:7 - do not babble like pagans with their many words
1Kgs 18:25-29 - example of vain repetition: call Baal for hours
Mt 26:44 - Jesus prayed a third time, saying the same thing again
Lk 18:13 - collector kept beating breast & praying: be merciful
Rev 4:8 - repeat day & night, “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord”
1Thess 5:17 - pray without ceasing
Ps 136 (24X ‘his steadfast love endures forever’)
Mt 6:9-13 Our Father

Source: http://www.geocities.com/thecatholicconvert/biblecheatsheet.html
 
Saying Hail Mary full of grace…," FIFTY times is repetitious, whether one admits it or not. Repetitious prayer means to repeat words over and over again. 🙂
 
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piety101:
Saying Hail Mary full of grace…," FIFTY times is repetitious, whether one admits it or not. Repetitious prayer means to repeat words over and over again. 🙂
Indeed. But you left out that all important word, “vain.” Therein lies the difference. :blessyou:
 
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Saying Hail Mary full of grace…," FIFTY times is repetitious, whether one admits it or not. Repetitious prayer means to repeat words over and over again. 🙂
Yet it is possible to say each and every one with deeper and deeper appreciation for Our Lord, through the Mother who’s his and ours. It’s possible for every prayer of a long series to be uttered not mindlessly, as when a woman picks up her purse, but insistently, as when she tells her husband she loves him, many times a day.

Peace.
John
 
By definition it is still repetitious. Actually the practice of the Rosary recital cannot be found in the church before the 7th century. It is an optional practice that neither the apostles nor the early church practiced. Their devotion was chiefly to Christ in God. This fact cannot be denied. 🙂
 
Repetition is not the same as babbling. I’ve known a few people who babble. They seldom repeat themselves, yet after awhile you just wish they would be quiet. Perhaps God is the same way. I don’t think He minds repetition; but He doesn’t care for us to babble on with multitudes of words and requests when we could just be quiet in His presence.
 
Like I mentioned before. Jewish people have a set series of prayers that they repeat every day. IF Jesus was against repetitive prayers he would have condemned the Jewish people specifically. Instead, he directed his comment toward the pagans. My Strong’s concordance, translates the word in the verse as babbling. The pagans were probably engaging in a form of verbal nonsense. Does any one remember how the oracle of Apollo(I think that was the God) would sit over a fuming pit and ramble nonsense words that the priests had to interpret? This is probably the kind of activity that Jesus was talking about.
 
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piety101:
Saying Hail Mary full of grace…," FIFTY times is repetitious, whether one admits it or not. Repetitious prayer means to repeat words over and over again. 🙂
The rosary is a meditation device. We mediate on the certain events in Christ’s life. Have you said the Divine MErcy Chaplet(I might have the name wrong) The main prayer is not the Hail Mary. Maybe you would feel more comfortable with it.🙂
 
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Anyone who doesn’t think that Protestants don’t use formulaic prayer hasn’t heard all the Southern Baptists around me say:

Father we just come before you in prayer and we just thank you Father for all your blessings, and we pray for… In Jesus’ name we pray. Amen.
Hehehe. Indeed that is the truth. How many times do you hear the word “just” in those prayers? 😃
 
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piety101:
By definition it is still repetitious. Actually the practice of the Rosary recital cannot be found in the church before the 7th century. It is an optional practice that neither the apostles nor the early church practiced. Their devotion was chiefly to Christ in God. This fact cannot be denied. 🙂
The early Church didn’t practice Eucharistic Adoration either. Absence in antiquity does not make something automatically invalid.
 
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              It does mean a lot when you are trying to follow what the early church actually taught and practiced. If Christ was enough for people to solely trust and pray to, then it should be enough for us as well, who do not even face martyrdom, as the Christians in the first 300 years had to undergo.

              I try to build my faith and religious practices as were the beliefs and practices the early church, which is pretty simple. As for the Eucharist adoration, I'm not sure when that came into practice. But Rosary recitals were unheard of before the 7th century.  :)
 
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Hehehe. Indeed that is the truth. How many times do you hear the word “just” in those prayers? 😃
I just knew somebody from my neck of the woods would understand!
I just live up here in fundie land. My heart is back HOME in NO.
 
If I tell my mother in law that I love her, if I ask her help with family matters, if I ask her to pray for my children who are in difficulties, if I ask her questions about my husband so that I may get to know him better, if I do kind, loving things for her, if I join her when she is praying the rosary or chaplet with EWTN, does that somehow detract from my love and devotion to her son, my husband? anybody who thinks love of Mary detracts from love of Jesus has a very limited, miserly view of love.
 
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It does mean a lot when you are trying to follow what the early church actually taught and practiced. If Christ was enough for people to solely trust and pray to, then it should be enough for us as well, who do not even face martyrdom, as the Christians in the first 300 years had to undergo.

I try to build my faith and religious practices as were the beliefs and practices the early church, which is pretty simple. As for the Eucharist adoration, I’m not sure when that came into practice. But Rosary recitals were unheard of before the 7th century. 🙂
I don’t know why the 7th Century should be your magic number but since prayers to Mary have been known since Sub tuum praesidium, written around 250 A.D., that should ease your mind a little.
 
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piety101:
I try to build my faith and religious practices as were the beliefs and practices the early church, which is pretty simple. As for the Eucharist adoration, I’m not sure when that came into practice. But Rosary recitals were unheard of before the 7th century. 🙂
Piety, of course you are not obligated to use the rosary as a prayer practice. It is purely your option.

But at the same time, the prayer and disciplinary practices of the very early Church are not particularly normative. The Church develops and grows throughout the centuries, while remaining the same Church. --Just as a baby grows from an infant to childhood to youth to adulthood, yet remains the same person throughout.

If we had to follow only the practices of the early Church, we would hold everything in common. We don’t do that now, except in monastic communities. We would celebrate the Liturgy of the Word at the Synagogue, then go to someone’s home for the Liturgy of the Eucharist. We would often hold the Eucharistic celebration in a mausoleum. We would not use the cross or crucifix as a symbol. The very early Church preferred the Lamb as a symbol of Christ’s sacrifice. We would very likely not be able to go to confession on a monthly basis.

The Church received its authority from Christ, and has the authority to change liturgical and prayer practices to fit the times.
 
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It does mean a lot when you are trying to follow what the early church actually taught and practiced. If Christ was enough for people to solely trust and pray to, then it should be enough for us as well, who do not even face martyrdom, as the Christians in the first 300 years had to undergo.

I try to build my faith and religious practices as were the beliefs and practices the early church, which is pretty simple. As for the Eucharist adoration, I’m not sure when that came into practice. But Rosary recitals were unheard of before the 7th century. 🙂
The earliest Church had no New Testament and had no church buildings to worship Jesus in.

Thus, if we go by the earliest beliefs, we must not use a New Testament and we must not worship Jesus in a Church building.

Now, Thus the New Testament, the Holy Word of God, the inspired Word of God says that we must go to intercessors. For example, in the book of James, he says that the prayers of a righteous man availeth much. He says how it didn’t rain for 3 years. Now for 3 years over 10 million Jews were going directly to God in prayer. He did not answer a single one. But, when Elijah interceeded and prayed for rainfor the people, then God answered his prayer. we should ask holy and righteous people, such as Mary, to “pray for us sinners”, then God will answer.
 
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piety101:
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It does mean a lot when you are trying to follow what the early church actually taught and practiced. If Christ was enough for people to solely trust and pray to, then it should be enough for us as well, who do not even face martyrdom, as the Christians in the first 300 years had to undergo.

I try to build my faith and religious practices as were the beliefs and practices the early church, which is pretty simple. As for the Eucharist adoration, I’m not sure when that came into practice. But Rosary recitals were unheard of before the 7th century. 🙂
 
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piety101:
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It does mean a lot when you are trying to follow what the early church actually taught and practiced. If Christ was enough for people to solely trust and pray to, then it should be enough for us as well, who do not even face martyrdom, as the Christians in the first 300 years had to undergo.
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You are making a false assumption. No where does the word of God say that Christ was enough for people to solely trust and pray to.

Jesus himself says, “if he will not listen to the Church, let him be as a pagan or tax collector”. In other words, Jesus gave authority to His Church to teach and preach the gospel, and if we don’t trust and the Gospel the Church teaches then Jesus says we have lost our salvation. So this novel idea that we should trust Jesus alone is contradicted by Jesus Himself.
Now, the Gospel that the apostles taught and preached is not summarized anywhere in the bible. There is no book, nor any chapter that summarizes the Gospel the apostles taught and preached. But, this Gospel was handed down as the Word of God in apostolic Tradition and these teachings are expressed in the liturgy and in the Catechisms today and are taught by the Church today. This word of God handed down in apostolic Tradition says Christians pray to the saints in heaven constantly, “on whose constant intercession we rely for help” as recorded in the prayers of the mass. Thus, if the Word of God handed down says Christians rely for help on the constant intercession of the saints in heaven, then we must follow this Word of God.
 
The “vain repetitions” condemnation CAN’T mean that faith-filled repetitions in prayer is sinful. Why not?

Simple: Read Psalm 136: There “God’s love endures forever” is repeated 26 times.

So, what does the “vain repetitions” condemnation condemn?

Answer: Faithless agonizing, where one “wears out the rug” praying for help – “God, ya gotta help me! GOD, YA GOTTA HELP ME! **GOD, YA GOTTA HELP ME!” – **due to lack of faith, as opposed to just asking God for help on something ONCE, with TRUST!
 
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