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4HisChurch
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Amen! I totally agree with you. Its heartening to know there are some good, orthodox students at ND.
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decn2b
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I have the money and I will never send my 4 children to that place you call Notre Dame…NEVER! The prestige is of this world…I am worried about things not of this world…and It will be decades before ND comes off the Damned to hades list. Simply put you are blind to the fact that your Alma Mater HAS NO SOUL in it. A catholic University should HAVE 100% catholic faculty in the Theology dept. I just read a Mcbrein article today. It is a summary of why he hates the Blessed Virgin Mary and especially devotions to her. Let me ask you this.?>?> who does McBrien work for in terms of soul saving???hmm!!! Who else cringes at Marian devotion?..Hmmmmmm!!! Do you realize the countless souls that are being corrupted by this man? His article in my diocesan newspaper reaches countless people who are unwittingly seduced by this "CROWLEY McBlarney (orbrien) Professor of theology. The smoke of Satan has entered the sanctuary (and the classrooms of the theology dept. of ND)
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Domer1997
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decn2b,
You obviously do not know a lot about Notre Dame. It’s a shame that you can rattle off the few imperfections in the school but you do not know the beauty of Our Lady’s University. You seem pretty set in your thinking, so I’m not going to try to change your mind. By the way, McBrien will not be around forever. But, please be respectful. He still is a priest. He still holds the faculties to change mere bread and wine in the ACTUAL body and blood of Christ. I’m not a big fan of his theological stances by any means. But, I do respect the fact that he is called by God. I believe all priests are called by God. I am pretty sure that is still a basic understanding of our religion.
If you think Notre Dame “has no soul”, I can’t imagine what you think of Georgetown, BC, LMU, Xavier, Loyalo Chicago, DePaul and the rest.
Notre Dame “does have a soul” by the way. Open your eyes and see it before you speak with such wrongful convictions. I will light a candle for you at the Grotto of our Lady of Lourdes. This candle will be shining for the Holy Spirit to open your eyes so you can see how hateful you sound. In case you don’t know, the grotto is on the Notre Dame campus. It’s an exact replica (1/3 size) of the grotto in Lourdes, France. Your candle will be flickering on Friday, October 20, the eve of the UCLA game. GO IRISH!!!
You obviously do not know a lot about Notre Dame. It’s a shame that you can rattle off the few imperfections in the school but you do not know the beauty of Our Lady’s University. You seem pretty set in your thinking, so I’m not going to try to change your mind. By the way, McBrien will not be around forever. But, please be respectful. He still is a priest. He still holds the faculties to change mere bread and wine in the ACTUAL body and blood of Christ. I’m not a big fan of his theological stances by any means. But, I do respect the fact that he is called by God. I believe all priests are called by God. I am pretty sure that is still a basic understanding of our religion.
If you think Notre Dame “has no soul”, I can’t imagine what you think of Georgetown, BC, LMU, Xavier, Loyalo Chicago, DePaul and the rest.
Notre Dame “does have a soul” by the way. Open your eyes and see it before you speak with such wrongful convictions. I will light a candle for you at the Grotto of our Lady of Lourdes. This candle will be shining for the Holy Spirit to open your eyes so you can see how hateful you sound. In case you don’t know, the grotto is on the Notre Dame campus. It’s an exact replica (1/3 size) of the grotto in Lourdes, France. Your candle will be flickering on Friday, October 20, the eve of the UCLA game. GO IRISH!!!
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irenaeus1
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It doesn’t matter that McBrien won’t be around forever. The point of the matter is that he is around now spreading his venomous doctrine. You incessantly talk about the ‘few’ imperfections over and against the apparent multitudes of orthodox professors. The problem should be obvious to you… these other professors do not have the reach that McBrien has, which is precisely why you have to bring these others to our attention – because we know nothing of them. But McBrien, however, is printed in numerous diocesan newspapers spreading his heterodoxy to literally millions. So before you tout about the ‘few’ imperfections, consider for a moment the immense damage that is being done by this solitary man. Yes, he’s a priest, which makes it all the worse because he should know better; yes, he’s a priest, but so was Arius, and Judas was an apostle, Nestorius was a bishop, and Luther was a monk… so what? We’re not questioning the legitimacy of McBrien’s ordination.
In Christ,
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decn2b
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Are you in Lourdes? My wife is there right now with the North American volunteers! You are talking about the Real Lourdes…right? Look You rattled off a bunch of other so called catholic Universities. And yes I am erroring on the side of safety when I form my opinion on the litany of colleges you named. I can think of a number of colleges that are much better suited for my children…Ave Maria, Franciscan, benedictine etc. to name a few. I have been to ND campus it has the feel of a secular campus. Richard McBrein is doing more damage to the church than you may realize. TONS of damage. MSM has him listed as the spokeperson for the Catholic church…whenever Matt Lauer or Catie Couric need the Catholic Church’s opionion on a newsworthy matter they have Father McBrein on speed dial…and imply that he is speaking on behalf of the church…especially the magisterium…which is a long long long long way form the truth.
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iserve
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Good points all, Iraneus. I might add that I work in a state penitenary where upstairs, locked a a special ward for “those kinds of prisoners” reside six Catholic priests, who, as Domer says “have the faculties to change bread and wine into the actual body of CHrist”. These charmers used those very same hands to destroy the sexual innocence of children, and I doubt that anyone would believe that God called them to his Church for anything but the same thing He used Judas for: to betray Him and thus shine the light on the truth!
BTW- I also worked for a Catholic agency for many years, and could easily think of some priests for whom I have little or no respect. These are people and some of them joined the Church for all the wrong reaons, such as access to children, or for priveleges such as money, power, social and political influence and education. I have known many of them who seemingly had little insight into the kind of life Jesus lived or called them to have.
Respect is something one earns, in my book, not given because its’ target carries some kind of “symbol” of respect, such as a collar, or a miter. Jesus is the one who changes the matter of bread and wine into the body and blood, no man is or ever will be capable of doing this, and woe unto him who thinks it has anything to do with him. It is through the hands of the priest that Jesus does this, which is why the scaraments are independent of the priest who dispenses them.
Catholics need to demand the very best from themselves and their priests if we are to stay focused on the prize, which is salvation.
BTW- I also worked for a Catholic agency for many years, and could easily think of some priests for whom I have little or no respect. These are people and some of them joined the Church for all the wrong reaons, such as access to children, or for priveleges such as money, power, social and political influence and education. I have known many of them who seemingly had little insight into the kind of life Jesus lived or called them to have.
Respect is something one earns, in my book, not given because its’ target carries some kind of “symbol” of respect, such as a collar, or a miter. Jesus is the one who changes the matter of bread and wine into the body and blood, no man is or ever will be capable of doing this, and woe unto him who thinks it has anything to do with him. It is through the hands of the priest that Jesus does this, which is why the scaraments are independent of the priest who dispenses them.
Catholics need to demand the very best from themselves and their priests if we are to stay focused on the prize, which is salvation.
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Domer1997
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Decn2b,
If you’ve been to the Notre Dame campus and it feels “secular” to you then you are TRULY walking around with blinders on! As a student, I have heard visitors describe Notre Dame as “Catholic Disneyland”. …no joke.
It is far from secular. You can’t walk ten feet without bumping into a statue of a saint or Jesus Christ!
Unfortunately, you do NOT know the Notre Dame that I know…and the Notre Dame that draws hundreds of thousands of Catholic pilgrims each year.
Remember, your candle will be burning bright at our Grotto of Our Lady of Lourdes on Friday, October 20. God Bless and God Bless Our Lady’s University!
If you’ve been to the Notre Dame campus and it feels “secular” to you then you are TRULY walking around with blinders on! As a student, I have heard visitors describe Notre Dame as “Catholic Disneyland”. …no joke.
It is far from secular. You can’t walk ten feet without bumping into a statue of a saint or Jesus Christ!
Unfortunately, you do NOT know the Notre Dame that I know…and the Notre Dame that draws hundreds of thousands of Catholic pilgrims each year.
Remember, your candle will be burning bright at our Grotto of Our Lady of Lourdes on Friday, October 20. God Bless and God Bless Our Lady’s University!
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iserve
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Decn2b
It is far from secular. You can’t walk ten feet without bumping into a statue of a saint or Jesus Christ!
Hehe, heh…too bad you can’t walk ten feet without walking into real *people *who are saints or who want to be like Jesus Christ. Haven’t you heard that joke about Disneyworld visitors saying “Get a load of how real all this fake stuff looks”! Is that what Notre Dame wants to be about???
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prv
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Agreed on the faculty requirement. The problems is, it is rather hard to find orthodox Catholic faculty. Baylor University, where I used to attend had a Board of Regents requirement that those on its religion faculty must be Baptist, and I suppose this included the courses on Catholicism and Orthodoxy as well.
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Domer1997
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Iserve,
Last time I checked at Notre Dame, the tabernacle in the Basilica of the Sacred Heart, the tabernacle in the log chapel, the tabernacle in the Colman-Morse chapel, the tabernacle in the seminary chapel, and the tabernacles in all 27 residence hall chapels contain the REAL body of Christ. You say, “get a load of how real all this fake stuff looks.” Think before you speak. The true presence of Jesus Christ is by FAR fake, and the true presence of Jesus Christ is present in 40 tabernacles throughout the Notre Dame campus.
As the statue of the Sacred Heart in the middle of campus reads, “Venite ad me omnes!” --Come all of you to me!
“Me” being the true Christ. …and for one to call His presence “fake”!?! …I will pray for you.
Yours in Our Lady…
Last time I checked at Notre Dame, the tabernacle in the Basilica of the Sacred Heart, the tabernacle in the log chapel, the tabernacle in the Colman-Morse chapel, the tabernacle in the seminary chapel, and the tabernacles in all 27 residence hall chapels contain the REAL body of Christ. You say, “get a load of how real all this fake stuff looks.” Think before you speak. The true presence of Jesus Christ is by FAR fake, and the true presence of Jesus Christ is present in 40 tabernacles throughout the Notre Dame campus.
As the statue of the Sacred Heart in the middle of campus reads, “Venite ad me omnes!” --Come all of you to me!
“Me” being the true Christ. …and for one to call His presence “fake”!?! …I will pray for you.
Yours in Our Lady…
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irenaeus1
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How about lighting a candle for McBrien’s return to the fulness of the Catholic and Apostolic faith?
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irenaeus1
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You know good and well that Iserve was not talking about the Real Presence being fake. He was talking about ND pretending to be a Catholic University.
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Brucealeg
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What is this, kick Notre Dame day? We are to condemn this university because of one man? I am ashamed by some of these posts. What happened to charity and praying for those who need Gods grace to get back to the true path?
Notre Dame is probably as Catholic as any Catholic University in this nation. I am sure that many of the small super orthodox schools are tremendous places of faith where a quality education can be found.
However, to act like there is no room for Notre Dame compared to those universities is shameful. The only thing preventing ND from being the school that hard core Catholic conservatives desire is time and prayer.
They already do a lot of things right as Domer1997 has patiently illustrated. If you aren’t willing to be part of the solution then you become the problem. The decline of Christian-Catholic values in this country comes directly from this mentality of attacking versus helping.
Notre Dame is probably as Catholic as any Catholic University in this nation. I am sure that many of the small super orthodox schools are tremendous places of faith where a quality education can be found.
However, to act like there is no room for Notre Dame compared to those universities is shameful. The only thing preventing ND from being the school that hard core Catholic conservatives desire is time and prayer.
They already do a lot of things right as Domer1997 has patiently illustrated. If you aren’t willing to be part of the solution then you become the problem. The decline of Christian-Catholic values in this country comes directly from this mentality of attacking versus helping.
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irenaeus1
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I have not compared ND to other Catholic universities. Second, although there are good things that may be happening there, there are good Catholic things happening at secular universities also. Also, some of the things that Domer pointed out, such as the V-monologues, apparently was not that accurate according to another who was there.
In Christ,
Irenaeus
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iserve
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Working for the Catholic agency in Boston, I watched as heretics like McBrien (and those who sat by watching ) terrorized and Struck at our Church and its’ infrastructure. In the end, there is little more than smoking ruins. The Eucharist is still there, minus scores of scandalized and traumatized worshippers who were driven away by the betrayal that occured on all sides. You cannot even begin to imagine the destruction wrought by those “infiltrators” into our infrastructures whose motives go against Catholic principles, and my sense is that ND authories have the same naieve, almost cowardly approach to the problem that cost the archdiocese, its’ people and its’ Cardinal here in Boston and elsewhere so very dearly.
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Domer1997
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Brucealeg…I thank you.
I am truly saddened that there are members on this forum who claim to be Catholic and flat-out slam my alma mater without even acknowledging the good within the university walls. Remarks such as “your alma mater has no soul in it” or “…ND pretending to be a Catholic school” are personal offenses. I am a product of that school as are my closest friends. All of us are good, moral, practicing Catholics that work hard to love God and His people and not judge others. It is for God to judge others. We are stepping out of our bounds as humans when we do this.
“Amen I say to you, tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you.”
I don’t know why their is such a bitter sentiment from many regarding Notre Dame. Is it jealosy? Is it hatred? Eighty-Five percent of the student body is Catholic and over 10% of graduates go into service for others post graduation…making pennies and living in impoverished conditions. “No Soul”!!! Are you kidding me? Fellow Domers…back me up on this one!
Notre Dame is a fairly conservative campus. However, there are students there who are not Catholic and who are not conservative. They are a small percentage, but yes, they do exist. It’s a fact that ND is one of the most selective and highly ranked universities in the nation. While most students embrace the Catholic Church, one must always realize that there are students there that went to Notre Dame strictly for academics and not for religion. But, they are welcome to be there. Christ never turned anyone away! Christ is love. And we need to think about how Jesus would have conducted himself before casting any judgement on others or personal attacks on another’s alma mater!
I don’t know what else I can say. We’ll have to agree to disagree. I will close with one more statement: The sprituality and love for our Church was strengthened for me at Notre Dame. My experiences were real and by no means “fake”.
I am truly saddened that there are members on this forum who claim to be Catholic and flat-out slam my alma mater without even acknowledging the good within the university walls. Remarks such as “your alma mater has no soul in it” or “…ND pretending to be a Catholic school” are personal offenses. I am a product of that school as are my closest friends. All of us are good, moral, practicing Catholics that work hard to love God and His people and not judge others. It is for God to judge others. We are stepping out of our bounds as humans when we do this.
“Amen I say to you, tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God before you.”
I don’t know why their is such a bitter sentiment from many regarding Notre Dame. Is it jealosy? Is it hatred? Eighty-Five percent of the student body is Catholic and over 10% of graduates go into service for others post graduation…making pennies and living in impoverished conditions. “No Soul”!!! Are you kidding me? Fellow Domers…back me up on this one!
Notre Dame is a fairly conservative campus. However, there are students there who are not Catholic and who are not conservative. They are a small percentage, but yes, they do exist. It’s a fact that ND is one of the most selective and highly ranked universities in the nation. While most students embrace the Catholic Church, one must always realize that there are students there that went to Notre Dame strictly for academics and not for religion. But, they are welcome to be there. Christ never turned anyone away! Christ is love. And we need to think about how Jesus would have conducted himself before casting any judgement on others or personal attacks on another’s alma mater!
I don’t know what else I can say. We’ll have to agree to disagree. I will close with one more statement: The sprituality and love for our Church was strengthened for me at Notre Dame. My experiences were real and by no means “fake”.
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decn2b
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Ok now you are getting out of hand…its almost a cult-like mentality. Somehow I lose my Catholicity for being crititcal of ND and its so called catholic Identity?
I am willing to admit that I may have become biased due to the fact that ND and the likes gets picked on quite a bit by Catholic answers conferences. I remember a few years back Scott Hahn really let one loose on what he thought of ND. And that wasn’t even a Catholic answers conf. I beleive it was a talk he gave entitled Damnation History…he made a good jab at ND.
DOMER do you know what Mandatum means? Is ND too good for the Vatican’s mandate? Can a Unveristy call itself Catholic if it refuses to hold a mandatum?
What are you going to say when the Holy Father drops the hammar on such shcools? The academic investigation indicates that some colleges will be disallowed to call themselves catholic. If this happens ND what will you think?
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newf
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For you people who don’t like Notre Dame, don’t go there. But maybe you can be a little open minded and try to see that there are some good things going on over there in spite of the fact that there are some problems.
I believe most of the ND bashers here couldn’t get into the school anyway. It is an elite institution and you’ve gotta have the grades to get in, plus high SAT/ACT scores and other achievements. It’s easier to get all smug on the Vmonologues and feel superior as they go off to their orthodox colleges.
Domer1997, maybe you could share how ND prepared you for the real world…like were you able to get a job? In the secular workplace, a degree from ND is probably far superior to any of these mandatum schools.
I believe most of the ND bashers here couldn’t get into the school anyway. It is an elite institution and you’ve gotta have the grades to get in, plus high SAT/ACT scores and other achievements. It’s easier to get all smug on the Vmonologues and feel superior as they go off to their orthodox colleges.
Domer1997, maybe you could share how ND prepared you for the real world…like were you able to get a job? In the secular workplace, a degree from ND is probably far superior to any of these mandatum schools.
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Tom317
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The purpose of a Catholic school is to form people in the faith, not to prepare them for a career. Careers and academic pursuits are important aspects of any college education, yet they are secondary to the formation of strong Catholics.
Forget ND’s football team.
Forget ND’s academic standing.
Forget ND’s great name.
Forget the history of ND.
Forget about the externals of statutes and chapels and such, for any person can wear a scapular or wear a crucifix, Maddonna crucifies herself on a cross and I don’t know of anyone that would call her a Catholic. The faith lies in our hearts, and the externals mean nothing if the heart does not belong to Christ.
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Tell us how ND improves, builds, adds to, and fortifies the kingdom of God by sending rock solid Catholics into the world–Catholics who stand strongly in the faith day-after-day, marry and have bunches of kids and build the kingdom and spread the kingdom in anyway that God asks of them.
Tell us the names of the truly Holy Priests that have populated the nation’s dioceses due to the Holy Spirit filled education they experienced at ND (causing them to enter seminaries and pursue the Priesthood).
Tell us of how many religious each year come from ND and how many Nuns come from that school (yes, they would have to go beyond ND to do either, yet if ND is truly Catholic, those vocations should be there too).
Tell us of the defenders of the faith that have come out of ND, what are their names, what have they done.
Tell us that and more and then ND will be proved as a Catholic University, absent that they have a lot more work to do before they are truly Catholic.
[yes, this applies to all Catholics schools, they have one purpose: to form strong rock-solid Catholics]
Forget ND’s football team.
Forget ND’s academic standing.
Forget ND’s great name.
Forget the history of ND.
Forget about the externals of statutes and chapels and such, for any person can wear a scapular or wear a crucifix, Maddonna crucifies herself on a cross and I don’t know of anyone that would call her a Catholic. The faith lies in our hearts, and the externals mean nothing if the heart does not belong to Christ.
Instead,
Tell us how ND improves, builds, adds to, and fortifies the kingdom of God by sending rock solid Catholics into the world–Catholics who stand strongly in the faith day-after-day, marry and have bunches of kids and build the kingdom and spread the kingdom in anyway that God asks of them.
Tell us the names of the truly Holy Priests that have populated the nation’s dioceses due to the Holy Spirit filled education they experienced at ND (causing them to enter seminaries and pursue the Priesthood).
Tell us of how many religious each year come from ND and how many Nuns come from that school (yes, they would have to go beyond ND to do either, yet if ND is truly Catholic, those vocations should be there too).
Tell us of the defenders of the faith that have come out of ND, what are their names, what have they done.
Tell us that and more and then ND will be proved as a Catholic University, absent that they have a lot more work to do before they are truly Catholic.
[yes, this applies to all Catholics schools, they have one purpose: to form strong rock-solid Catholics]
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Tom317
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Domer,
I say this with complete respect: Please walk carefully with your defense of ND. It is very good to be loyal to your school, no doubt. Yet, your attitude borders on making ND an idol, and one that you will defend no matter what another person says. People here, in general, are strong Christ loving Catholics. They are not trying to hurt you or ND, they are merely expressing their views about the school and the opinion that it has lost its Catholic core. You attended the school, so you are heavily biased towards ND, no surprise. I just advise that you temper your desire to defend ND at all turns, and open your mind to fellow Catholics who might actually be making some good points.
As Catholics, we should all care more about Christ and His kingdom, then about schools or anything like that. That means we have to be willing to admit when our schools have fallen.
God Bless you.
I say this with complete respect: Please walk carefully with your defense of ND. It is very good to be loyal to your school, no doubt. Yet, your attitude borders on making ND an idol, and one that you will defend no matter what another person says. People here, in general, are strong Christ loving Catholics. They are not trying to hurt you or ND, they are merely expressing their views about the school and the opinion that it has lost its Catholic core. You attended the school, so you are heavily biased towards ND, no surprise. I just advise that you temper your desire to defend ND at all turns, and open your mind to fellow Catholics who might actually be making some good points.
As Catholics, we should all care more about Christ and His kingdom, then about schools or anything like that. That means we have to be willing to admit when our schools have fallen.
God Bless you.
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