Catholic family's backyard is a stop for Obama on swing through Iowa

[Beau_Ouiville]

"DES MOINES, Iowa (CNS) – President Barack Obama chose the backyard of a Catholic Des Moines family Sept. 29 to talk about issues ranging from the economy and taxes to education, poverty and health care.

The president arrived at the home of Jeff and Sandy Hatfield Clubb and their two children in the tree-lined Beaverdale neighborhood about 10 a.m. and stayed for more than an hour. He spoke to a group of about 80 people, mostly friends of the Clubbs who sat in lawn chairs provided by neighbors.

Obama’s visit was part of a swing through four states.

The couple described themselves as a typical American family. Jeff, who had been a firefighter, is a social studies teacher at Holy Trinity Catholic School in Des Moines. Sandy is the athletic director of Drake University. Their two children attend Holy Trinity School.

Continuing the Holy Trinity theme, its pastor, Father Michael Amadeo, was the last of five people to ask a question during the forum."

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1003992.htm

 

[Bob_Aliano]

"DES MOINES, Iowa (CNS) – President Barack Obama chose the backyard of a Catholic Des Moines family Sept. 29 to talk about issues ranging from the economy and taxes to education, poverty and health care.

The president arrived at the home of Jeff and Sandy Hatfield Clubb and their two children in the tree-lined Beaverdale neighborhood about 10 a.m. and stayed for more than an hour. He spoke to a group of about 80 people, mostly friends of the Clubbs who sat in lawn chairs provided by neighbors.

Obama’s visit was part of a swing through four states.

The couple described themselves as a typical American family. Jeff, who had been a firefighter, is a social studies teacher at Holy Trinity Catholic School in Des Moines. Sandy is the athletic director of Drake University. Their two children attend Holy Trinity School.

Continuing the Holy Trinity theme, its pastor, Father Michael Amadeo, was the last of five people to ask a question during the forum."

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1003992.htm

Is it possible to have a backyard exorcised?

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

Is it possible to have a backyard exorcised?

You’d have to ask the Catholic pastor who was in attendance.

 

[Bob_Aliano]

You’d have to ask the Catholic pastor who was in attendance.

If that was supposed to make me feel bad somehow, it didn’t anymore than my resentment of Obama at ND.

 

[Beau_Ouiville]

If that was supposed to make me feel bad somehow, it didn’t anymore than my resentment of Obama at ND.

Well, the president met with Chicago’s cardinal, too, before he left for the inauguration. I guess you can resent that, too, if you want to.

 

[Adeodatus]

“Out, damned spot! Out, I say!”

 

[Bob_Aliano]

Well, the president met with Chicago’s cardinal, too, before he left for the inauguration. I guess you can resent that, too, if you want to.

The Cardinal is a statesman, it is within expected protocol to greet other statesmen.

 

[SamH]

I bet they have the greenest grass in the neighborhood next year.

 

[jmarch]

I am a former Catholic who will take RCIA class starting this month. One of the things I admire about the Church is it’s firm stand moral issues like abortion. I don’t see how anyone who calls themselves a Christian could vote for or stand with a man who condones partial birth abortion or any form of abortion. I don’t see how a Christian would be willing to host a man who cancels the day of prayer at the white house but promulgates the dedication of entire month (JUNE) for Gays people. I don’t get how a President who is an infrequent church attender has much in common with those who see worshiping the Lord as a responsibility.

I just don’t get it.

 

[Dale_M]

I don’t get how a President who is an infrequent church attender has much in common with those who see worshiping the Lord as a responsibility.

When was the last time the US had a president who attended church with any regularity? Jimmy Carter back in the 1970s? Certainly not Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush, but that didn’t stop religious people from adopting those presidents as one of their own.

 

[HCC]

youtube.com/watch?v=6hHnOBlwU3A

 

[sojo]

I am a former Catholic who will take RCIA class starting this month. One of the things I admire about the Church is it’s firm stand moral issues like abortion. I don’t see how anyone who calls themselves a Christian could vote for or stand with a man who condones partial birth abortion or any form of abortion. I don’t see how a Christian would be willing to host a man who cancels the day of prayer at the white house but promulgates the dedication of entire month (JUNE) for Gays people. I don’t get how a President who is an infrequent church attender has much in common with those who see worshiping the Lord as a responsibility.

I just don’t get it.

Yeah. I hear Jesus got that a lot when he hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors.

 

[exoflare]

Yeah. I hear Jesus got that a lot when he hung out with prostitutes and tax collectors.

The difference was, Jesus loved the person but hated the sin. He didn’t promote the people’s sins and then try to pass it off as “tolerance”.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

The difference was, Jesus loved the person but hated the sin. He didn’t promote the people’s sins and then try to pass it off as “tolerance”.

Does Scripture say that? I’m aware that He told the woman who was about to be stoned and whom He rescued from the “those without sin,” to go and sin no more, but I don’t recall Him making pointed remarks to the tax collectors and the prostitutes or the lowly whom He would break bread with.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I don’t see how a Christian would be willing to host a man who cancels the day of prayer at the white house

That seemed to have been a big deal for the Evangelicals, but not for the Catholics. We have Mass daily if we choose to attend; once a year prayer fests just don’t match that.

I don’t get how a President who is an infrequent church attender has much in common with those who see worshiping the Lord as a responsibility.

I just don’t get it.

What do you think of those previous Presidents who rarely attended church? Ronald Reagan, for example.

 

[PRmerger]

Does Scripture say that?

No, that’s not in Scripture. Jesus never* said* to love the sinner, hate the sin. But, clearly, he did. And that’s the example we ought to follow, yes?

 

[Bob_Aliano]

No, that’s not in Scripture. Jesus never* said* to love the sinner, hate the sin. But, clearly, he did. And that’s the example we ought to follow, yes?

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” (Matthew 5:43)

Of course we have to assume that the sinner is the enemy of Christ to apply this quotation, I do.

Sorry for the edit but I forgot to add that anyone, especially someone in the position of President of the US, who not only advocates abortion and embryonic stem cell research but insists on making Christians pay for them is in no uncertain terms, not only a sinner but clearly the enemy of the Church.

 

[PRmerger]

“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.” (Matthew 5:43)

Of course we have to assume that the sinner is the enemy of Christ to apply this quotation, I do.

I believe it was Gandhi that coined the phrase “Love the sinner; hate the sin”. Of course, he was borrowing from good old JC when he said that!

 

[MJE]

When or where a president attends church is not on my radar but the fact that he/she has stood @ the microphone of a congress, state &/or federal, and justifies & promotes pulling a child from his mothers womb, head 1st, to allow mechanically sucking the childs brains out, prior to the torso being pulled out, is on my radar. Such a philosphy & political stance screams: depraved!

 

[Timothy17]

I wouldn’t put too much stock in distractions.

I’d like to see a news bulletin here where a petition is posted to end abortion. This FYI does nothing but irritate people, and ultimately only produces lethargy and a breaking down of the spirit.

Obama is no JFK or Abe Lincoln. He very well could choose to be. It belongs to Catholics around him, and those clergymen who by virtue of their office or position are permitted contact with him, to perhaps produce, by the Grace of God, a conversion of heart within the man. Still, if we organize and produce a solid pro-life position, then we produce a vessel that a captian can command. The abolition of slavery was not a movement produced by Abe, but existed before him. Men like Abe saw a movement, considered its solidarity and especially its merits, and thus realized its potential. The misanthropy of this age subsists on perpetual distractions and tricks, because as an argument its tenets are indefensible against the alternative view. A wise politician would see this and choose carpe diem, not fearing the illusionary marginalization that would be produced against him but rather take heart in the soundness of the principles of his conviction. Such a politician would force the issue in debates, etc., and thus reveal the inhumanity, and, ultimately, the misanthropy of the present ruling philosophies.

Pax,
Tim