Catholic Gays Challenge Church Authority

[bones_IV]

To those sash fools who think the Church is irrevelant, please leave. If it is hopeless, why stay? We will not condone your filthy death style anymore than we condone any sin, so please stop trying to force our hand.

biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070524/aqth007.html?.v=14

 

[Orogeny]

I tell you what, if those other parishioners who are giving their own hosts to those denied are not publically reprimanded, denied communion even, then the RSM will at least be able to make the argument that the bishops/priests have singled them out for special treatment.

Peace

Tim

 

[tamccrackine]

…and to stop thinking they can make decisions for God. These Bishops need to be reminded they are pastors, while they call themselves Princes. Try finding that in the scriptures!"

Yet the people wearing these sashes are making a decision for God themselves! You can’t possibly tell me that all of them are living celibate lives, so they are going against Church teaching yet still demanding that they receive Communion like they’re in good standing!

They preach ‘hate the sin but love the sinner,’ while pointing to the sins of others and ignoring their own.

They wear their sin by wearing the sash so what exactly is anyone else pointing out?

My partner of 27 years and I agree, they are hopelessly out of touch."

And so by the mere fact that these two people, who have been living adn committing an abominable sin for 27 years are now saying that the Church is wrong? I think we need to remind them that they are sheep, not pastors, therefore have NO RIGHT to demand special privleges, rights or to demand the Church to change her ways so they “fit in”. St. Augustine said it best “We need to conform our lives to the teachings of God, not conform God’s teachings to the way we want to live our lives.”

This whole thing about gays and what they want is starting to really annoy the daylights out of me.

 

[Myrrh23]

Hello!

In the article, the guy Murray said that Christ accepted sinners. He may have accepted sinners, yet one of the main reasons was to lead them away from their sins. The Church accepts gays, but not those people that practice a gay lifestyle. Isn’t that why Jesus called the disciple who was a publican away from that lifestyle, or was the disciple still a publican? It seems to me that the Bishops are refusing communion to them in order to encourage them to leave their sinful lifestyle in the trashheap, where it belongs.

Sia

 

[Dale_M]

You can’t possibly tell me that all of them are living celibate lives, so they are going against Church teaching yet still demanding that they receive Communion like they’re in good standing!

Don’t forget that some people who wear the sash may be straight and married. I’m not sure of the numbers, but we can’t rule them out. Nor can we rule out the celibacy of unmarried sash-wearers. Back in my college days I might have worn the sash as a gesture of solidarity (and because I was obnoxiously self-righteous.) I was celibate back in those days.

Myrrh23:

The Church accepts gays, but not those people that practice a gay lifestyle.

Please excuse my quibbling, but the Church accepts all people including those who are habitually committing a sin. But it does not tolerate the sin, and seeks to convert the sinner. Denying communion is simply one tool in waking someone up to the need to transform their life.

 

[Riley259]

Hello!

In the article, the guy Murray said that Christ accepted sinners. He may have accepted sinners, yet one of the main reasons was to lead them away from their sins. The Church accepts gays, but not those people that practice a gay lifestyle. Isn’t that why Jesus called the disciple who was a publican away from that lifestyle, or was the disciple still a publican? It seems to me that the Bishops are refusing communion to them in order to encourage them to leave their sinful lifestyle in the trashheap, where it belongs.

Sia

He accepted the sinners but told them to sin no more.

 

[francesco920]

Well, the Bishops could do something about parishioners sharing their hosts with these scandalous, gravely immoral anti-Catholic heretics…

But then again it is more important to uphold the right of the Catholic laity to receive with their hands than to go back to the ultratraditionalist practice of receiving on the tongue and prevent sacrilege.

Wouldn’t it be great if at the entrance of all basilcas and cathedrals the bishops would station Knights of Columbus to refuse entry to these people? The pope could even send over some Swiss Guards…

 

[st_julie]

Did anyone go to the rainbow sash website? Their “spirituality” may explain some of their actions.It claims The Church is ruled by dogmatic Nazis’ and the Bishops crucify those who disagree with them or get in their way.

 

[childofmary1143]

Well, the Bishops could do something about parishioners sharing their hosts with these scandalous, gravely immoral anti-Catholic heretics…

But then again it is more important to uphold the right of the Catholic laity to receive with their hands than to go back to the ultratraditionalist practice of receiving on the tongue and prevent sacrilege.

Wouldn’t it be great if at the entrance of all basilcas and cathedrals the bishops would station Knights of Columbus to refuse entry to these people? The pope could even send over some Swiss Guards…

No some Bishops do this:

azstarnet.com/metro/184942

 

[catholicguy918]

It might be interesting to look at this issue from a different perspective. I am a “gay” man. I am also a Catholic. I know that Jesus loves me, and the Church loves me.

I do not choose my inclinations, but I do choose my actions. I do not practice my homosexuality. It does not take a brain surgeon or a theologian to figure out that people of the same sex aren’t supposed to have sex. it is not biologically condusive and the Bible speaks against it in many places.

I know the feelings gay people have. The feelings are very strong. However, they cannot be encouraged to act out in any way. They just don’t get it. The Church will not give them any special treatment or recognize their relationships because they are just plain sinful. I think it is absolutely ubsurd that “Gays” have gotten as far as they have gaining legal status and such. the whole thing is just ubsurd. Any person who discovers they have these feelings should treat it as a disease, that needs treatment, not embrace it. Lets pray for these people. lets pray that they realize what they are doing and stop harrassing the Church for speaking the truth.

 

[blessedtoo]

It might be interesting to look at this issue from a different perspective. I am a “gay” man. I am also a Catholic. I know that Jesus loves me, and the Church loves me.

I do not choose my inclinations, but I do choose my actions. I do not practice my homosexuality. It does not take a brain surgeon or a theologian to figure out that people of the same sex aren’t supposed to have sex. it is not biologically condusive and the Bible speaks against it in many places.

I know the feelings gay people have. The feelings are very strong. However, they cannot be encouraged to act out in any way. They just don’t get it. The Church will not give them any special treatment or recognize their relationships because they are just plain sinful. I think it is absolutely ubsurd that “Gays” have gotten as far as they have gaining legal status and such. the whole thing is just ubsurd. Any person who discovers they have these feelings should treat it as a disease, that needs treatment, not embrace it. Lets pray for these people. lets pray that they realize what they are doing and stop harrassing the Church for speaking the truth.

Welcome to CAF and God bless you for your testimony!

 

[Genesis315]

He accepted the sinners but told them to sin no more.

I once heard a priest put it this way: God loves you as you are, but He loves you too much to let you stay that way

 

[johnnydigit]

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:banghead: bOOO! hisss! :dts:

It might be interesting to look at this issue from a different perspective. I am a “gay” man. I am also a Catholic. I know that Jesus loves me, and the Church loves me.

I do not choose my inclinations, but I do choose my actions. I do not practice my homosexuality. It does not take a brain surgeon or a theologian to figure out that people of the same sex aren’t supposed to have sex. it is not biologically condusive and the Bible speaks against it in many places.

I know the feelings gay people have. The feelings are very strong. However, they cannot be encouraged to act out in any way. They just don’t get it. The Church will not give them any special treatment or recognize their relationships because they are just plain sinful. I think it is absolutely ubsurd that “Gays” have gotten as far as they have gaining legal status and such. the whole thing is just ubsurd. Any person who discovers they have these feelings should treat it as a disease, that needs treatment, not embrace it. Lets pray for these people. lets pray that they realize what they are doing and stop harrassing the Church for speaking the truth.

and praise God! i am a single, straight male and it is sooo hard to resist temptation. it’s one of the biggest crosses i struggle with constantly. i can only imagine how much harder it is for a gay male to struggle with their cross especially since they know they can’t marry, but chastity and celibacy is indeed a cross we have to bear. remember they’re just hormones and emotions, and they can’t defeat you if you have God. even a straight male must consider religious life which means a lifetime of celibacy, so if they can do it, gay men can resist it also.

if only other gay men and women understood the teachings of the Church and the love of God as you do. unfortunately there aren’t many. in fact probably just plain rare indeed. so who’s going to help them? maybe you’re called to share your understanding with them !

 

[francesco920]

It might be interesting to look at this issue from a different perspective. I am a “gay” man. I am also a Catholic. I know that Jesus loves me, and the Church loves me.

I do not choose my inclinations, but I do choose my actions. I do not practice my homosexuality. It does not take a brain surgeon or a theologian to figure out that people of the same sex aren’t supposed to have sex. it is not biologically condusive and the Bible speaks against it in many places.

I know the feelings gay people have. The feelings are very strong. However, they cannot be encouraged to act out in any way. They just don’t get it. The Church will not give them any special treatment or recognize their relationships because they are just plain sinful. I think it is absolutely ubsurd that “Gays” have gotten as far as they have gaining legal status and such. the whole thing is just ubsurd. Any person who discovers they have these feelings should treat it as a disease, that needs treatment, not embrace it. Lets pray for these people. lets pray that they realize what they are doing and stop harrassing the Church for speaking the truth.

Very, very well said!!!

The cross you carry must be quite a burden and I am sure you will be greatly rewarded for being faithful! GOD BLESS YOU!

 

[francesco920]

No some Bishops do this:

azstarnet.com/metro/184942

For some reason when I was reading this article I got a really weird image of radical feminists, homosexuals, and bishops holding hands in a circle and singing kumbaya

At any rate, I do not think it is a bad idea for bishops to reach out to people with homosexual tendencies, [rant]but as catholicguy918 said there shouldn’t be special treatment or acceptance of “alternative lifestyles”. I would also add that bishops should not recognize that “homosexuals” exist. There is no such thing as a homosexual; there are only men and women, some of which have homosexual tendencies. These tendencies do not define who they are. The word “gender” should also be avoided IMO. We are born a certain sex and that’s it.[/rant]

 

[GregoryPalamas]

It might be interesting to look at this issue from a different perspective. I am a “gay” man. I am also a Catholic. I know that Jesus loves me, and the Church loves me.

I do not choose my inclinations, but I do choose my actions. I do not practice my homosexuality. It does not take a brain surgeon or a theologian to figure out that people of the same sex aren’t supposed to have sex. it is not biologically condusive and the Bible speaks against it in many places.

I know the feelings gay people have. The feelings are very strong. However, they cannot be encouraged to act out in any way. They just don’t get it. The Church will not give them any special treatment or recognize their relationships because they are just plain sinful. I think it is absolutely ubsurd that “Gays” have gotten as far as they have gaining legal status and such. the whole thing is just ubsurd. Any person who discovers they have these feelings should treat it as a disease, that needs treatment, not embrace it. Lets pray for these people. lets pray that they realize what they are doing and stop harrassing the Church for speaking the truth.

I will pray for these folk and for you. Would you also pray for me. Anyone who is serious about overcoming their temptations are victors in Christ. I need their prayers.

CDL

 

[dympnha]

Sad little boys throwing tantrums in public.

 

[Riley259]

It might be interesting to look at this issue from a different perspective. I am a “gay” man. I am also a Catholic. I know that Jesus loves me, and the Church loves me.

I do not choose my inclinations, but I do choose my actions. I do not practice my homosexuality. It does not take a brain surgeon or a theologian to figure out that people of the same sex aren’t supposed to have sex. it is not biologically condusive and the Bible speaks against it in many places.

I know the feelings gay people have. The feelings are very strong. However, they cannot be encouraged to act out in any way. They just don’t get it. The Church will not give them any special treatment or recognize their relationships because they are just plain sinful. I think it is absolutely ubsurd that “Gays” have gotten as far as they have gaining legal status and such. the whole thing is just ubsurd. Any person who discovers they have these feelings should treat it as a disease, that needs treatment, not embrace it. Lets pray for these people. lets pray that they realize what they are doing and stop harrassing the Church for speaking the truth.

God bless you for your courage to speak the truth. I will pray for you and others who are burdened with same-sex attractions.

 

[urban-hermit]

It might be interesting to look at this issue from a different perspective. I am a “gay” man. I am also a Catholic. I know that Jesus loves me, and the Church loves me.

I do not choose my inclinations, but I do choose my actions. I do not practice my homosexuality. It does not take a brain surgeon or a theologian to figure out that people of the same sex aren’t supposed to have sex. it is not biologically condusive and the Bible speaks against it in many places.

I know the feelings gay people have. The feelings are very strong. However, they cannot be encouraged to act out in any way. They just don’t get it. The Church will not give them any special treatment or recognize their relationships because they are just plain sinful. I think it is absolutely ubsurd that “Gays” have gotten as far as they have gaining legal status and such. the whole thing is just ubsurd. Any person who discovers they have these feelings should treat it as a disease, that needs treatment, not embrace it. Lets pray for these people. lets pray that they realize what they are doing and stop harrassing the Church for speaking the truth.

Welcome to the forums, Catholicguy - and thanks for posting this

I am also a Catholic man who lives a chaste celibate life.
We seem to be multiplying ! heh heh
Praise the Lord, and all glory to Him.
I think it is because so many people have been praying for us and God is answering.

Keep up the good work and special thanks for all who pray for the lost.
I was one of them and I have no doubt it was others’ prayers that brought me back to the Church and worship of God.

 

[goofyjim]

As many here know I experience same sex attraction myself. Yet I do not act on it and do no treat it as a disease. I simply accept it.