Catholic Gays Challenge Church Authority

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bones_IV said:
Homosexuality is a disorder.
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If one does not act on it, it need not be treated as a disease. One can live quite comfortably as a chaste, celibate homosexual and never step foot in a psychiatrist’s office. But we stray off topic.
 
goofyjim said:
If one does not act on it, it need not be treated as a disease. One can live quite comfortably as a chaste, celibate homosexual and never step foot in a psychiatrist’s office. But we stray off topic.
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2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
 
bones_IV said:
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
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Regardless, they are not required to get treatment for their condition if they are not acting out.
 
The discussion is getting sidetracked. Please get back on topic. Thank you.
 
I would like to thank everyone for their positive responses and their prayers. I will pray for all of you. God Bless all of You.
 
catholicguy918 said:
I would like to thank everyone for their positive responses and their prayers. I will pray for all of you. God Bless all of You.
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May God truly bless you gentlemen who have shared the story of your burden. May God continue to strengthen you that you may remain faithful, and if it be His will, to lighten your burden.

I attended Mass this Pentecost Sunday several hundred miles from home (as my family and I were vacationing during Memorial Day weekend), and my wife noticed what she thought were several ‘gay’ men in the congregation. No demonstrations or sashes. But I did pray for them all - begging either God to grant them the grace to remain faithful if they are genuinely struggling to live in accordance with the Church’s teaching or for God to convict their hearts of their sin and lead them to repentance.

In Christ,
Irenaeus
 
bones_IV said:
To those sash fools who think the Church is irrevelant, please leave. If it is hopeless, why stay? We will not condone your filthy death style anymore than we condone any sin, so please stop trying to force our hand.

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I only have these words from St. Paul:

1 Corth 11: 21-30 said:
21 For every one taketh before his own supper to eat. And one indeed is hungry and another is drunk. 22 What, have you not houses to eat and to drink in? Or despise ye the church of God; and put them to shame that have not? What shall I say to you? Do I praise you? In this I praise you not. 23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread. 24 And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this is my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me. 25 In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me.

26 For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. 27 Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. 30 Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you, and many sleep.
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irenaeus1 said:
May God truly bless you gentlemen who have shared the story of your burden. May God continue to strengthen you that you may remain faithful, and if it be His will, to lighten your burden.

I attended Mass this Pentecost Sunday several hundred miles from home (as my family and I were vacationing during Memorial Day weekend), and my wife noticed what she thought were several ‘gay’ men in the congregation. No demonstrations or sashes. But I did pray for them all - begging either God to grant them the grace to remain faithful if they are genuinely struggling to live in accordance with the Church’s teaching or for God to convict their hearts of their sin and lead them to repentance.

In Christ,
Irenaeus
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:tsktsk: One cannot tell whether another is “gay”. There are no common elements unless one publicly states it.
 
goofyjim said:
:tsktsk: One cannot tell whether another is “gay”. There are no common elements unless one publicly states it.
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Quite true. To insist on anything else places an unfair burden upon young people who may be different from the majority but may not have same sex attractions. I wish to encourage those who have given this temptation over to God and are live a chaste life but I wish to distance myself from those who brag about their bad behavior and insist that it is not sin.

CDL
 
goofyjim said:
:tsktsk: One cannot tell whether another is “gay”. There are no common elements unless one publicly states it.
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No. One cannot ALWAYS tell whether or not another is “gay”. But certainly it can be somewhat determined some of the time. As in this case, when two men sitting in the pew immediately in front of us waves and motions a little “toodle-doo” to two men seated two pews behind and off to the left of us (two men by the way who were kneeling awfully close to one another in an otherwise empty pew), this along with their dress, their carriage and so forth, one could safely surmise as such. BUT, I was not condemning them… I was praying for them (and all those with SSA in general, as stated in my previous posting).
In Christ,
Irenaeus
 
BillP said:
By what authority do you suggest that sinners leave the Church?
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:rolleyes: Huh? Here’s a hint.

Romans 1:24 Wherefore God gave them up to the desires of their heart, unto uncleanness, to dishonour their own bodies among themselves. 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. 27 And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error.
 
Rainbow Sash Movement Organization of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender “Catholics” who “demand” that the Church change its teachings on homosexuality so that they can live out their lives of burning intrinsically disordered lust. (See Romans 1:26-27)
 
aimee said:
Rainbow Sash Movement Organization of gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender “Catholics” who “demand” that the Church change its teachings on homosexuality so that they can live out their lives of burning intrinsically disordered lust. (See Romans 1:26-27)
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The GLTB community is one that talks about “love” but refuses to shut it’s mouth.
 
bones_IV said:
The GLTB community is one that talks about “love” but refuses to shut it’s mouth.
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I have already proclaimed my celibacy for God but to tell me that homosexuality has nothing to do with love is also alittle unChristian. Same sex attraction in most cannot be changed and has to do with love alot more than lust. It’s just that it is a forbidden love under the current circumstances. Now if God were to come down tomorrow and say it was okay I would enter a homosexual relationship at the drop of a hat.
 
goofyjim said:
I have already proclaimed my celibacy for God but to tell me that homosexuality has nothing to do with love is also alittle unChristian. Same sex attraction in most cannot be changed and has to do with love alot more than lust. It’s just that it is a forbidden love under the current circumstances. Now if God were to come down tomorrow and say it was okay I would enter a homosexual relationship at the drop of a hat.
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That’s the vocabulary of the enemy, Satan.

The Church calls it disordered, not an orientation. There is absolutely no scientific proof of “orientation” (which implies you believe you were born with a desire for the same gender).

PLEASE call Courage

www.couragerc.net
 
bones_IV said:
That’s the vocabulary of the enemy, Satan.

The Church calls it disordered, not an orientation. There is absolutely no scientific proof of “orientation” (which implies you believe you were born with a desire for the same gender).

PLEASE call Courage

www.couragerc.net
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I prefer to call it an orientation because there is mounting evidence of prenatal hormonal disposition towards such, just like alcoholism. Doesn’t make the behavior right but might change the language of the Church a little.
 
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