Catholic guy dating a JW girl.. Please help..

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I was married to a JW for 15 yrs. I studied with their elders for 3 yrs. I never gave up my Catholic beliefs throughout that whole time. The approach I would take is to show her and her family in the bible where it says that a wife should be submissive to her husband , that he is the leader of the family in the faith. Therefore, if she is to be your wife, she should submit to your headship of the family. Now on your part, you need to prepare yourself in the apologetics of the catholic faith. The JW’s have a systematic program for indoctrination. In their thinking, there is an answer for everything and their books and writings are very easy to reference any topic. You will need to know the Catholic answers to these questions or topics.

I will tell you from my experience, it was a very difficult existence. There was no celebrating Christmas, Birthdays, Holidays of any kind. They would not stand for the national anthem at football games, etc etc. They will not give your Catholic faith any dignity in fact they will ridicule the catholic church. If you question their faith or dont accept what they tell you about their faith as fact , you are ostracized.

The straw that broke the camels back was when i questioned their belief that Jesus Christ was actually Michael the Arch Angel. I read every reference they guided me to. In the end i said that while God did send Michael to each to perform many task, the passages in no way show that Jesus was the arch angel, it was just a prepostion on their part to make the connection. After that the elder made some kind of statement about wasting their pearls on swine , he walked out and ive never spoken with him again. They also dont believe in the Trinity.

They very seldom socially associate with anyone outside of their faith to keep members from straying I guess. My entire social life was surrounded by JW’s. They kept hoping i would convert , but they knew i was too steeped in my Catholic faith. Within the JW society there is a lot of pressure applied to their members. If your GF shows any wavering in the JW faith, she will be ostracized by her own family. I mean they will not even speak to her. I seen it myself. JW’s will walk into the house , speak to the children and not speak to the one ostracized. Your GF is very aware of this and is afraid of being ostracized. I promise you that if you assert your Fatih headship of the family and propose that your GF/wife begin studying the Catholic faith, she will choose her family and friends over you. It is a very closed society.

My observations of the JW organization. It is a book publishing empire. Members of the JW’s are required to purchase magazines that are to be distributed door to door. Each member has allocations they are required to meet. Each week, members are called to report how many magazines they bought and how many they placed in homes. If they’re numbers are down, they are chastized for not doing enough. They are required to go door to door and have to schedule themselves for these sales appointments( i call them). If they find someone interested in talking to them , they set up more appointments and then push books on them. My house was full of books. To meet requirements of purchases, JW’s will just purchase them to keep the heat off their backs. We had cases and cases of magazines, bibles, and other books they publish. They set your contribution to the church and the amount of litature your are required to purchase by your income. The supposed height of your volunteerism in the faith is to go live up in New York state where the printing company is located, live in dormotory conditions and work for free at the publishing company. There is a small group of elders/editors who live there and run the whole church and decide what is in their publications.

I can promise you this. Trying to convert your GF to the Catholic faith will require her love for you to be greater than her love for her family. She knows that if she follows your headship into the CC, her family will disown her. Know this going in. Your existence with her as a Catholic, will be one of giving up your beliefs and traditions. My first year of marriage, I brought home a Christmas tree to put up for the family. I got so much grief over it. The tree remained up, they would not even go into that room, the kids were told not to help me with the decorations or they would be punished. My wife made sure I would be so miserable about it that i would never get a tree again for christmas. Other JW’s would not set foot in the house at all while the tree was up. I was under the illusion that i would be able to still celebrate what i believe in but i was wrong. The only church you will be able to attend together will be her church, not yours. I went to church alone for 15 years. I couldnt receive communion for 15 years because my wife , who was married as a catholic would not go through the annulement proceedings so we could have our marriage blessed in the church. She would not do anything associated with the CC. So i was held hostage by her and her faith. This was a very difficult time for me.

I will pray for you and your situation. Only prayer will help you through this difficult decision. I suggest you throw a few trials out there before you make your decision. Now i wasnt told the truth when i questioned my wife and the elders before i got married. I was under the impression that we would both support each other in our faiths but it was one sided. Try and think of all the issues that could arise from being of two faiths and ask your GF and her family how they would react. For instance, will she be allowed to study the CC with you and at bible studies, will she be able to attend mass with you. How will the children be raised, etc etc. You will get a picture of how your life together with her will be. Then it is up to you how you want to live your life.
 
You do not want to reject your religion and embrace hers.
She does not want to reject her religion and embrace yours.
To make this work, one of you would have to make a fundamental shift, either under pressure or by choice. Right now it looks like you’re the one under pressure to do so, and you’re wishing that the one pressuring you to change would convert by choice? :confused:
Unless the situation changes, you will have to embrace a false system in order to embrace the girl. Do you really want to do this? What’s it going to be like a few years down the road when both of you know that you don’t really accept many things that are very important to her? That won’t be good for either one of you, certainly not for your marriage. 😦
 
Though I am not a Roman Catholic, I agree with everything said above. It sounds like manipulation, not true love, on your girlfriends part. Now I agree she should love Jehovah more than you. But she does not know or worship the true Jehovah. Jehovah is the Triune God- Father, Son and Holy Spirit. NOT the “god” worshipped by the JWs. This is the ancient heresy of Arianism and was condemned by the Church at the Council of Nicea. You have more in common with a conservative Baptist, who at least worships the Trinity and believes in the doctrines taught at Nicea, than you do a JW. So listen my friend to the advice given by others and at least insist that if you have to go to her Bible studies, she needs to attend an RCIA class to at least understand the Catholic faith.
 
My first year of marriage, I brought home a Christmas tree to put up for the family. I got so much grief over it. The tree remained up, they would not even go into that room, the kids were told not to help me with the decorations or they would be punished. My wife made sure I would be so miserable about it that i would never get a tree again for christmas. Other JW’s would not set foot in the house at all while the tree was up. I was under the illusion that i would be able to still celebrate what i believe in but i was wrong.
The only church you will be able to attend together will be her church, not yours. I went to church alone for 15 years. I couldnt receive communion for 15 years because my wife , who was married as a catholic would not go through the annulement proceedings so we could have our marriage blessed in the church.
Thanks for your post. Very clear picture of the problems associated with a JW/Catholic marriage.
 
I can promise you this. Trying to convert your GF to the Catholic faith will require her love for you to be greater than her love for her family. She knows that if she follows your headship into the CC, her family will disown her. Know this going in. Your existence with her as a Catholic, will be one of giving up your beliefs and traditions. My first year of marriage, I brought home a Christmas tree to put up for the family. I got so much grief over it. The tree remained up, they would not even go into that room, the kids were told not to help me with the decorations or they would be punished. My wife made sure I would be so miserable about it that i would never get a tree again for christmas. Other JW’s would not set foot in the house at all while the tree was up. I was under the illusion that i would be able to still celebrate what i believe in but i was wrong. The only church you will be able to attend together will be her church, not yours. I went to church alone for 15 years. I couldnt receive communion for 15 years because my wife , who was married as a catholic would not go through the annulement proceedings so we could have our marriage blessed in the church. She would not do anything associated with the CC. So i was held hostage by her and her faith. This was a very difficult time for me.
How sad for you but I think it’s important that he hear this man to man from someone who has been through it. Thanks for telling it like it is.
 
To be honest, if you are devoted to your faith and she is devoted to hers it will not work out.

I dated someone who was Catholic…I am not Catholic. Like you, we loved each other very much. Going into the relationship I thought that it would workout, but of course I was naive. Although the differences in our faith weren’t as significant as being a JW and Catholic, neither one of us was willing to budge when it came to our faith.

We started talking about marriage and what would happen and there were problems just with where we would get married and who would marry us! Then there were problems about how we would go to church. Would we split ways on Sundays and go to our separate churches? What about children? Would they be raised Catholic, or would they be raised Protestant? Were they going to be baptized in the Catholic Church? Would they be catechized and have their first communion?

If they weren’t raised Catholic there would be problems with his side of the family. If they were raised in the Catholic Church and not my church my family would be very upset.

Reality finally hit us and we realized no matter how much in love we were with each other it wouldn’t work out. Neither one of us was willing to compromise our faith. Even though it hurt a lot and we did love each other we knew we had to end it.

I say really think about it. She isn’t willing to leave her faith to become Catholic and you aren’t willing to become a JW. If neither of you are willing to compromise it is a lost cause and it should end before you get too deep into this relationship.
 
Here is another thing to think about. I also dated a non denominational christian girl. At that time I was studying the early church fathers and the scriptural basis of the CC. i found a website that i found very informative. scripturecatholic.com/

This site combines the scriptures and early church fathers writings on many of the church doctrines and teachings.

I begged my GF at the time to please read these scriptures and she did. After she had read them she began crying. Her statement affected me profoundly. She said that if all that she had just read was true, then everything she had read and been told all her life about God and her faith was a LIE.

Her reaction made me acutely aware of the difficulty it is for people to change their faith. Someone like your GF who was born a JW knows nothing else. For her to make such a change sincerely, would require the holy spirit to touch her soul and send her in search for the truth. This is not something you can force upon people, it has to be something within them that causes them to find answers outside of what they are familiar with. It takes them outside of their comfort zone. It is prob the hardest thing anyone will have to deal with in their lifetime. Our beliefs are something we all hold dearly and no one likes to admit they were wrong. Changing ones faith is the most difficult admission of being wrong there is.

Keep this in mind if you feel that somehow you and your GF can co exist or that she will eventually convert to the CC.
 
We’re inlove with each other so much… But I know very well the trials… Is there still a way for me to fight for this relationship? She said that she’ll be waiting for me until I understands her faith so much… By that time,we’ll be married… I’m so confused…😦
It is best to be honest with her and not compromise yourself with lies, which is against both your religions…I have never heard of a JW married to a practicing Catholic? Where would you take the sacraments for marriage, how will you raise your children to believe in GOD?

Love is probably the most difficult emotion, strongest, no doubt…she has been raised and surrounded by JW, her whole life and the family ties are as strong as yours, in being Catholic…do not marry before all these issues are clear and the boundaries set, or else, disappointment and anger, division and even hate, are emotions which may grow and change from love…
 
Respectfully, real love involves doing what is right and best for the other person, regardless of your personal wants and feelings. Real love is based on decisions and actions and not simply a feeling. This young lady appears to be setting conditions on the circumstances inwhich she will return love and / or accept love from you. This is not love… this is infatuation. Love isn’t so selfish as to demand another changes on the threat of that love being withheld and/or the relationship terminated. My advice… find a good Catholic young lady. They’re out there.
It is love, but in a lesser degree. She is doing what our man ought to be doing considering he has the truth and she doesn’t - setting standards. The problem is the force or manipulation involved. Yes, as someone who cherishes her faith, she should be able to do what is necessary not to lose it, but she doesn’t say that. She makes it sound like he needs this bible study because to her he does. She has allowed hrself to love him in the hope that he will love EVERYTHING about her including her faith, and in this way she appeases her greater love, Jehovah. If he doesn’t convert, she’ll more likely choose the greater love, but I can assure you she will remain as long as there is even a glimmer of hope.
 
It is love, but in a lesser degree.
Again, respectfully I disagree. I think too often people confuse love with a feeling, an infatuation, an attraction, and/or lust. Love is a decision, a labor, an action.
She is doing what our man ought to be doing considering he has the truth and she doesn’t - setting standards. The problem is the force or manipulation involved.
And there is the evidence that it isn’t love… “the force or manipulation involved.” She has set a condition on her “love.” True love seeks the betterment of the other unconditionally.

Having said this, I’ll continue by saying that this is a prime example of why Catholics should “set standards” when it comes to looking for a spouse. Number one on the list is that the other MUST be a practicing Catholic. Had the OP had this as a priority, he wouldn’t now be going through this anguish. In the future, assuming that he does not walk away from the Church over this young lady, he should put this at the top of his list.

Now to the OP… my advice to you is to stop this before it goes any further. Please don’t come back with “but we love each other” because this is not love. It is less than that… it is a feeling and though it be a strong feeling, it is still not love. Going foreword, you will only be wasting time and more importantly, risking your faith.
 
It’s so heartwarming and overjoying to read your replies, knowing that I just joined this forum yesterday. I really appreciate your help guys.

Right now, I’m in reluctance if I will join the bible study or not. It’s totally against my faith. To be honest, I’ve a little background in apologetics. She’s always emphasizing that she really loves me, and I believe it. She’s giving me the freedom to bible study in her religion or not. What’s certain,sadly,she can’t promise that after 3 years if I don’t learn her religion,that we will be together in married life.

She’s always telling me that she loves me more than anyone else, except Jehovah. She’s telling me she’s in great joy while serving Jehovah or God. Also, she’s afraid that her family and church friends will turn her back to her if she choose me. I’m considering now to present her stumpers against JW beliefs. In know if she loves Jehovah in truth, she’ll be openminded and consider my arguments.

What’s funny is that we’re very young. She’s just 17 while I’m 20. Another reason her mother (her father just died this May 2011) do not to allow us to be together at this age is because the girl is too young. Ideally,according to her,her mother will approved if the girl is 20 years old. That’s why she’s giving me 3 years and she’ll be waiting for me. Her another fear is that if turned her back to JW beliefs, she won’t see her father in the eternal life,in paradise(JW paradise). That’s her greatest fear.

I hope is not too late share the Gospel of Christ to her. I guess if she’ll hate me for loving Christ, then I have no choice but move on. But still, I will find ways to save this relationship…
 
But still, I will find ways to save this relationship…
It doesn’t really matter how much you guys love each other, you really aren’t right for one another. You’re not the right man for her and she’s not the right woman for you.

You are still young, go find someone you can have a really great life with. Share holidays and birthdays with. Go to Mass with. That’s what we’re saying here. You have your whole life ahead of you. Is this your first serious relationship? I know it seems like this is the most important thing ever but you’ll look back and know that it wasn’t. There will be others.
 
It doesn’t really matter how much you guys love each other, you really aren’t right for one another. You’re not the right man for her and she’s not the right woman for you.

You are still young, go find someone you can have a really great life with. Share holidays and birthdays with. Go to Mass with. That’s what we’re saying here. You have your whole life ahead of you. Is this your first serious relationship? I know it seems like this is the most important thing ever but you’ll look back and know that it wasn’t. There will be others.
To be honest, this is my first one… And there’s a part of me saying that this is just a test in our relationship… 😦
 
To be honest, this is my first one… And there’s a part of me saying that this is just a test in our relationship… 😦
No one ever knows what they’re doing in their first relationship. Or at least I didn’t… I got manipulated as well. You will gain confidence as you get older and date different people. Women don’t really want a man who’s a push over anyway.

God Bless!
 
No one ever knows what they’re doing in their first relationship. Or at least I didn’t… I got manipulated as well. You will gain confidence as you get older and date different people. Women don’t really want a man who’s a push over anyway.

God Bless!
What do you mean a push over?..
 
To be honest, this is my first one… And there’s a part of me saying that this is just a test in our relationship… 😦
When a person is deciding on what kind of life they want they need to think more with their head and less with the heart.

Do you want a Catholic home? because a devoted JW woman will not let you have a Catholic home.

Your children will not have a solid Catholic faith and will be at risk of losing any faith they have. Do you want that for your children?

Do you want to preserve your family traditions? The little things you did as a child during the holidays and on birthdays.

being in love is like the icing on the cake but without a solid cake foundation the icing melts away when things get hot. Life gets hard when you marry. There are joys yes but struggles too. If you can’t pull together you will pull apart eventually and that will tear apart the lives of your children.

This wonderful, loving feeling can be overwhelming and at your young age can seem like the real thing and maybe even your only chance at a deep love. If you leave her, you will find love again.

The fact that you are posting on this list is a red flag for you. The Holy Spirit is saying you must choose between your faith and this woman. If you love her, let her find a match best suited to make her happy for a lifetime.

Trust Jesus and put it in his hands. Stop trying to control the situation and God will fix it for you.
 
Guys…I need more advices… 😦
My advice is to find another woman to love. The whole point of them wanting you to study is to convert you. If they see that won’t happen, what then? Are you prepared to spend your life with a woman (and her family) that don’t share your values?

How will you maintain your Catholic faith? How will you feel when she objects to celebrating Christmas? How will you feel about not celebrating Easter? or Birthdays? How will you raise your children and protect them from JW theology? Are you prepared to lose your future children to being JW’s? Are you prepared to have your wife out of the home three or four days a week with different JW meetings? Willing to sacrafice Saturdays so she can go out doing door to door stuff?

Here’s the test. Agree to the study ONLY IF she will also go to RCIA to have a better understanding of the Catholic faith. If she refuses (and she will) then I recommend you move on…

I’m speaking from experience…I was married to a JW. If you are a man of faith and she is a woman of faith…you’ll have little common ground on which to build your relationship.
 
I’m taking into consideration your suggestions and insights. She’s not forcing me to convert… However, she says she loves Jehovah before me… I’m powerless when she said that statement…
Tell her you also love God more than her…and that you find him in the Catholic Church…not the Kingdom Hall or the Watchtower.
 
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