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Califman831
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Good move on the part of the school administration. I question why any homo would go work for an organization trying to spread God’s truth that homosexuality is a sin.
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Elizabeth502
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OP, there are other threads that also discuss similar cases in Catholic schools, although mostly those other cases are focused on registering students (families) in those schools, as opposed to faculty or administrators. (There are some cases that do include faculty or administrators.)
My opinion is summed up in this quote from the article:
I’m sure there are posters who will come here and deliver their own spin on what their opinion is of what a Catholic school’s mission “should” be, but their opinion is immaterial. Catholic schools know what their mission is. Some administrators, and some bishops, may or may not enforce that mission diligently, depending (cynically, in some cases) on the wish for administrators for popularity in the community, the wish for church officials for revenue, etc. But there is no question what the mission of Catholic education is, and that mission has not changed since Catholic schools began. Because the population of the US has changed, Catholic schools may look different now than they did when they started, but that is about demographics, economics, and migration – not about the mission of Catholic schools.
My opinion is summed up in this quote from the article:
And in response to the woman’s charge of “hypocrisy” (inconsistency), the issue is the public stance, not private belief, private adherence. Every Catholic school should do its reasonable best in ensuring that both families and staff reflect adherence to Catholic beliefs and values, but it will not be a 100% perfect effort on the part of any school. A specific public step (such as gay “marriage”) or public statement/behavior (such as public advocacy of a non-Catholic position) does call into question the appropriateness of that placement for that individual. Add to that the idea that this is a role model and leader, and the situation becomes problematic for the main mission of the school, which is not “Anything Goes Because God Loves Everybody,” but the communication of distinctly Catholic values, and the leadership toward that end (not a different end), within a secular culture.
I’m sure there are posters who will come here and deliver their own spin on what their opinion is of what a Catholic school’s mission “should” be, but their opinion is immaterial. Catholic schools know what their mission is. Some administrators, and some bishops, may or may not enforce that mission diligently, depending (cynically, in some cases) on the wish for administrators for popularity in the community, the wish for church officials for revenue, etc. But there is no question what the mission of Catholic education is, and that mission has not changed since Catholic schools began. Because the population of the US has changed, Catholic schools may look different now than they did when they started, but that is about demographics, economics, and migration – not about the mission of Catholic schools.
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Mark77
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**What a shock!
i’m sure the school & Archdioceses will be vilified & sued for millions of $$$$$$$$$$ for trying to uphold their Catholic beliefs.
This woman said; "“I married my partner this summer,” Judd said. “I was hoping that my loyalty, my professionalism the last 12 years would supersede the current hypocrisy that has already been shown with the Diocese of Springfield.”
i really feel sorry for the students who are betrayed & so confused by the hypocrisy of an openly gay woman working at a Catholic school as their “Dean of students.”
It’s like an openly pro-abortion person working as the Vice President of Priests for life???**
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
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i’m sure the school & Archdioceses will be vilified & sued for millions of $$$$$$$$$$ for trying to uphold their Catholic beliefs.
This woman said; "“I married my partner this summer,” Judd said. “I was hoping that my loyalty, my professionalism the last 12 years would supersede the current hypocrisy that has already been shown with the Diocese of Springfield.”
i really feel sorry for the students who are betrayed & so confused by the hypocrisy of an openly gay woman working at a Catholic school as their “Dean of students.”
It’s like an openly pro-abortion person working as the Vice President of Priests for life???**
Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!
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DexUK
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Please note that the description of a homosexual person as a “homo” is understood to be pejorative, insulting and offensive to many people, the world wide, and not just amongst homosexuals.
Furthermore you are wrong in saying that ‘God’s truth’ is that homosexuality is a sin. It isn’t. It’s fornication that’s the sin. Simply having a homosexual orientation is not sinful and the Church has said so officially.
When having a debate on the matter, it’s probably a good idea to start from a standpoint of accuracy about what the Church believes as well as trying hard not to offend people in the use of language (which the Church has also warned us not to do).
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OKAstro
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I support this move 100%
Kudos to the school for walking the talk!!
Kudos to the school for walking the talk!!
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mexico
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I just think that she already knew it was going to happen if is worked at a Catholic school, but the article stated that plenty of other staff members are not upholding “traditional” Catholic values, but they still have their jobs, it may not be true but if it is then that is really messed up. =/
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jilly4ski
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Except that she **publicly **married another woman. The school is not going to go through people’s medicine to see if they use contraceptives, or make them take a “test” on their beliefs, but if one publicly goes against the teachings of the Church, like if they made a pro-abortion statement in the media or was giving kids condoms, then they too would have lost their jobs.
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Elizabeth502
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Again, read the difference between public and private. It was already explained to you.
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mexico
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Thats Elizabeth I didn’t see your post.
Great explaination thanks.
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Dale_M
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Yes, the very idea of a Catholic school is that the school is Catholic. Teaching by example, as well as by word, is part of the employment contract. If a someone doesn’t want to live by such a restriction, they can work for a non-Catholic school.
However, I wonder if Catholic schools haven’t drifted from the “by example” part. Certainly the woman who lost her job feels that way. She mentions that many school employees violate Church teaching in their lives and do so openly.
Is there a trend of Catholic schools becoming more strict about this “walk the talk” standard? I know here in the state of Iowa we had a long running controversy of a popular high school football coach who was fired for divorcing and remarrying even though the previous marriage was considered valid. And more recently, a high school teacher was fired for posting on her Facebook account that she had doubts about the existence of God and for commenting in the forums of an Atheist website.
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Elizabeth502
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I hope so. It’s certainly overdue.
But the other side of the coin is one oft-addressed on CAF and other forums: One has to wonder why anyone would want to be in that visible a position within an organization whose tenets are so essentially at odds with their own lifestyle. The only explanation is that such people foolishly believe they can change those organizations by being vocal. And that in itself shows how very little they understand the very institution they have joined.
I guess an alternative explanation could be that they have little respect for the setting they are being asked to represent, but that is also unacceptable. When I go to work for a company, I am told that I represent that secular company and have a responsibility to present it in a positive fashion, or I should choose not to work there.
I would very much not like to work in the government of Communist China. Ditto for the government of Mexico. In both cases I don’t care how much money I were offered. In both cases it would mean not being myself. Either I’d have to live a duplicitous life, or I’d have to repress my preferred convictions. Neither one is honest, or healthy for the soul. And to work in a Catholic environment in a position of leadership, but have decidedly unCatholic messages posted on Facebook is so fundamentally dishonest that the lack of integrity itself (never mind the content) should be grounds for firing.
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carollw
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I am so pleased to see this school stand by the Catechism and all that it teaches.
I wish more Catholic institutions and even parishes had the same courage and moral conviction.
I wish more Catholic institutions and even parishes had the same courage and moral conviction.
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JoDee
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This woman said; "“I married my partner this summer,” Judd said. “I was hoping that my loyalty, my professionalism the last 12 years would supersede the current hypocrisy that has already been shown with the Diocese of Springfield.”
If the Diocese did not take action against her THEN it would be showing hypocrisy by not acting according to its teaching.
If the Diocese did not take action against her THEN it would be showing hypocrisy by not acting according to its teaching.
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CathFaith1
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You either believe the faith or you don’t.
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reggieM
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She may have a somewhat good reason to feel hurt or betrayed. She must have been working in a climate of tolerance for rejection of Catholic teaching and lifestyle - and then suddenly was surprised that her marriage caused her to be fired. So, she thinks this is inconsistent because other Catholics violate Church teaching also.
But that’s the problem one faces when trying to correct laxity and dissent which has been in place (we could say “habitual”) for decades.
Her thought may be that the school should continue to tolerate various levels of public scandal. But the correct answer is for Catholic schools to demand consistency with belief and practice – especially among leaders and teachers of youth. Those are roles that require higher levels of moral responsibility.
As mentioned elsewhere – I certainly hope so. It’s been desperately needed for a long time. Walking-the-talk is merely being serious and consistent in one’s belief and one’s action. Catholic schools exist to communicate religious values to students, and that means that teachers must really be proficient in living those values.
I am very encouraged and glad to hear about that. Catholic schools have been in a disasterous situation for many years and I think administrators have finally discovered that teachers need to live the faith in order to communicate it successfully.
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TheBoss918
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I just threw up a little in my mouth. Homosexuality itself is not a sin. Ignorant comments like this are why so many people resist the Faith.
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Rick09
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I agree. There’s no place for demeaning language like that. Homosexuality is not a sin. It’s a disordered sexual attraction.
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Neil_Anthony
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What’s really sad is that this coach thinks being fired is some kind of hypocrisy against people with same-sex attaction. There are all these Catholics out there who have absolutely no understanding of Catholicism. I put the blame on the shepherds who were supposed to be teaching these things, but neglected it for 40 years.
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reggieM
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Perhaps off-topic, but I’ve wondered about the “homosexuality is not a sin” response.
How does one validate that he is truly a homosexual? Does the identification of homosexuality follow from certain factors?
Also, what percentage of instances is homosexuality aligned with (the cause of) sinful behavior? 95% of the time?
How does one validate that he is truly a homosexual? Does the identification of homosexuality follow from certain factors?
Also, what percentage of instances is homosexuality aligned with (the cause of) sinful behavior? 95% of the time?
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