and who made you the judge of the CC? and who are listen to?Has anyone else delved into Catholic history and found the utter corruption and moral depravity shocking? I find it hard to really be proud of my Catholic roots when there is sooooooo much corruption in it. I wish it was one or two isolated incidences but corruption and lust for power seem to pervade every second of the Church’s history.And it continues to this day.
I agree,& as a catholic I cant believe that if God finds us one time off guard that we will go to hell. I dont say this But I have heard it said that if there is a God he`s a terrible god,I have heard this from catholics too,I am sure a few of u have heard it too.Most say that hell is on earth.These are not necessarily my beliefs, just things I hear.We must rely on Gods mercy.May Gods divine mercy shine down upon us all!
that is not what is being argued. Do you realize that these imperfect men have the ability to excommunicate you from the church which basically damns you to hell? And in the past people were excommunicated for things you would not be excommunicated now for.
Well, no, not really. If you’re excommunicated, then you’ve already done that yourself. The excommunication is just the Church letting you know that you need to repent and come back into the fold.
For example?
You don’t have to be perfect to exercise duly-given authority. Think Moses and David were perfect? Hardly.
Whether or not someone SAID I was in communion with the church would not change the fact that I was or was not in actuality, in communion with the church. There are many, many Catholics who are excommunicated latae sententiae. No one announced it. No one wrote it down. The Catholics themselves probably don’t even know it. But they are. How would any official proclamation change what’s in someone’s heart?
Then I repented. Now I’m not excommunicated. I don’t believe the Vatican would ever allow this.I can’t remember that ,but i do remember there was a discussion that mentioned that nuns that were in Africa working, in case of rape were allowed birth control or even abortion by the Vatican to prevent pregnancy and child birth also probably in any third world country not just Africa…
As others have pointed out to you, an excommunication does not damn someone to hell. The fact that RCs thought that in the past just goes to show that we are fallible, like anyone else.
Over-simplification, friend.
i have wondered to about this question. Its confusing when people say it is the one true church and yet these things have happened. Isn’t the Holy Spirit strong enough to stop this corruption?Has anyone else delved into Catholic history and found the utter corruption and moral depravity shocking? I find it hard to really be proud of my Catholic roots when there is sooooooo much corruption in it. I wish it was one or two isolated incidences but corruption and lust for power seem to pervade every second of the Church’s history.
It’s almost the same feeling I have for my favorite hospital. Dead bodies in the basement, sick people upstairs. Yet it is the best place to be in order to be saved from serious illness.
…and I trust that you will understand that, when I was sick and came to your favourite hosiptal, all those dead bodies in the basement caused me to think that I needed better doctors…doctors guided more by the Great Physician and less by the administration. The hospital next door proved to have a superior staff of that sort.It’s almost the same feeling I have for my favorite hospital. Dead bodies in the basement, sick people upstairs. Yet it is the best place to be in order to be saved from serious illness.
Can we please get something right. The Holy Spirit’s guidance is for Truth. Truth is bigger than the evil actions some people in the Church commit. That is why in the darkest days of the Church when it could have preached error, it still didn’t. The scoundrel Popes and bishops were too busy being scoundrels they did not teach.
No that wasn’t the Great Physician who was guiding your doctors, but an impostor. The Great Physician did warn that the impostor will appear to deceive and many will swallow the lie.…and I trust that you will understand that, when I was sick and came to your favourite hosiptal, all those dead bodies in the basement caused me to think that I needed better doctors…doctors guided more by the Great Physician and less by the administration. The hospital next door proved to have a superior staff of that sort.