Catholic history is disturbing

[ron77nyc]

The Irish are very loyal Catholics. Someone did something right over there.

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

Absolutely! Nothing like the slaughter of innocent Jews in Muslims after entering Jerusalem in 1099. I’d be excited too!

Let me remind you my friend that if you knew your history concerning the Catholic church and the Crusades and the Inquisition, you’d likely know that Catholics were justified in the Crusades. THANK GOD FOR THE CRUSADES because you’d be Muslim now. Remember, the Muslims started this and the Catholics just defended themselves.
Furthermore, the Inquisition was government. Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand wanted everyone to be Catholic, not the pope. They are the one’s responsible what went on. Even some Jews till this day have said good things about the Inquisition.

 

[ron77nyc]

I wasn’t even trying to start an argument and you did it all by yourself.

most younger Irish people are secularists and the majority border on agnostic, church attendance has fallen of massively in the last 20 years or so

If I had said this I think you’d have probably disagreed with me.

 

[ron77nyc]

Thanks man…for filling me in on that part of the world. I know very little about.

 

[elts1956]

But it has taught error. Therefore would you call the Catholic Church is not what you calim it to be,

When has “it” taught error? Nothing has been contradicted regarding doctrine and dogma.

 

[elts1956]

Hus that Jesus Christ, and not the Pope, was the supreme judge.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hus

My opinion is less souls were lost because of the Reformation thtn if there had not been one. Of course there is no way of knowing

Well, that could be true, because as I understand it, the Reformation was a wake up call to the hierarchiy of Holy Mother Church, so perhaps not as many died outside her grace as there might have been had her clergy not cleaned up their act. .

 

[Fisher]

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1Jo 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment:** because as he is, so are we in this world. **

2Cr 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

2Cr 13:6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.

1Jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Jam 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

 

[ron77nyc]

Errors of the Church:

Everyone must be under the authority of the pope to be saved.
There is no salvation for those who commit suicide.
The unbaptised have no hope of salvation.

 

[benedictus2]

It’s not true. Pius IX never wrote what was attributed to him above. Rad should apologize. I could never get Fr Ambrose to apologize after making such blunders. But, that would be the kind thing to do.

Them apologize for the lies they spread? Why, sure as pigs fly!

What beats me is, with all these claims that have been proved to be false, they still believe they can trust their sources.

Why, if I’d been lied to once, I’d distrust all other information I’ve been fed. There’s a very big probably they lies too.

So why insist on believing them? There seems to be a willful persistence to live in darkness despite the light.

Lazarus refusing to come out and preferring the tomb

 

[benedictus2]

Hus that Jesus Christ, and not the Pope, was the supreme judge.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hus

My opinion is less souls were lost because of the Reformation thtn if there had not been one. Of course there is no way of knowing

Opinion not backed by facts yet again.

 

[benedictus2]

WWW.REFORM.COM

I think you mean here www.reformation.com ?

 

[benedictus2]

My God the Lord God of Isreal is the same today as He was yesterday and will be tomorrow.
He is a God of holiness who expects His people to be holy. He gave of Himself to us so that we can walk in His statuates and His commandments.
He judged and chastised the children of Isreal when they departed from HIm.
If He is the same today as He was then would He not judge and chastise us?
The Roman Catholic Church has been judged but in the hardness of your heart you have not seen it.

And in your blindness you can’t see the truth, oing on and on about something that has already been refuted.

Who has judged the Church? You? Luther? Calvin?

No human being is able to judge the Church because it is Christ’s Church. It is answerable only to God.

Are saying that Christ Himself has found HIS OWN CHURCH WANTING? If I go by your reasoning, then you are saying Christ is to blame for the failings of His Church for after all, it was Him, who failed in His promise to preserve it from the gates of hell, if what you say is true.

Can you see where your reasoning is leading you to. You are calling your Lord and Saviour a LIAR.

The debauchery that was prevailant prior to 1500 turned many souls away from God and toward darkness.

I doubt that very much. It actually caused a lot of people to pray even more fervently for conversion. Some of the great saints came out during this time.

Do you have no compasssion for the lost souls wich were the result of the sins of Roman heirarchy?

Prove that there were souls lost because of them. Those who were debauched were the ones who were lost if they were at all, not those around them. They never taught them to do bad things even when they were doing it themselves.

Yes protestants have commited every sin known to mankind.
Protestants dont make the outlandish claims that Roman Catholics do.

And what claims have we made? That we are perfect? That we not sinners? Never.

The only claim we have made is that the Church is the True Church of Christ. And that is not outlandish. That is true. If you read a bit more history you will find that out to be the truth as well. But you prefer to remain in entombed in darkness even when you are being called out to the light.

I have been grafted unto Isreal I have not replaced her. I am a member of Christ Church not some exclusive church that denies the very body of Christ.

And how did you graft yourself unto Israel? The Catholic Church IS THE NEW ISRAEL.

Read “Honey from the Rock” and hear it straight from the mouth of Jews.

You are the one denying the Body of Christ by denying His Church here on it earth.

 

[CWBetts]

Errors of the Church:

Everyone must be under the authority of the pope to be saved.
There is no salvation for those who commit suicide.
The unbaptised have no hope of salvation.

The church does not teach the baptized have no hope for salvation, although that is generally the case, there can be exceptions. The thief on the cross for example.

 

[benedictus2]

Well, that could be true, because as I understand it, the Reformation was a wake up call to the hierarchiy of Holy Mother Church, so perhaps not as many died outside her grace as there might have been had her clergy not cleaned up their act. .

You’ve got a point there.

 

[Cinette]

Absolutely! Nothing like the slaughter of innocent Jews in Muslims after entering Jerusalem in 1099. I’d be excited too!

You have just demonstrated ignorance. Of course there were excesses. Also perhaps you should delve into history more and learn EXACTLY what took place during those times.

 

[Cinette]

The idea that you need faith in order to be save is implicit. What would one be doing in the Church anyway without Faith? What makes you get ready for Mass on a Sunday if you don’t have Faith? What is the point? Ron don’t you think that common sense tells you that you couldn’t do any of these things without Faith?

 

[Symux]

Has anyone else delved into Catholic history and found the utter corruption and moral depravity shocking? I find it hard to really be proud of my Catholic roots when there is sooooooo much corruption in it. I wish it was one or two isolated incidences but corruption and lust for power seem to pervade every second of the Church’s history. And it continues to this day.

Aye, this is the reason I am no longer a RC. It is hard to discover the history, and the people who made the decisions. When I first heard of this, it was taught to me by an ex-nun who married an ex-priest. I was too young at the time to know the ways of mankind, and fled from the church as though the hounds of Hell were after me. In truth, I believed they were.

It almost seemed as though Satan himself led the church.

I have grown much since then, and realize what Mother Superior told me when I was freaking out over this information. I didn’t understand it at the time, because I thought that the church had Jesus at its head and therefore was perfect. She told me that people make mistakes, and anything man has a hand in is bound to be as corrupted as he is.

That’s why we need Jesus, as no man is perfect. None are infallible. However, I chose not to speak of the events and church leadership.

Nothing against the Roman Catholic Church, but they have to open their eyes. The beast known as the main Anti-Christ is coming. What more could Satan want than to have a bunch of people believing that their church is perfect and their Pope is infallible. Trick one, and you get billions of followers.

 

[benedictus2]

Aye, this is the reason I am no longer a RC. It is hard to discover the history, and the people who made the decisions. When I first heard of this, it was taught to me by an ex-nun who married an ex-priest. I was too young at the time to know the ways of mankind, and fled from the church as though the hounds of Hell were after me. In truth, I believed they were.

It almost seemed as though Satan himself led the church.

I have grown much since then, and realize what Mother Superior told me when I was freaking out over this information. I didn’t understand it at the time, because I thought that the church had Jesus at its head and therefore was perfect. She told me that people make mistakes, and anything man has a hand in is bound to be as corrupted as he is.

That’s why we need Jesus, as no man is perfect. None are infallible. However, I chose not to speak of the events and church leadership.

Nothing against the Roman Catholic Church, but they have to open their eyes. The beast known as the main Anti-Christ is coming. What more could Satan want than to have a bunch of people believing that their church is perfect and their Pope is infallible. Trick one, and you get billions of followers.

Read through the thread. The answers to your accusations have already been gone over a few times. Hopefully, you will not be as blind and deaf as the others who have heard the truth and still prefer to believe the lies.

 

[benedictus2]

We should be thankful that the Crusades and Inquisitions were authorized. We should be ashamed at some of the excesses.

 

[Cinette]

Aye, this is the reason I am no longer a RC. It is hard to discover the history, and the people who made the decisions. When I first heard of this, it was taught to me by an ex-nun who married an ex-priest. I was too young at the time to know the ways of mankind, and fled from the church as though the hounds of Hell were after me. In truth, I believed they were.

It almost seemed as though Satan himself led the church.

I have grown much since then, and realize what Mother Superior told me when I was freaking out over this information. I didn’t understand it at the time, because I thought that the church had Jesus at its head and therefore was perfect. She told me that people make mistakes, and anything man has a hand in is bound to be as corrupted as he is.

That’s why we need Jesus, as no man is perfect. None are infallible. However, I chose not to speak of the events and church leadership.

Nothing against the Roman Catholic Church, but they have to open their eyes. The beast known as the main Anti-Christ is coming. What more could Satan want than to have a bunch of people believing that their church is perfect and their Pope is infallible. Trick one, and you get billions of followers.

Hey guys - stop right there and think!

The Catholic Church, which is the Church which Christ founded is both Divine and Human. Remember Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth and that He, Jesus, would be with us always. He meant it and he kept his promises.

Yes, there were excesses, there was corruption. This is why the Church has the Magisterium to define and teach and guide. The Church is always steering us on the straight path. We go off the rails and the Church steers us back. Can’t you see that?

With all the corruption and excesses the Church is in constant need for renewal and we are constantly renewing ourselves - we need to experience constant conversion.

The fact that the Church constantly purges itself and succeeds so beautifully despite corruption and abuse is a fantastic testimony to the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

I feel sorry for that ex-nun and that ex-priest. I can imagine the agony they must suffer when they think on what they turned their backs. I am willing to bet that.