Catholic history is disturbing

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What are your examples?
My example, was that it would be akin to atheism.
Yours is concrete, and you offer only one example, that I disagree is unforgiveable.
Of course it is forgiveable, to deny what you propose. All one needs to do is ask for forgiveness for that. They do have to know its something that needs forgiveness from.
 
I could be wrong, but blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is akin to outright atheism. It is not comparable to following a non catholic christian church.
Don’t worry, I don’t think any reasonable person would ever claim that following a non-Catholic Christian Church is ‘blasphemy of the Holy Spirit’.
 
Don’t worry, I don’t think any reasonable person would ever claim that following a non-Catholic Christian Church is ‘blasphemy of the Holy Spirit’.
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I agree, it would be an unreasonable thought.

My curiousity is peaked to hear why Hisalone thinks it is what she/he does think it means.
 
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is when the Holy Spirit does some work ie heals a sick person, that you deny that the Holy Spirit did in fact do this work and that it was Satan who did it.
I’ve heard people say that at a healing service. Does that mean they can never be forgiven or is the bible narrowing it down to the Jews who were present when Jesus was performing miracle?

Mark 3:28 Amen I say to you, that all sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and the blasphemies wherewith they shall blaspheme: 29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, shall never have forgiveness, but shall be guilty of an everlasting sin. 30 Because they said: He hath an unclean spirit.

Heb6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once illuminated, have tasted also the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 Have moreover tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 And are fallen away: to be renewed again to penance, crucifying again to themselves the Son of God, and making him a mockery.
 
The protestant revolution was a necessity to force the corrupted rulers to return back to God.

Wait a minute the word is Reformation which was a necessity - there were abuses and the Church needed to Reform. But you are right it was a Revolt - it was a breakaway, a total split. The actual Reformation (which we call the Counter Reformation) occured within the ChurchMany of the Bishops + in the 1500’s didn’t even believe in God. They bought their positions and ruled the church for the power it gave them. You can imagine that God wasn’t pleased with this. The church even discouraged people from reading the Bible. Yes, most people were illiterate, but even those who were able to read were discouraged from doing so. Were bibles printed by then? Yes I think the printing press was invented in the 1400s. But you do know why people were discouraged from reading the bible themselves? And you do know that during Mass there are several readings from the bible every day? Yes there was corruption and a clean up was necessary

Luther needed to force the church to become accountable for itself, and to God once more. This is not to say that the Roman Catholic Church is in any way bad, but horribly corrupt people abused Gods house for their own gain. They took money from people to pay for sins and help get loved ones into Heaven. This is true.

Once more, this is not a slam against the church. Back then the church was a very powerful institution, and those who craved power wriggled in. The Protestant revolution was not against anything found in the Bible, but against those things at the time which were anti-scripture and against God. Yes, and some people because priests and nuns to escape poverty and had no real vocation.

Most of that is not spoken of today, as it is recognized to be the act of a few individuals. However the revolution happened in Europe, where these individuals were acting. It was needed. You could call it God’s almighty backhand and shake up of the organization.

The revolution had to happen, or the Roman Catholic church as it is today would not exist. Now it is a very God centered church with a strong focus on keeping to the Bible. The discrepancies found in the church today are minor. Reform and Renewal is something we are constantly converned with in the Church. Each of my under continual Conversion. Always.

However, once the protestant revolution began, it cannot be stopped by man alone. Yes there was no Protestant Reformation - was certainly a Revolution.

If you asked me why I’m not a Roman Catholic anymore, I would say it has entirely to do with the fact that we are unwelcome into the church if we do not hold to the entire teachings of it. I cannot believe that any man is infallible, or an organization that has the history this church does. It is not enough in the Roman Catholic church to love God, worship Christ, and to live your life for God. You have to believe in all the other rules created by man for God’s people. My husband was atheist and thru a Jew he came to believe in God and then he began to attend Mass with me on Sundays out of curiosity and became interested. But for a long time he thought like you - he said he could not believe ALL that the Church teaches - that is why it took him 11 years before he was received into the Church. I realise now that I myself had a very childlike faith and was not sufficiently catechised. Now he is a daily communicant. So maybe you need to delve and seek - you shall find!

Jesus came to preach to the sinners, as those who were perfect had no need of him. The Roman Catholic church allows unfit sinners to enter, but dare they partake in the sacraments.

The Church open to ALL but to partake of the eucharist they must be in a state of grace - they must have a clean heart and spirit.

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Many Catholics are participating in the reception of The Holy Eucharist when they are not reconciled.That is a MORTAL sin - they will bring judgment upon themselves - this is SERIOUS. The church knows this but is afraid to confront it because they dont want to chase these people away. I don’t think the Catholic Church would permit that - I can’t find the passage right now but in Luke I think it says "to whom much is given, much is required but to whom much is entrusted more is required. so if the Church turned a blind eye, that is a MORTAL SINThe Church is a business of a sort, havn`t You noticed.That is a big lie! Do you know how much Priest get each month? Do you see the kind of cars they drive? Do you not know that most priest and religious take the vow of poverty? Do you know know that the Church does not oblige tithing - we give what we can afford. Do you know how HUGE Catholic charities are? Do you know that Catholic Charities help EVERYBODY - All Christians, even Muslims! All you have to be is needy. If the church keeps telling the people what they dont wanna hear, they are gonna be gone. The Church cant afford to lose any more members & I am not anti catholic, just telling it like i see You see with BLIND EYES - you are so ignorant!:eek: :eek: it
 
It doesn’t matter if it “isn’t waht people want to hear”!! Didn’t stop Bishop John Fisher. If you don’t know who he was, learn your Church History.
 
This is true, but it becomes a personal point of truth and honesty. It is deceptive to partake in the sacraments when you know that you are unworthy to do so in the eyes of the community. Who would know, but us that we have done so? God greatly dislikes liars, and to knowingly do so would make me worse in God’s eye. These may not be his rules, but they are the rules of the organization and I would be deceiving those around me by claiming otherwise.

My parents, husband and myself will go to mass when we fly out West to visit with them. I’m sure my parents would love it if I received communion, and being from a small community it must humiliate them to see me crossing my arms before my chest and accepting a blessing instead. You are honest and…someday you will be back! You know others in the community talk about such things, and it would be easier on them if we just ignored the rules. Who would know that I married in the United church to a protestant? Who would know that I said my vows to God in a building that wasn’t part of the Roman organization? I do, God does, and he knows that I would be lying to everyone around me by ignoring their organization’s rules as though I were in perfect standing with the Roman Catholic church. I may not have sinned against God, but I did go against the rules set out by man for the Roman Catholic Church. You should take another look at those “rules” and you might come to realise that they are there for a purpose. For how long are you going to deny yourself the Eucharist which is the source and summit of the Church - the greatest gift - the source of immense grace?

God dislikes liars.
 
That is your belief. The rules set out by God are in the Bible, and the rest were all done by man.
It seems to me that you are a woman of faith but you are missing something. Take a look at yourself - I am sure you will learn much. You are a good person and will make a great Catholic one day.
 
notverysmart:p
I agree that was notverysmart and I don’t think notsmart meant it that way.

I think that blasphamy of the Spirit is a HUGE sin. You must also remember that if you are not aware it is a sin then it is not so serious. You have to be aware of the severety of the sin.

Correct me anyone!
 
“Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup” (1 Cor. 11:27-28)

I think there is another verse in the bible that condemns the Person who partakes unworthily. As the priest has no idea if the person has made a confession that was absolved prior to.
The priest acts in good faith if he has no knowledge that someone is not able to partake.
Non catholics do not interview each person before taking holy communion. Some prominent people, who claim they are practicing catholics do scandalize everyone by openly proclaiming things that are in contradiction to church teaching and partake.

This is a scandal.
 
I agree that was notverysmart and I don’t think notsmart meant it that way.

I think that blasphamy of the Spirit is a HUGE sin. You must also remember that if you are not aware it is a sin then it is not so serious. You have to be aware of the severety of the sin.

Correct me anyone!
Why was it notverysmart? Even Hisalone apologized to me!
He thought I said that one must be a catholic, or they commit the blasphemy of the holy spirit.

Please point to my notverysmart comment Cinnete.

Hisalone figured out he/she was wrong.
Lets see if you can.
 
The English Nobility and Gentry benfitted HUGE…maybe I shouldn’t say that, I might be called a liar again
10 out of 10! The Rich!

They kicked out the Monks from Monasteries and gave the property to the Rich. Some of those beautiful stately homes in England were once monasteries.

By taking away the Monasteries the poor were left abandoned. Read Dickens.

They also persecuted the Church and killed and tortured many priests. It is a horrible part of their history.

That is just England…
 
The English Nobility and Gentry benfitted HUGE…maybe I shouldn’t say that, I might be called a liar again
The only person who could benefit, in the bigger picture was the authour of confusion and chaos.

The actual people involved, as you state also did.

However, it is not good for either side to take their eyes of history today, and mark people for percieved faults from so long ago in such a different time.

It is nice to read about Christian unity, in the early reformation years, where none of the early reformers spoke ill of Mary.
It is nice to read about Lepanto.

There is more good, that even overcomes the darkness that came after the so called reformation that never reformed the church in doctrine (thank God!) but only in discipline (Thank you Martin Luther!)
 
“Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup” (1 Cor. 11:27-28)

I think there is another verse in the bible that condemns the Person who partakes unworthily. As the priest has no idea if the person has made a confession that was absolved prior to.
The priest acts in good faith if he has no knowledge that someone is not able to partake.
Non catholics do not interview each person before taking holy communion. Some prominent people, who claim they are practicing catholics do scandalize everyone by openly proclaiming things that are in contradiction to church teaching and partake.

This is a scandal.
I sometimes wonder what these Cafeteria Catholics think - do they really not know the serious of this?
 
The only person who could benefit, in the bigger picture was the authour of confusion and chaos.

The actual people involved, as you state also did.

However, it is not good for either side to take their eyes of history today, and mark people for percieved faults from so long ago in such a different time.

It is nice to read about Christian unity, in the early reformation years, where none of the early reformers spoke ill of Mary.
It is nice to read about Lepanto.

There is more good, that even overcomes the darkness that came after the so called reformation that never reformed the church in doctrine (thank God!) but only in discipline (Thank you Martin Luther!)
Martin Luther’s action precipated the Counter Revolution which, by the way, had already begun - it was the Church itself that did the reforming from within and continues to do this to this very day. As I said reform and renewal is ongoing, as is conversion.🙂
 
I sometimes wonder what these Cafeteria Catholics think - do they really not know the serious of this?
I know when I become a catholic, my answer to your question will be to offer up my sufferings and pray for them.
I don’t think I can do this now though.
But the verse I posted, should wake anyone up with a heartbeat in them.
 
Martin Luther’s action precipated the Counter Revolution which, by the way, had already begun - it was the Church itself that did the reforming from within and continues to do this to this very day. As I said reform and renewal is ongoing, as is conversion.🙂
We see this ongoing renewal in the hesitancy of the church to excommunicate publically known pro abortionists that claim to be faithful catholics.
You will say they have excommunicated themselves, you may say that they fall under the bible verse I posted.
But, you can not say that there is any reason why the church has not publically barred them.
 
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