Catholic & Homosexual - Trying To Make It Work An Failing

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help much appreciated.
You have to find a way, one day at a time. That is the way I look at it. Catholicism is true, and there’s nothing I can do about that. That is the way I look at it, and so, I have to make things work, day by day. It’s simple, but it can be hard.
 
Failure in the moral life is not rare. As the saying goes, “The saints were not people who never fail, but the people who kept getting up.”

I also don’t believe that our every difficulty is something “sent by God”. Rather, most of our difficulties are the result of the Fall. I do believe that God can transform every difficulty into a victory. The Cross didn’t come from God; the Cross came from the Fall. The Passion and Resurrection is what God can do with crosses. Hope tells us that our tries, buried through baptism in the victory of Christ, will likewise be transformed by the power of God.

OP, you say you are not strong enough to carry your own cross. You don’t have to be. You don’t have to never fall. You have to want to never fall. Keeping wanting that, keep trying, and you will be taken care of.

Also, realize that most straight men also struggle with aspects of their sexuality that are less than pure. They look at women with lust in their hearts. Some have porn addictions, some have a very hard time being faithful to one woman. The man who marries one woman and never has a thought or temptation for another exists, but he’s not the majority, particularly not in an age like ours, where the glamour of evil can beckon so openly and constantly. You have a particularly difficult problem, but you aren’t alone.

Remember, too, that Our Lord himself never married. He was in a culture in which a man who didn’t marry was judged, sometimes very harshly. It is entirely possible that he lived with accusations that he was homosexual. You can imagine how hard it would have been for him to have the desires any man might have, and yet know that his call was to remain as he was, regardless of what others said or whispered about him, regardless of how they might have tried to make him into something he could not be. Maybe that will help you to see that he understands what you are going through very well, indeed. Likewise, Our Lady and St. Joseph were married, but completely abstinent, because of her unique place in salvation. They know what it is to see the world living an ideal that does not apply to you. It might help you to believe that God can create an ideal of God’s own making around you, something no one would imagine, something that will eternally shine as a splendid thing.

You were created through him, too; realize that he understands you better than you understand yourself. He understands all your struggles, and he knows how hard you have struggled to please him rather than himself. That is the kind of struggle that is pleasing to God, not because it is hard or because God loves suffering, but because God cannot but be pleased by someone who will go to such lengths because love of God demands it.
Beautiful post, EasterJoy!
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Why did God make me gay if I could be guaranteed heaven if I were straight?
No one is guaranteed Heaven, as Ahimsa said. Not even the Pope or any member of the clergy. You may get to Heaven easier/more quickly than myself and many other heterosexuals. There are many temptations other than sexual, and other than SSA. Many very grievous sins that carry enormous responsibility with them, that have nothing to do with sexuality – sins of pride, sins against the truth, against justice – that all will be held accountable for, each in his own Particular Judgment. If these are not repaired in this life, reparation awaits them in the next. (Purgatory)
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Why did God make me gay if I could be guaranteed heaven if I were straight?
Why would there be gay or straight in Heaven? If there isn’t, what would make any difference, save that the passions of the soul were under the control of the Holy Spirit?

Jesus said to them in reply, "You are misled because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God. At the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven. Matt. 22: 29-30
 
I’d just like to say thank you all for all of the responses and advice given, I read it all and appreciate it all that you all would be willing to offer someone you don’t even know advice on this matter.

Something was said where it was just the sex was the sin, what if two people of the same sex were just to ‘date’ and have kissing be the farthest the intimacy would reach? I’m curious to know whether that would be sinful too or if it’s against that as it would lead to sex.
 
I’d just like to say thank you all for all of the responses and advice given, I read it all and appreciate it all that you all would be willing to offer someone you don’t even know advice on this matter.

Something was said where it was just the sex was the sin, what if two people of the same sex were just to ‘date’ and have kissing be the farthest the intimacy would reach? I’m curious to know whether that would be sinful too or if it’s against that as it would lead to sex.
What if, what if, what if.

This is the wrong question. This is like 2 adolescents wondering how far is too far.

Seek the ultimate good - the final good - the eternal good of the other at all times, for the love of God. For the sake of God’s happiness. If you think pushing the matter, pushing and testing the limits will really make God happier…then do it. But if not, don’t do it.
 
What if, what if, what if.

This is the wrong question. This is like 2 adolescents wondering how far is too far.

Seek the ultimate good - the final good - the eternal good of the other at all times, for the love of God. For the sake of God’s happiness. If you think pushing the matter, pushing and testing the limits will really make God happier…then do it. But if not, don’t do it.
Yeah I know, having this burden is full of ‘what if’ questions looking for some way to make sense of it all.
 
Yeah I know, having this burden is full of ‘what if’ questions looking for some way to make sense of it all.
Good luck. Maybe pray more…20-30 min a day, conversationally, in quiet. And focus less on self and more on others. This seems to be a good recipe across the ages.
 
We know that insofar as attraction is not chosen, there is no sin. This is really the harbinger of this issue. If we accept that some people have biological inclinations toward SSA, then we need to accept that they will not have a real choice about their eyes and sexual urges being drawn to someone of the same sex. This happens to me as a heterosexual male. I try not to lust, but my eyes are drawn to beautiful women. I acknowledge their beauty and try to move on without falling into lust. Now, the question is, may be use that biological urge as a vehicle to a deeper moral relationship with that person with healthy boundaries?

For example, let’s say a woman flashes a beautiful kindly smile. She may or may not have meant that in any flirtatious way. She asks me directions, I give them to her because I am more inclined to give them to a person who is approachable, kind, and smiling. We end up striking a friendship. She is married as am I. We confess things about our marriages to each other and we try, because we are friends, to encourage each other in our marriages and be better spouses.

You see what I mean? Her physical beauty and kindness crashed through my defense mechanisms and a friendship began. This is not to say that I dwelled any longer on her attrativeness or her on mine. Might this be the same way for a person with biologically driven SSA? Sometimes I think it is an American style puritanism influencing the Catholic Church which is making us so skidish about physical beauty. If people had not appreciated such beauty, then the world of art would be awfully lacking.

Anyways, these are just some musings. Best regards.
 
We know that insofar as attraction is not chosen, there is no sin. This is really the harbinger of this issue. If we accept that some people have biological inclinations toward SSA, then we need to accept that they will not have a real choice about their eyes and sexual urges being drawn to someone of the same sex. This happens to me as a heterosexual male. I try not to lust, but my eyes are drawn to beautiful women. I acknowledge their beauty and try to move on without falling into lust. Now, the question is, may be use that biological urge as a vehicle to a deeper moral relationship with that person with healthy boundaries?

For example, let’s say a woman flashes a beautiful kindly smile. She may or may not have meant that in any flirtatious way. She asks me directions, I give them to her because I am more inclined to give them to a person who is approachable, kind, and smiling. We end up striking a friendship. She is married as am I. We confess things about our marriages to each other and we try, because we are friends, to encourage each other in our marriages and be better spouses.

You see what I mean? Her physical beauty and kindness crashed through my defense mechanisms and a friendship began. This is not to say that I dwelled any longer on her attrativeness or her on mine. Might this be the same way for a person with biologically driven SSA? Sometimes I think it is an American style puritanism influencing the Catholic Church which is making us so skidish about physical beauty. If people had not appreciated such beauty, then the world of art would be awfully lacking.

Anyways, these are just some musings. Best regards.
FYI…an aside.

I attended a little class recently on marital chastity.

One of the major points involved: maintaining custody…

custody of the eyes (obvious)
custody of the memory (somewhat obvious)
custody of the imagination (obvious), and
custody of the heart (less obvious).

If you are married and have occasion to be in daily / regular contact with a member of the opposite sex…say at work, in a carpool, etc…you need to be on guard to not disclose certain aspects of your life to this person. If you start to disclose your deep hopes, aspirations, longings, worries, etc…then you are giving someone else “the keys to your heart”…and this can be very dangerous to your chastity. So, even if it means changing carpools, it’s so important to let your wife / husband be the only one with the keys to your heart.

I found this to be a good point…not sure if anyone else will.
 
Could you summarize what those are about? When I clicked them, they’re pretty long and I have to leave soon.
These people are conservative-ish Catholics who are faithful to the Church. They DO NOT wish away their homosexuality. They, in a sense, harness their sexuality and sublimate their desires. However, the biological or ingrained sexuality is a catlyst to delving deeply into other types of love with another. Love is multi facted. Love is agapic. Love is ludic. Love is storgic. Love is erotic. God is love, too! You see, the Song of Songs indicates that our love for God is erotic in a sense. Take the symbolism of the Church as the “bride of Christ.” We are wed to the Church and to Christ as Brides. You see what I mean? You do not have to have sex to be “erotic” in a sense. Imagine a blind man whose other senses are heightened by being denied sight. So, too, can your senses and concept of love in its many modalities be heightened by refraining from sex. Blindness doesn’t have to be a disability and neither does your sexuality. Spend some time on those sites if you get the chance. I find them totally fascinating!

I pray for you and those in like situations. You inspire me. Seriously!
 
FYI…an aside.

I attended a little class recently on marital chastity.

One of the major points involved: maintaining custody…

custody of the eyes (obvious)
custody of the memory (somewhat obvious)
custody of the imagination (obvious), and
custody of the heart (less obvious).

If you are married and have occasion to be in daily / regular contact with a member of the opposite sex…say at work, in a carpool, etc…you need to be on guard to not disclose certain aspects of your life to this person. If you start to disclose your deep hopes, aspirations, longings, worries, etc…then you are giving someone else “the keys to your heart”…and this can be very dangerous to your chastity. So, even if it means changing carpools, it’s so important to let your wife / husband be the only one with the keys to your heart.

I found this to be a good point…not sure if anyone else will.
I see what you mean. I think a person needs have discretion and boundaires. Spending time in close physical contact could be really bad. Time alone in private places is probably a bad idea. However, I have loved women and men too for that matter in a non romantic way. We are supposed to be friends in Christ and we are supposed to love one another. I am not sure that we need to be so isolationist. It seems like if we take “good discretion” to an extreme that it could be a detriment to community and we can be too impressed with the allure of sin (the opposit fallacy of being too lax about the allure of sin).
 
I see what you mean. I think a person needs have discretion and boundaires. Spending time in close physical contact could be really bad. Time alone in private places is probably a bad idea. However, I have loved women and men too for that matter in a non romantic way. We are supposed to be friends in Christ and we are supposed to love one another. I am not sure that we need to be so isolationist. It seems like if we take “good discretion” to an extreme that it could be a detriment to community and we can be too impressed with the allure of sin (the opposit fallacy of being too lax about the allure of sin).
Good points. Depends I guess on one’s own evaluation and one’s virtue.

I am reminded of 2 priests (or bishops?) walking along. And a beautiful woman approaches…one averts his glance, the other greats her with a generous smile. Both reacted well.
 
Untruth,

My heart aches for you. You are right. It is not the same for heterosexuals when we struggle with impurity. Yes we are all called to be chaste. But heterosexuals have the chance to find someone to marry. As a heterosexual woman, I obviously cannot say that I feel your pain- but I do feel overwhelming sorrow for you and for anyone who is in your incredibly difficult position. I am not in a position to offer advice because I have significant struggles with what the Church says about homosexuality. It is something I need to talk with my Priest about before I am Confirmed- or I might ask an Apologist on this site as well. So in lieu of advice, I can only echo the encouraging words of Mark (Deo Volente). I WISH I could do more to help. I will pray for you and I will pray that God will illuminate for you the answers that you are seeking. No matter what happens in your life, your struggle is very inspiring and humbling to me. Once again, I am sorry- I wish there was something more brilliant or comforting I could say or do. Peace be with you!

Love Grace
 
My heart aches for you. You are right. It is not the same for heterosexuals when we struggle with impurity. Yes we are all called to be chaste. But heterosexuals have the chance to find someone to marry.
I love my spouse dearly. If one day, and I know there will be a day, my wife and I cannot have sex, I will love her and she will love me. The allure of sex is strong. I do not doubt it. I think when it comes down to it, the Church’s position is simply this: homosexuals cannot further gratify their relationships with sex.

I know people will say that homosexuality is disordered. To tell the truth, homosexuality is an abarition among general society. However, if people are known to be biologically predisposed, then homosexuality is a disordered condition in which the homosexual has NO control over. Still they are called to chasity but as far as having “fond friends” or their ability to gross close to others in non sexual ways seem perfectly fine.

Remember, the heart of God is love. This does not mean that it ought to always be erotic love. Or more precisely erotic love that is gratified by sex. Remember, too, that the Church is the bride of Christ. We have a kind of eroticism with God - this is infrequently spoken about but it’s true!

I think what a lot of this turmoil about homosexuality boils down to is a heavy emphasis on sex. We really put too much stock into it. It’s a primal urge and I understand why we overvalue it, but still we need to keep it in perspective. This constant preoccupation only lends creedance to the Church’s position. Sex is a powerful thing and we need to keep close and diligent boudanries when it comes to sex.

I was like you once. My God mother is lesbian. I didn’t want to hurt her feelings. But the more I understood what the Church had to say and by reading John Heard and Eve Tushnet, I came to understand my compassionate, the Church’s compassionate, stance on homosexuality was an expression of my love for my God mother. Still I am blessed to have her in my life. Not a lot of people have real-life “Fairy God Mothers.” 🙂
 
When I mentioned that heterosexuals are able to marry I wasn’t trying to say that when we marry we can finally find some relief from our sexual frustrations with Chastity. Marriage is not just about sex (obviously.) It is about loving someone-truly loving someone- as you said you love your wife (regardless of sex.) When Paul said that husbands should love their wives the way Christ loved his Church- that is saying that you should be willing to lay down your life for your spouse as Christ did for the Church. The beautiful love of marriage can exist with or without sex- as another poster mentioned when they used Mary and Joseph as an example. I think that regardless of sexual attraction, many people long to find someone they can love, honor, and protect for the rest of their lives- regardless of whether you are homosexual or heterosexual.

Does the Church allow for these kind of chaste partnerships between two men or two women? Or does the Church say that it would be too torturous for the people involved because of the near occasion of sin? (Thanks for any responses to this question by the way- and Thanks Tlimon for your insights.)
 
Fall in love with Jesus. That way you’ll keep pure and chaste.

Read spiritual Canticle of the Soul by St. John of the Cross, St. John of the cross fell completely in love with Jesus.

basilica.org/pages/ebooks/St.%20John%20of%20the%20Cross-A%20Spiritual%20Canticle%20of%20the%20Soul.pdf

And the Living Flames of Love
basilica.org/pages/ebooks/St.%20John%20of%20the%20Cross-The%20Living%20Flame%20of%20Love.pdf

Sing some love songs for Jesus, and say I love you Jesus!

More than anything.mp3
mediafire.com/?33iw5uw18l3xetb#1
 
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