Catholic & Homosexual

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Peoples attitude change and as a catholic a young catholic i have learned from reading and learning of love of our lord my attitude changes towards homosexuals they are not evil and i find very hard to say the act is.

joe.

Many of you will use this to support your argument evil homosexuals i.e. evil acts. Well i look to these words and i state the obvious that we all walk the same road but which gate we go for is a choice of morals. And many of you i look upon as having a wide gate path as the above does state “the wide gate and road that leads there is easy” well what is easier to say EVIL HOMOSEXUALS AND THE ACTS THEY COMMIT ARE EVIL or LOVE AND MERCY AND SUPPORT OF CATHOLICS AND CHRISTIANS TO HOMOSEXUALS??
It very much easier to hate but a lot harder to love the sinner ?!

Please be a progressive catholic and help the church walk in union with the world and the vuneralbe.

GOD BLESS JOE:thumbsup:
Are you trying to say that as a progressive young Catholic, you believe that Catholics need to walk in union with the world, with a qualification that love, support and mercy to homosexuals means accepting that the homosexual act is not sinful?

There are Catholic homosexuals who ardently wish for this to happen. But as Peter Kreeft posed to Catholic homosexuals: what is your religion, Catholicism or homosexuality? You can listen to his talk here. One poster here aptly stated that to be Catholic and an active homosexual is a contradiction in terms.

It has been clearly stated by Catholics in this type of threads that homosexuals are not regarded as evil, to be hated. They are to be loved, included in Christ’s commandment of love of neighbor. It is the ACT, the BEHAVIOR, that is a sin, against Church teaching, not to be tolerated or accepted.

Some Catholics insist on defending homosexuals in monogamous loving relationships, making a difference with those engaging in promiscuous homosexual sex. They want to see a parallel to faithful married sex versus adultery. Homosexuals faithful to their partners have good intentions, but the homosexual act that they engage in is nevertheless wrong and sinful. As with euthanasia, which is based on merciful and loving intention for a loved one, the act is still intrinsically wrong.

It was good to hear last Sunday’s homily on the holy family during Mass in our parish. Even the televised EWTN Mass had a similar homily, with prayers offered for the preservation of the family and the healing of those who suffer from same sex attraction.

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I do see myself as a progressive and liberal catholic!
I share my views on here for others to consider and as a catholic i hope we do stop using the word EVIlL - As you say and i repeat again if you declare the act EVIL you declare the person the homosexual EVIL !
The modern world needs catholics who care who show compassion and most of all love and prayer! We do not need small minded and people who spread an unloving message consider your place in todays church.

This site and forum has made me many times question my faith which is healthy but also makes me to turn against my faith.
but i stay to hope that other consider their thoughts and feelings.

Its my catholic faith that helps me show compassion to homosexuals i hope your can help you do same.

Once again god bless
 
I do see myself as a progressive and liberal catholic!
If you were addressing me, you talked past what I posted. What is your answer to this: do you believe that Catholics need to walk in union with the world, with a qualification that love, support and mercy to homosexuals means accepting that the homosexual act is not sinful?

If so, I urge you to read the sub-forum sticky providing the Church Teaching on Same Sex Issues: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=134749
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Thats true. There are many Christian gays who DO participate in sexual acts.

One thing I have a problem with is going up to a gay person and telling them they’re going to hell. First off, you have no idea if they are having sex, or have EVER had sex. Second off, you can be gay and a Christian. I think most have already established that people are born that way, so it’s simply a sexual orientation. That doesn’t mean they are ‘doing’ stuff though.

However I do have a question. What would happen if they fell in love with somebody from the same gender? Would God condemn them for that? What if they were in love with the person, but not in a relationship with them, and not having sex with them. What is it then? A sin?
 
Ok 1st point you say is - " Do you think perhaps in the 27th century we can say murder is permissible and maybe in the 28th century we can give the stamp of approval to paedophilla? "

Now may i say i really do think that is off the topic no one has mentioned a stamp of approval to murder and paedophillia those are evil acts.
And so are homosexual acts and everyone till recently thought so.

Hence my answer to your question of which century do we live in is more than valid. Modernity does not determine what is and is not moral.
The century we live in has everything in the matter i am part a progressive church not a regressive one the century
Progressive as in pro immorality, relativism and egoism? Bring on regressive anytime.
we live in is a fast moving and modern world and the church must walk with the world.
**The Church is here to Evangelize the World not for the World to Evangelize the Church.

If that were the case, Christ would not have come and established a Church. The world was doing its own evangelization then.

Your proposition is a sell out to the devil or as Christ called him, the prince of the world.**
As the church used to say science was evil to a certain point in history. Thats why what century we live in has every thing to do with the point. Peoples attitude change and as a catholic a young catholic i have learned from reading and learning of love of our lord my attitude changes towards homosexuals they are not evil and i find very hard to say the act is.
Rubbish. I don’t know where you got the idea that the Church said science is evil. Please cite documents. The Church was at the forefront of Science. Do a little bit more of reading on what the Church is really all about.
Brings me to my second issue they are not evil but the act is!
If the act is evil you call them evil and i am most sure that the god i know would never call one of his children EVIL.
Well duh, just because one is predesposed to evil does not make one evil. One becomes evil by doing the act.

Here is an example. Murder is evil. Some may have a temptation to murder. But until they actually commit murder, they are not evil.
What a homosexual needs is to see the tradition of love and mercy and care of our holy catholic church.
The tradition of Love is there but neither should we condone an evil act. It is essentially disordered and the Church has taught so from the beginning.

As I said before, to confirm someone in his son IS VERY FAR FROM LOVING.
Not a small minded church with catholics views that the acts they commit are evil as their evil is normal for them show them care not hate!
Small minded. The relativists are the ones that are small minded. They cannot see a reality greater than their own construct, or bigger than their own egos.

That is small minded.
“FUZZY WUZZY WITH REGARDS TO SIN” - If you are a catholic you truely know when you hae sinned an urge to confess.
Not when you habitually sin. Not when you define yourself by your sin. I am a homosexual. That is defining oneself by one’s sinful orientation.

If that is how one sees oneself, then one rationalizes such sin. Once one rationalizes, that is a good indication that what is being rationalized is an evil. One never ever rationalizes a good.
People who go fuzzy wuzzy to sin perhaps have more of the lord in them than you and i as you could say the lrd in his time went fuzzy wuzzy to sin by showing love and care towards a prostitute and other on the margins of society!
How can those who are fuzzy wuzzy about sin have more on the Lord in them when the whole purpose of our Lord becoming man is such that He can conquer sin? You don’t make sense.
Yes show them forgiveness as they have sinned we all have but show them renewal !
God bless joe.
Show them mercy, yes. But Christ’s admonition remains. To them and to all of us. Go and sin no more. Renewal only comes if one is cognizant of the fact that one needs renewing.
 
There are Catholic homosexuals who ardently wish for this to happen. But as Peter Kreeft posed to Catholic homosexuals: what is your religion, Catholicism or homosexuality? You can listen to his talk here. One poster here aptly stated that to be Catholic and an active homosexual is a contradiction in terms.
Well said. 👍👍
 
I wondered how true it is to say that the truth has not changed especially when you look at something like slavery. Granted the Old Testament talks about Jubilee when slaves are freed but Paul tells slaves to be submissive to their masters with no mention of freedom. It took the Church centuries to finally ban the practice. Most would say that owning another human being is immoral. Did the truth change? Some would say “yes.”
Paul’s understanding and experience of slavery was conditioned by his time and culture, just as ours is.

That doesn’t mean God’s truth changes.
 
Peoples attitude change and as a catholic a young catholic i have learned from reading and learning of love of our lord my attitude changes towards homosexuals they are not evil and **i find very hard to say the act is. **
You may find it very hard to say that the act is evil but God says it is. You don’t make the rules. God does

What you are proposing is a moving of the moral reference point, a blurring of what is and what is not evil. Relativism.

That is the greatest evil of our time. It is the very seductive whisper of the devil which you have bought into.
Brings me to my second issue they are not evil but the act is!
If the act is evil you call them evil and i am most sure that the god i know would never call one of his children EVIL.
God does not call his children evil. He did say to some that they are children of the devil.

When we follow the devil’s lies, we become evil.

That is how Adam and Eve fell. They followed his lies and you are buying it hook line and sinker.
 
Get away with what, exactly?
The homosexuals can have their gay sex all they want in this life. But they will be held accountable for what they did on judgement day, will they not?

The same goes to straight people who go out on one night stands or have sex just for fun, which happens even way more than homosexuals have sex, because the homosexual population is very low. Although it seems to get higher everyday, this is because people are feeling more comfortable about ‘coming’ out so to speak.
 
Aren’t they still Catholic if they agree with the Church’s teachings on it, but are still stuggling to stop acting on their impulses?
The operative word is ‘active’ in active homosexual. Nobody can look into someone’s heart to say if an active homosexual is struggling to come back and is truly repenting, meaning if he intends to leave the gay lifestyle. Only God can judge, and the Church is the guiding authority, not individuals who wish to see the Church change its doctrine and give a green light to sin some more.

What the poster said to whom I addressed my post is that the homosexual act is to be accepted as though it is not a sin. This is against Church teaching.

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Yes you can be gay and a christian. Gay is a sexual orientation. That does not mean they are sexually active, it means how they were born with who they were attracted to.

Why God would even allow that to happen is beyond me though.
 
Yes you can be gay and a christian. Gay is a sexual orientation. That does not mean they are sexually active, it means how they were born with who they were attracted to.

Why God would even allow that to happen is beyond me though.
It’s beyond all of us. We can only begin to understand God’s ways as His ways are so far above ours.
Why does God allow suffering in any way at all?
For the good of our immortal souls. I cannot understand why in this life on earth (although I may get a glimpse or hint now and then).

Here is how many Catholics with SSA deal with it – an apostolate of the Roman Catholic Church called “Courage”. This is from their web site:
Are you or a loved one experiencing homosexual attractions and looking for answers?

Courage, an apostolate of the Roman Catholic Church, ministers to those with same-sex attractions and their loved ones. We have been endorsed by the Pontifical Council for the Family and our beloved John Paul II said of this ministry, “COURAGE is doing the work of God!” We also have an outreach called Encourage which ministers to relatives and friends of persons with same-sex attractions.
 
Yes you can be gay and a christian. Gay is a sexual orientation. That does not mean they are sexually active, it means how they were born with who they were attracted to.

Why God would even allow that to happen is beyond me though.
Beyond me, too. The obvious fact that God does allow it, though, is worth serious reflection.
 
Beyond me, too. The obvious fact that God does allow it, though, is worth serious reflection.
👍👍 Indeed!

Why are there people born blind, lame, deformed, and every sort of affliction you can think of?

Homosexuality is just one type of affliction that can glorify God if offered to Him and submitted to His will.
 
Aren’t they still Catholic if they agree with the Church’s teachings on it, but are still stuggling to stop acting on their impulses?
That is true. If they agree with the Church’s teaching and are just struggling with their impulses.

But to be an active homosexual means a life given over to this and usually refer those who are lobbying for the acceptance of the homosexual act as normal. They are usually after moving the goal post so that the act is no longer considered a sin.
 
As Father Benedict Groescel once said, “some of the holiest men and women I know are homosexuals choosing to live a chaste life.”

Think of the depth of that statement. He said, “holiest,” not “holy,” not “holier.” Holiest. Indeed a soul can bring many other souls to God if the love and guidance of Christ’s Church moves him to do so.

I’ll close with a Father Corapi quote from one of his talks years ago (I’m paraphrasing). “[to homosexual men and women] You may not think we have much in common, but we do: we are called to chastity.”
 
As Father Benedict Groescel once said, “some of the holiest men and women I know are homosexuals choosing to live a chaste life.”

Think of the depth of that statement. He said, “holiest,” not “holy,” not “holier.” Holiest. Indeed a soul can bring many other souls to God if the love and guidance of Christ’s Church moves him to do so.

I’ll close with a Father Corapi quote from one of his talks years ago (I’m paraphrasing). “[to homosexual men and women] You may not think we have much in common, but we do: we are called to chastity.”
I can only imagine to live a chaste life or to try to live a chaste life as a homosexual can be very much harder and a much greater struggle to that of a hetrosexual.

Yet again must always show compassion and support towards any homosexual as the smallest matters in their life can be the greatest struggle.
 
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