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"Catholic" Homosexuals Demonstrate against Bishop Nienstedt's Too "Authoritative Teaching"
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goofyjim
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Didn’t we discuss this already?
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goofyjim
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Mind you I am not against his teaching but if you equate SSA with homosexual there are legitimate Catholic homosexuals.
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timotheos
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A small number of very loud voices, demanding a change that is outside of the very nature of the 2000 yr-old Church, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
I pray that the media does not turn this into a circus, but I fear it will. The punishment for sin is addiction to the sin (don’t I know), and no one fights harder than the addict.
I pray for our archdiocese, the next archbishop, and all of the souls currently enslaved to this, and other, behaviors. May God have mercy on us.
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I pray that the media does not turn this into a circus, but I fear it will. The punishment for sin is addiction to the sin (don’t I know), and no one fights harder than the addict.
I pray for our archdiocese, the next archbishop, and all of the souls currently enslaved to this, and other, behaviors. May God have mercy on us.
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rlg94086
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Seriously though…if the Church were to ever give in to these “consensus” whackos, I would have to go SSPX or some other traditionalist group. Thankfully, I don’t think it will happen.
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KathleenElsie
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Same here.
Seriously though…if the Church were to ever give in to these “consensus” whackos, I would have to go SSPX or some other traditionalist group. Thankfully, I don’t think it will happen.
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bones_IV
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The people of “peace and tolerance” just don’t get it.
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Riley259
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I’m sure that they’re most worked up about his (the Church’s)teaching that homosexual relations are sinful not the mere fact that they have SSA.
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KathleenElsie
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I agree with this. No one that is attached to a sin (any sin) wants the sin pointed out to them.
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muehlbau
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Archbishop Nienstedt had glowing things to say about Catholics with SSA he met in the Courage apostolate, so he was pretty clear that the issue was sinful actions, not source of temptation.
It’s hard not to recall every other heretical movement in history when you watch the homosexual activists at work. They don’t care about Tradition, they don’t respect the Magisterium, and they want to the Church to bend to THEIR will. It gives me the creeps when I read pro-homosexual apologetics, because it’s frightening that people could think a teaching that is not only based on divine revelation, but also on natural law, could ever be changed due to minority pressure.
It’s hard not to recall every other heretical movement in history when you watch the homosexual activists at work. They don’t care about Tradition, they don’t respect the Magisterium, and they want to the Church to bend to THEIR will. It gives me the creeps when I read pro-homosexual apologetics, because it’s frightening that people could think a teaching that is not only based on divine revelation, but also on natural law, could ever be changed due to minority pressure.
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SemperFidelis
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Come on Jim, these people aren’t protesting against persecutions stemming from being SSA, they are protesting the teaching of the Church that condemns homosexual acts. They want their sins to be condoned by the Church.
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mdgspencer
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The attempts to intimidate the Church into denying its own teaching in regards to homosexuality is become a main way that the devil it assailing the people of God in our generation. I hope the bishop does not flinch in the face of this emnity for providing the teaching of the Church, which is precisely what such people hope for.
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revelations
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I’ve always found that interesting. “We don’t much care for the church…but it has to change what it teaches so that I’m ok with it…”
It’s not so much the details of the act anymore, the wonderful pro-choice movement has taken care of that. It’s the “opression” of choice. Why were pro-abortionists there? Because it’s all being lumped into one big anti-Catholic propaganda parade.
The church will stay strong, I have confidence in the Holy Spirit.
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NewUlm1976_2000
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Actually it is not about a “movement” of any kind as much as showing compassion and respect. The title of this tread tries to infer that these people are not Catholic, which is not the case. Gender preferences are not a defining characteristic of people. To use it in this way is setting up the argument that they are somehow a lesser person, which is also false.
This is a very dangerous slippery slope we tread when matters are talked about this way. History shows it can get really nasty really quickly when we look at people by taking away part of their humanity as we see it in them.
While the Archbishop has his opinions, the way he presents them as a black and white rule interpretation issue does more harm than good. Abhp Flynn while believing the same things at least publically reached out and show public compassion and not the stern “father figure” which Niensedet is billing himself to be (he has explicitly said that in an interview linked from the Archdiocese website. That is because in real life, rules run into many, many gray areas where humanity shows that any logic making the rules is flawed.
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goofyjim
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I’ve had enough. I’m sick of it all. I am leaving CA. Goodbye all. I have much more important things to do in life.
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SemperFidelis
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Compassion and respect is already given to those who sin. “Hate the sin, love the sinner.” The “movement” is trying to force the Church (and the world) into condoning their sinful lifestyle.
Yes it is. What you think doesn’t matter one flip in the grand scheme of things. The Church is the authority here and they have spoken.
His opinions? This is the teaching of the Church.?
It is a black and white rule. Wake up and read the Catechism.
Their lifestyle does more harm than good.
And his approach certaintly didn’t work, as is evident from the state of the Archdiocese. Archbishop Nienstedt has clearly realized this and is doing what is necessary.
It is you, and your logic that is flawed, not the Church’s. She cannot err in faith or morals.
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fix
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What does this mean?
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NewUlm1976_2000
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I thought you were “done with me”, but oh well.
The lifestyle is not “sinful”. There is a loving beyond between two people of the same gender that is the same as between two of different genders. If you read the writings, compassion seems to be void from them.
Remember this comes on the heels of the sex scandal, so respect needs to be earned back, it is just not automatically given beyond a certain level of the office.
What is interpreted in the Catechism and in the past are one set of theological opinions, of which many are very diverse in the Church. Remember all humanity are a flawed image of God, the Church is no exception. From the people in the pews up to the Pope, we are all fallible people.
I see you are a soon-to-be Catholic. Congraduations! If you want to know more, ask about Pastoral styles of leadership (one of many in the Church). That style is one of many that deals with the best way to interpret and apply the rules to the masses of humanity, which has variance from a piece of paper out of Rome. The Church is at its core a merging of all humanity together which is a great, diverse strength.
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cmudd
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After reading several of your former posts and responding to a few of them in the past, I have arrived at some conclusions about your opinions on Church matters. Please tell me if any of them are correct, incorrect, close to correct, etc…I thought you were “done with me”, but oh well.
The lifestyle is not “sinful”. There is a loving beyond between two people of the same gender that is the same as between two of different genders. If you read the writings, compassion seems to be void from them.
Remember this comes on the heels of the sex scandal, so respect needs to be earned back, it is just not automatically given beyond a certain level of the office.
What is interpreted in the Catechism and in the past are one set of theological opinions, of which many are very diverse in the Church. Remember all humanity are a flawed image of God, the Church is no exception. From the people in the pews up to the Pope, we are all fallible people.
I see you are a soon-to-be Catholic. Congraduations! If you want to know more, ask about Pastoral styles of leadership (one of many in the Church). That style is one of many that deals with the best way to interpret and apply the rules to the masses of humanity, which has variance from a piece of paper out of Rome. The Church is at its core a merging of all humanity together which is a great, diverse strength.
- You don’t believe that the Pope and the magesterium are infallible and thus, you don’t acknowledge any authority that the Church claims.
- It does not matter how definitive the Church is about an issue, for you, it is still up for debate: sexual morality, Church authority, Church discipline, etc…
- If it feels good for you (or someone else), it is OK and should not be seen as disordered, sinful, wrong, etc…
- Is the Catholic Church the One Church established by Christ Himself?
- Is that Church free from error (as clearly stated in the catechism)?
- Is there any action that can be called objectively sinful (as opposed to subjectively sinful)?
- Do you believe that the Catholic Church officially condemns homosexual activity, abortion, contraception, murder, premarital intercourse, masturbation, stealing, etc…?
- Is the Holy Father the final arbiter of Church teaching and scriptural interpretation?
- Do you see yourself as a qualified authority on what the Church teaches and are those teachings subject to be altered/amended based on your own personal preferences?
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Wolseley
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Another case of “Don’t you dare try to ram your morality down our throats…now please stand still while we ram acceptance of our immorality down yours.”The people of “peace and tolerance” just don’t get it.
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