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lisahiku
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What can a person do if they know of a catholic hospital that is performing tubal ligations and dispenses birth control?
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Rence
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I suppose you can report them to the diocese or the Bishop? I can see tubal ligations being done in a hospital…but do some hospitals dispense birth control pills? Usually one gets them from doctor’s offices and clinics.
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Dymphna82
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I take the pill because I would bleed 20 days a month if I didn’t, and probably die from ane,ia related issues.
It’s one thing that they do it, but why is the question.
It’s one thing that they do it, but why is the question.
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lisahiku
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But what about tubal ligations? Sterilization is AGAINST catholic church teaching and doctrine. I am concerned about this issue. The hospital has a pharmacy and I am sure they dispense birth control pills.
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Rence
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Then tell the Bishop.
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Jim_Dandy
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The very large, 100-year-old Catholic hospital in my city was recently rendered “not Catholic” by our courageous bishop for consistently violating Church teaching. It is no longer allowed to use the name “Catholic.” There are now no Masses at that hospital chapel. I say hooray! Though it was run by Catholic Healthcare West and some nuns, it became “Catholic” in name only.
We need more courageous bishops!
azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2010/12/21/20101221phoenix-diocese-strips-st-josephs-hospital-catholic-status.html
We need more courageous bishops!
azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2010/12/21/20101221phoenix-diocese-strips-st-josephs-hospital-catholic-status.html
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RICKY_RASPER
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Tubal ligation is often the only recourse for someone who is bleeding from a condition like uterine fibroids. The alternative often being a full hysterectomy. Or of course you may prefer the woman to bleed 365 days a year. And before you accuse me no I’m not pro-choice or pro-abortion. As for contraception ( for a married couple ) If you truly oppose it then you must also oppose the rhythm method for both are contrary to conception.
Your Brother in Christ,
Richard.
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RICKY_RASPER
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I must say it’s a little sick to celebrate the denial of Mass from sick and dying patients.
Shame on you!
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Nate13
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Thanks for the information on when a tubal ligation might be necessary. At least from what you said it would appear that would be a moral choice in some instances. The jab at the rhythm method and I’ll assume NFP as well was unnecessary but we might as well as let it slide as not to detract from the subject at hand. If anyone cares about that debate just do a search of Catholic Answers.
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Nate13
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A priest would bring the Eucharist to any Catholics who wished to receive it in the hospital. Your objection is misguided and also fruitless.
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lisahiku
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No you are WRONG. A woman bleeding excessively from Uterine fibroid would be given a HYSTERECTOMY.
Tubal ligations are ALWAYS used for birth control .
I am opposing a CATHLIC hospital having the word “catholic” in its mission statement that performs surgeries that have been deemed UN-catholic!~
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RICKY_RASPER
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How can the hospital be deemed unfit to hold Mass in, but fit to host the Body of Christ?
They even held Mass in the Nazi killing factories like Belsen and Auschwitz:twocents:
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Rence
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Why do I need this explanation? You are confusing me with the OP. I couldn’t care less what hospitals do where. I simply answered a question as to where to go with a complaint.
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ColNY
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Ricky–I was thinking the same as you. There’s something fundamentally wrong with that celebration. Jesus didn’t run from the prostitutes or the tax collectors.
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Rence
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The fact of the matter is, Catholic hospitals identify with the Catholic Church, and therefore they have to follow the rules of the Church like any other Catholic identified facility. If a Catholic hospital is not in compliance with Catholic rules and laws, the Bishop has the right to strip them of the Catholic affiliation. They don’t close down the hospital, and priests are still allowed to bring the Sacraments to the hospital. It’s true they may lose some funding from the Diocese, but they can get funding elsewhere like secular hospitals.
A priest or Eucharistic Minister of the Sacraments an also bring the Sacrament to patients in a secular hospital. So to claim that the Bishop is withholding the Sacrament from patients of such a hospital is false. But truly, what’s fair is fair: if a hospital is not in compliance with Catholic rules and laws, they don’t have any business misleading the public by identifying as Catholic.
Like it or not, tubal ligations are not life-saving procedures, and neither is dispensing birth control pills. I can see a Catholic hospital’s pharmacy dispensing birth control pills because there are many indications besides contraception in which to use them. But steriliazations only have one indication: the prevention of conception. There is no other indication that I know of for sterilization. They don’t treat painful periods and too much bleeding with tubal ligation.
A priest or Eucharistic Minister of the Sacraments an also bring the Sacrament to patients in a secular hospital. So to claim that the Bishop is withholding the Sacrament from patients of such a hospital is false. But truly, what’s fair is fair: if a hospital is not in compliance with Catholic rules and laws, they don’t have any business misleading the public by identifying as Catholic.
Like it or not, tubal ligations are not life-saving procedures, and neither is dispensing birth control pills. I can see a Catholic hospital’s pharmacy dispensing birth control pills because there are many indications besides contraception in which to use them. But steriliazations only have one indication: the prevention of conception. There is no other indication that I know of for sterilization. They don’t treat painful periods and too much bleeding with tubal ligation.
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Warrior1979
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I’m not familiar with the specific policies of Catholic hospitals, other than they would obviously be following Catholic morals.
It seems to me that Catholic hospitals could use hormones and tubal ligation for medical purposes. It would be improper to call these methods “birth control” if the primary purpose is medicinal.
It seems to me that Catholic hospitals could use hormones and tubal ligation for medical purposes. It would be improper to call these methods “birth control” if the primary purpose is medicinal.
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Rence
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As I said in my post above, I agree with you regarding hormone therapy. But there is no medical indication for tubal ligation that I know of, except birth control. They don’t treat fibroid, excessive bleeding and unmanageable pain with tubal ligation.
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Warrior1979
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We don’t know all the details regarding this matter. What if the hospital is removing the fallopian tube because of an ectopic pregnancy?
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Rence
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That’s not an abortion, at all, for anyone, even the Church. Abortion is the deliberate killing of a fetus.
When a pregnacy is tubal, the fallobian tube is removed. The primary intervention is removal of fallopian tube that is about to or has ruptured. The fact that there is an embryo in it is secondary. The Church teaches that in thise case, the loss of the embryo is an unintended side effect of the removal of the fallopian tube, not the intended effect.
In a tubal pregnancy, the Church fobids the use of methotrexate to cause the destruction and flushing of the embryo. The difference with this treatment is that the intervention is directed at the embryo itself. The primary intervention in this case is to affect the embryo.
A pregnant woman who has been diagnosed with uterine cancer is allowed by the Church to have treatment for cancer, even if the side effect of the treatment is the unintended harm/death to the fetus. So she can start chemo, or have her uterus removed, even if she is pregnant. This is not an abortion. Ideally, she should wait until the fetus can be delivered early and treated in the NICU, but this is not required of the Church. If she can’t wait, she can start treatment because the intervention is to treat the diseased organ, not to remove and discard the fetus.
A woman with a placenta that is about to rupture, or a ruptured placenta who has to undergo corrective surgery can do so, even if the unintended side effect is loss of the fetus. This is not an abortion. The action is on the placenta, not the fetus. Ideally the woman should be treated, if possible, until the fetus is viable and can be delivered early and transferred to the NICU. Obviously, if the woman is hemorrhaging, waiting isn’t possible, and emergency surgery is done with attempts to bring the fetus to viability in the NICU.
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Jim_Dandy
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No one is celebrating. It is the end of 100 years of Catholic health care in my city. It is sad, indeed, but necessary. A hospital may not call itself ‘Catholic’ and violate the moral teachings of the Church. To do so is deceptive. Catholics assume when they enter a Catholic hospital that Catholic ethics are practiced there, and may choose to go there for that reason. They need to know that the hospital is Catholic in name only. Though my son was born there, I and my family will never go there again.
You’re Presbyterian, so you may not know. Removing the designation “Catholic” from a hospital means that the name “Catholic” may not be used by that institution, that the Mass will not be celebrated daily in the hospital’s chapel, and that the Blessed Sacrament will not be permitted to remain there. However, any priest may offer Mass in a patient’s room and/or administer the sacraments to them if requested. The same applies to Catholic patients in secular hospitals. That’s what St. Joseph’s is now – a secular hospital with many Catholic statues and symbols – and some excommunicated personnel.
Jim Dandy
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