But should a Catholic hire a lawyer who is presenting arguments that are morally unacceptable? When your lawyer does such, wouldn’t you as a Catholic be morally and ethically required to fire him and get a morally responsible individual to represent you? BTW, in the last statement I read about it, it seems like CHI admits that what the lawyers did was morally wrong. I don;t know if they fired them or not.,Lawyers are paid to argue law as it is, not as how their clients might want it to be.
The church only wins when it’s teachings are followed. They can argue that the law that a fetus has no rights, but it’s against the teachings and beliefs of the church. This is a case by arguing the state’s position they win the argument but lose the war for Souls. You can’t believe one thing and then when it is convenient take an oposite position. The church will always suffer when it acts hypocritically.So the hospital’s actions in the lawsuit were wrong because the law is unjust? I’m asking because my position was contrary to what the Bishops concluded and I’m trying to figure out where my thinking went wrong.
Ok, I think I understand. The law being unjust means any product of the law (in this case protection from malpractice) is also unjust. An unjust law can only produce unjust and immoral effects. Any benefits of these effects are invalid due to the unjust and immoral manner by which they were produced. Correct?The church only wins when it’s teachings are followed. They can argue that the law that a fetus has no rights, but it’s against the teachings and beliefs of the church. This is a case by arguing the state’s position they win the argument but lose the war for Souls. You can’t believe one thing and then when it is convenient take an oposite position. The church will always suffer when it acts hypocritically.
Maybe this example might explain my position better. If a person sues you in court under a lie, or mistaken belief you have every right to defend yourself. You do not have the right to defend yourself with another known lie, even if legally you can tell that lie.Ok, I think I understand. The law being unjust means any product of the law (in this case protection from malpractice) is also unjust. An unjust law can only produce unjust and immoral effects. Any benefits of these effects are invalid due to the unjust and immoral manner by which they were produced. Correct?
I do like to argue, but not on this subject. I initially supported the hospital’s legal actions. Since the Bishops concluded that the hospital was wrong in their legal actions I now know my initial support was wrong. I’m trying to figure out why I was wrong so I can incorporate the reason I was wrong into my thought process so I don’t do it again.Maybe this example might explain my position better. If a person sues you in court under a lie, or mistaken belief you have every right to defend yourself. You do not have the right to defend yourself with another known lie, even if legally you can tell that lie.
It is not unjust to defend oneself against a law suite. It is immoral to tell a lie in it’s defense, even if you have the weight of civil law behind you. This is especially true if you know that law is immoral and is180 degrees from what you believe and teachings. You are knowningly agreeing with an immoral law if you use it in your defense, you are also being a hypocrite in doing so.
To me this is much more than a fun argument. Your last post tells me you like game of arguing. This is my last post on this subject.
I’m a Vietnam Vet and have a grandson who lives with me who suffers from major depression. I know your fight and will pray for you. You are thinking in legal, secular terms. I aproach this subject strickly from a moral formation. Not all civil law is moral, only in Gods law will you find clarity of thought and an absence of hypocracy. May God bless you.I do like to argue, but not on this subject. I initially supported the hospital’s legal actions. Since the Bishops concluded that the hospital was wrong in their legal actions I now know my initial support was wrong. I’m trying to figure out why I was wrong so I can incorporate the reason I was wrong into my thought process so I don’t do it again.
I apologize if my posts come off as me trying to “play games,” but PTSD and depression mess with your thought processes and communication skills (or at least they do with mine) and the best way I’ve found to make sure I fully understand someone is to take the approach used in my posts you view as me “playing games.”