I was puzzled as to why the mayor-elect would involve himself in an employment controversy at a Catholic school. After paging through the photos, I found the explanation: “Murray was recently married to his long-time partner Michael Shiosak.”
Not at all. Having been a teenager, I remember thinking it AT THE TIME. Myself and my peers were way to cocky and headstrong than we needed to be relative to what we actually knew. Ask any parent if the teenager thinks they know more than they actually do. probably 9/10 will emphatically say yes. Couple that with the fact that the majority of teenagers are more liberal than conservative (anecdotal, but accurate) and you know you aren’t dealing with a great lot.
Who said anything about not helping them:? Just because teenagers in general are an annoying lot doesn’t mean they don’t deserve our love or support? It just means they are annoying.Exactly.
The root of these problems, as some posters have already said, begins at home. It’s up to those who are older and wiser to provide the right mixture of restraint, tolerance, and discipline.
And adolescence is naturally a period of rebellion, where one can easily get “swept up” into things that would make one cringe later in life.
The best parents, catechists and mentors understand this. If St. John Bosco had gone around calling every rebellious kid “a little cretin”, he wouldn’t have gotten very far.
What are you talking about? You didn’t actually offer a specific solution.
The problem is they are teachings other kids, many younger, very bad things and examples. To allow them to run amok ignores the danger they present to others. I am as concerned with others they lead astray as I am them.
My apologies. I didn’t realize the situation was that bad. (Admittedly, I may be viewing it through rose-coloured glasses: I read the National Catholic Register online, and it’s full of heart-warming stories about the good deeds of American bishops, schools, colleges, and the like…)
So true, especially if the home environment is compromised already. Thanks for setting me straight.
Hi - thank you RPRPsych. Mind you, I am not for calling the students “cretins” or for punishing them necessarily. (beyond perhaps some kind of penalty so they understand that actions do have consequences). Keep reading the National Catholic Register and the stories - don’t get a distorted view of how bad things are. There are good schools even in the liberal diocese of Seattle. Problem is, the area itself is so liberal - the mayor even attended the rally in support of the fired vice principal. This rally took place at the Cathedral here in Seattle.My apologies. I didn’t realize the situation was that bad. (Admittedly, I may be viewing it through rose-coloured glasses: I read the National Catholic Register online, and it’s full of heart-warming stories about the good deeds of American bishops, schools, colleges, and the like…)
So true, especially if the home environment is compromised already. Thanks for setting me straight.
Now that’s sad. While youthful excess can be an excuse, someone older (like the mayor) ought to know better.
The mayor himself is gay, and I believe recently got “married.” Washington state recently legalized same-sex marriage. The archdiocese led the fight against the initiative - but ironically, the same folks that fought to pass the initiative are often celebrated and supported by Catholics here in Seattle, and given a platform to speak at archdiocesan events.Now that’s sad. While youthful excess can be an excuse, someone older (like the mayor) ought to know better.
I do love reading the NCR though.
If there was some kind of organized effort, we would be seeing a lot more court cases than a half-dozen or so.
I guess the thing is that in some cases it seems like sleeping around is okay compared to being gay. I’ll use this as an example. If Mr. Z had gotten Ms. X pregnant or was known to be living with Ms. X he might get fired, but there would be no moral outcry either for or against him. If he’s gay though, the church not only fires him (as they should) but there is a moral outcry from both sides. I guess I just feel like sometimes plain old fornication isn’t seen as bad. It’s a mortal sin just like homosexual relations. Yet even among folks who are against gay marriage, fornication gets a pass.
It is not a dismissal of the church. It is simply recognition of the way the laity and the clergy has acted - or, more accurately, not acted - on church doctrines.
Statistics like these on contraception, abortion, and gay “marriage”:
I didn’t say that’s what church doctrines had become. What I said is that is how many (and probably most) Catholics in the US take them.
Very true … but what has been the reaction of the clergy to such widespread disobedience? Crickets.
If someone decides to disobey church teaching they need to be told they have sinned, obedience is not optional, and they shouldn’t present themselves for communion until they have confessed the sin and amended their ways. Is that what has happened at your church because it certainly doesn’t seem to be the way this problem is typically handled.
In the case of a Mr. Z getting Ms. X pregnant or was known to be living with Ms. X and thus got fire, there would not be a moral out cry defending his lifestyle and demanding that the moral code be changed. I don’t see how this equates to getting a pass.
