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Francine_Peters
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1 Cor 12:13* For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.*
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reggieM
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Agreed, as above. We’re in one body and in one Spirit. Making distinctions between races is of no importance any more. Christ does not want His Body to be divided by racial categories.
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reggieM
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Ok, I think it’s a branch of Evangelicalism. That’s what I thought he was defending. In the Catholic Faith, any converts can retain their Hebrew culture, as any other ethnic groups do. But it’s not a separate identity within Catholicism, outside of culture and ethnicity.
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Muzhik
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For those who are interested, there is the Association of Hebrew Catholics found here. There are a number of good links there, including how to pray the Rosary in Hebrew.
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johnstown_johnn
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But Israel was broken apart 2,000 years ago and scattered… I am not a scholar in the Old Testament (and trust me…I am NOT being facetious, Lev) is there a prophesy that foretold the diaspora? If so, what was the reason God permitted such chaos on Israel? Is there a section that speaks to the “Return?” This is a valid question and is NOT snidely put forth. Pray for the peace of Israel. Shalom !:knight1:…despite what the God of Israel spoke through his holy prophets…
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vern_humphrey
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Israel, the kingdom of David and Solomon, broke apart closer to 3,000 years ago. The northern kingdon, Israel, with its capital at Samaria, was captured by the Assryians in the 8th Century, BC, and the people marched into captivity (the “lost tribes” of Israel.)
The kingdom of Judah, with its capital at Jerusalem, was conquered by the Babylonians, who destroyed Solomon’s Temple, in the early 6th Century BC, and the people marched into captivity (the "Babylonian Captivity.)
After about 50 years, the Persians captured Babylon. Cyrus the Great allowed the Jews under Nerubable to return to Jerusalem. Nerubable built a new temple on the ruins of Solomon’s Temple – but “so small and mean that those who had seen Solomon’s Temple wept to see it.”
Judah had a stormy existance thereafter, sometimes being independent, sometimes under the rule of the Egyptians or Salucids, and finally came under Roman rule. In 19 BC, Herod the Great tore down Nerubabel’s temple and rebuilt a copy of Solomon’s temple.
There were two major Jewish rebellions against the Romans. In the first, the Roman General Titus stormed Jerusalen and destroyed Herod’s temple. At the end of the second (Bar Kochba’s rebellion) from 133 to 135 AD, the Emperor Hadrian expelled the Jews, imposed the death penalty on Jews found within a days journey of Jerusalem, and built a Greco-Roman city on the ruins – Alea Capitolina. He built a temple to Jupiter on the Temple Mount.
In 632, the Muslims captured Jerusalem and allowed the Jews to return – after 500 years of exile.
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johnstown_johnn
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Thank you. That is a very thorough “walk-thru”. I am still nonplussed if there is a prophesy that foretells of expulsion from the Promised Land.
Jesus foretold of the Temple’s destruction but did not elaborate any farther, so it appears.
The temple’s destruction provokes all kinds of questions. The Temple was built by God’s very “blueprint.” God had manifested His actual presence by a silver cloud/beam at the sanctuary of the Holy-of-Holies." This sanctuary was the place the Arch of the Covenant sat. To obfuscate the “Arch” a gold veil was built and was moved on special occasions to have the faithful view.
When Jesus breathed His last breath an "earthquake: occurred and a fissure at the foot of His Cross which continued on into the Temple and split the veil.
But I stray. The “Jewish State” was never a controversy as far as the Holy See but it always was a cocern about jerusalem. Pope John Paul wanted Jerusalem to be an “Open City” for ALL faiths and for pilgrims to journey to their holy sites. As long as it is an open city there would be no animus for one group to control.
Merry Christmas !
Jesus foretold of the Temple’s destruction but did not elaborate any farther, so it appears.
The temple’s destruction provokes all kinds of questions. The Temple was built by God’s very “blueprint.” God had manifested His actual presence by a silver cloud/beam at the sanctuary of the Holy-of-Holies." This sanctuary was the place the Arch of the Covenant sat. To obfuscate the “Arch” a gold veil was built and was moved on special occasions to have the faithful view.
When Jesus breathed His last breath an "earthquake: occurred and a fissure at the foot of His Cross which continued on into the Temple and split the veil.
But I stray. The “Jewish State” was never a controversy as far as the Holy See but it always was a cocern about jerusalem. Pope John Paul wanted Jerusalem to be an “Open City” for ALL faiths and for pilgrims to journey to their holy sites. As long as it is an open city there would be no animus for one group to control.
Merry Christmas !
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Muzhik
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The original partition plan for British Mandated Palestine called for a State of Israel for the Jews and a State of Palestine for the Arabs. Jerusalem was to be an “open city” under UN control. However, in the days leading up to the end of the British Mandate (which was never co-ordinated with either the Israelis or the Arabs), the Arabs started attacking Jewish settlements in earnest. (Various terrorist attacks against Jewish settlements and cities had been going on since at least the end of WW2, when there was serious talk of creating Israel.) These attacks lead up to an Arab cut-off of the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv highway, meaning Jerusalem was being blockaded by the Arabs.
Israel protested to the UN, which had been so adamant that Jerusalem not belong to the Arabs OR the Jews. The UN responded by yawning – having decided that Jerusalem was to be under UN control, the UN was unwilling to do anything to exert control. Besides, everyone knew the Arabs outnumbered the Jews by 5,000 to 1, so it was just a matter of time before the Jews were pushed into the sea.
When the War of Independence ended with multiple armistices with each of Israel’s neighbors, there were quite a few loud protests in the UN, since the Jews had violated the UN resolution by taking land that had been allocated to the Palestinians. No one objected to Jordan taking the land that was allocated to the Palestinians and annexing it. Instead of creating a Palestinian state, Jordan kept the Palestinians in refugee camps and moved Jordanian citizens in to the land they had captured. (This is one of the reasons why I’m against giving the PA any more power or land – they could have had a country back in 1948 if they had been willing to share.) The UN also did not complain about how Jordan now controlled most of Jerusalem and was now destroying religious (i.e. Jewish) sites and keeping the Jews from the Western Wall. It might make one wonder about the neutrality and fairness of the UN.
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johnstown_johnn
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IMHO, your history is flawed, seriously flawed. The accountings put forth are as one-sided as possible and do not show a modicum of insight from BOTH sides. This is not meant to be argumentative but there is no other way to express it.
Peace.
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Muzhik
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My apologies, Johnstown Johnn, but regarding “insight from BOTH sides”, at some point you have to say that wrong is wrong. The purse-snatcher may have (in their mind) perfect justification for his or her actions, but the courts generally side with the little old lady whose purse was snatched. The UN wanted Jerusalem to be independent city under UN control. When the road from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem is mined with Arab military units firing on units trying to run the gauntlet, while at the same time British-led Jordanian units are attacking Jerusalem from the east, and the UN does NOTHING?
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johnstown_johnn
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Is there a prophesy of Jews being expelled from the Promised Land? If so, is there a prophesy that speaks to the Return to the Promised Land?
Is there also a scripture of a State of Israel after the expulsion? If so, is it God’s will? And will He be made known to the world by way of the “new Israel?”
These are honest questions and in no way provocative. There seems to be a disconnect since Rome destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem (circa 70 AD).
Also, are there modern-day prophets as there were in the Old Testament?
Is there also a scripture of a State of Israel after the expulsion? If so, is it God’s will? And will He be made known to the world by way of the “new Israel?”
These are honest questions and in no way provocative. There seems to be a disconnect since Rome destroyed the Temple in Jerusalem (circa 70 AD).
Also, are there modern-day prophets as there were in the Old Testament?
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planter654
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Why was this statement made by Jesus when he says those who call themselves …Jews but are not Jews? Jesus was he not a Hebrew Israelite?
God Bless thank you
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