Catholic Lutheran anniversary

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Doooooon’t get me started.

Stomach churning hogwashumenism.
 
Laid back, yes…

But I ain’t no hand-holder! And heretics are still heretics…
 
I believe one idea of Catholic Lutheran dialogue is “to save at least some” by clarifying the differences and similarities.

I think those Lutherans who become Catholic aren’t doing so because the Catholic Church is similar to Lutherans but is essentially different in Doctrine and Dogma.

There are very definite and distinct differences between our two churches.
 
They converted out.

If they wanted to convert back in, I would entertain the thought, but mashing them back together I would not. There may be common internal components but the boundary membranes are impenetrable that way.
 
on_the_hill said:
From:
news.yahoo.com/catholics-lutherans-jointly-mark-reformation-anniversary-145732543.html

“Disputes over the authority of the Bible, which Lutherans stress more than Catholics, have narrowed so much that lingering differences would no longer justify maintaining their split, the report said. It spoke of the two churches sharing “unity in reconciled diversity” over these issues.”

Really? Are we really that close to each other?
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No.
There is no way to talk about the Lutherans without defining the Synod for the differences have been so great between them even on Justification.
The conservative Lutherans did not sign the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification
the Lutheran World Federation signed and that’s a big issue.

Authority? Miles apart with the Conservative Lutherans still Professing in the Concord book the Office of the Pope is AntiChrist. That is a big issue to “iron out”.

Morals?
ELCA with Women clergy, lax beliefs on homosexuality and abortion.

I really don’t see how we could be farther apart than the small step made by the JDDJ
signed. That took about what 500 years? And then the Confessional Lutherans did not sign it.
I believe it’s a myth that the Catholics and Lutherans are "similar’ and it’s because of the liturgy most likely in my opinion. My friend is a LCMS Lutheran Pastor and he would not agree we are remotely close I know; but that’s his opinion. The stress the differences
constantly.

Idolatry…Mary/Saints/
What happens after death…
Faith and Works…
and etc etc etc.
women Clergy
abortion
homosexuality
etc depending on the Synod.
Role of Mary…etc etc
 
To be clear:

Luther is / was a heretic. I know we’re not s’posed to call Lutherans heretics. I’m not going to beat that old dead horse again…
 
Differences are in large part secondary level with agreement on primary. Both Lutherans and Catholics have mutually incorporated each others songs, responses , etc into their Mass/service.
 
Minnesota1 said:
Differences are in large part secondary level with agreement on primary. Both Lutherans and Catholics have mutually incorporated each others songs, responses , etc into their Mass/service.
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We once sang “A might fortress”, I have a book somewhere that was about the difference and the difference can be summed up in one word, (that may be an exagerration but basically true).

“Justification”.

Vatican Document:
JOINT DECLARATION
ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION
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by the Lutheran World Federation
and the Catholic Church
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Preamble
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1.The doctrine of justification was of central importance for the Lutheran Reformation of the sixteenth century. It was held to be the “first and chief article”[1] and at the same time the “ruler and judge over all other Christian doctrines.”[2] The doctrine of justification was particularly asserted and defended in its Reformation shape and special valuation over against the Roman Catholic Church and theology of that time, which in turn asserted and defended a doctrine of justification of a different character. From the Reformation perspective, justification was the crux of all the disputes. Doctrinal condemnations were put forward both in the Lutheran Confessions[3] and by the Roman Catholic Church’s Council of Trent. These condemnations are still valid today and thus have a church-dividing effect.
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vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html
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The Mother Church has acted charitably, let us hope we can as well.
 
Armor_of_Light said:
To be clear:

Luther is / was a heretic. I know we’re not s’posed to call Lutherans heretics. I’m not going to beat that old dead horse again…
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Yes, you are correct. And those that follow heresy are also heretics, no matter how sincere they are in their belief in that heresy. People can try to make it look nice, but error made pretty is still error.

And this is from a former heretic, now in communion with the Church. I was once such as they are now, but have been restored. Thanks be to God!
 
I agree though, being charitably, the ELCA has become a bit of a renegade church.

CLBA, WELS, LCMS, I do respect them.
 
Least said:
They converted out.

If they wanted to convert back in, I would entertain the thought, but mashing them back together I would not. There may be common internal components but the boundary membranes are impenetrable that way.
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Correct. Ecumenism = U-come-in-ism.
 
Michael57 said:
Yes, you are correct. And those that follow heresy are also heretics, no matter how sincere they are in their belief in that heresy. People can try to make it look nice, but error made pretty is still error.

And this is from a former heretic, now in communion with the Church. I was once such as they are now, but have been restored. Thanks be to God!
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I worry about cleaning up my own yard before I worry about my neighbor’s.
 
No one has said that only Catholics will get to heaven. The Church doesn’t teach that but all are saved through Jesus Christ and his Church. That’s another topic though; we should stick to the one at hand.
 
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