Catholic Medical Association thanks President Trump for ending Obamacare mandates

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It’s stuff like this that’s drives many American Christians to support Donald Trump despite his very serious problems.
The coercion of the nuns by the Obama administration appalled many Catholics and Evangelicals among other things. Voting for Clinton would have been a continuation of it. Voting for Trump was a gamble. Now that Trump’s administration followed through, it only solidifies his support among Christian, social and cultural conservatives (not the same things apparently) and libertarians.
What do the Democrats have to offer? Nothing from what I’m seeing. They don’t even want to admit what they’ve done has alienated many Christians, cultural conservatives (not the same as social conservatives apparently) and libertarian-minded voters.
 
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The coercion of the nuns by the Obama administration appalled many Catholics and Evangelicals among other things.
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I never understood that, it seemed spiteful and driven by ideology.
Even an atheist with a modicum of political common sense would understand it was a bad move.
 
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Unless something changed that I am not aware of, the problem here is that Trump exercised his executive authority alone. However, much like the Mexico City policy, another President in a term or two could just as easily put religious organizations back on the hook. We need a change in the actual law. It is still a positive move in the right direction though.
 
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I don’t think it’s law to begin with, it’s just how HHS chose to define and implement their broad mandate.

It’s gonna require a SCOTUS ruling to carve it out as a religious protection.
 
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The previous administration in the US was forcing Catholic groups to pay for abortion-causing drugs, sterilizations, and contraception. This included Catholic dioceses and even the “Little Sisters of the Poor.” This article mentions other similar programs that have been eliminated as well.
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Most employer sponsored plans have paid for contraception and sterilizations for decades and still do. Should Catholics opt out of those also?

For those on Medicare, I suspect it also pays for contraception and sterilizations (old people aren’t the only ones on Medicare). Should Catholics opt out of that also?
 
Sally, you didn’t get that we were talking about ‘business owners’ who are strong in faith, not employees?

The employee can opt not to use the benefit, but they don’t control what’s offered.
 
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Theo, shouldn’t employees also be strong in faith? Or is it only employers that have to be strong in faith?

Here is another way to think about it. If an insurance company offers any plans that cover contraception and/or sterilizations, should an employer strong in faith deal with them at all?
 
I think I said employees should not use the benefit.
They also have the choice of seeking out a different employer!

I don’t think employees should do a sit-in to get management to change the plan though, which it seems you are expecting.
 
Never thought about a sit-in. I have no clue why you thought I was suggesting that. I was asking if employees should sign up for the plan regardless of the employer’s faith. Since most of us work for corporations that have no faith, in spite of the legal fiction that they are people, it really seems like it should be the responsibility of the employee, not the employer.
 
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I never understood that, it seemed spiteful and driven by ideology.
Even an atheist with a modicum of political common sense would understand it was a bad move.
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Hatred of Christianity will drive even politicians to do things not in their own self interest.
 
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Never thought about a sit-in. I have no clue why you thought I was suggesting that. I was asking if employees should sign up for the plan regardless of the employer’s faith. Since most of us work for corporations that have not faith, in spite of the legal fiction that they are people, it really seems like it should be the responsibility of the employee, not the employer.
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Considering people have been signing up for such plans for decades and decades, perhaps you can search and find some guidance on what a catholic should do. I’ve never heard it suggested by Church authorities they don’t sign up for company healthcare. Not providing healthcare to your family in this way seems cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 
Why should a company be held to a higher standard than an employee?

If you pay your bills, you are providing healthcare to your family. Health Insurance is a way to get everyone in the same plan to share in the cost of your healthcare, it is not paying for it yourself.
 
Like I said, it’s obviously an old issue for which I’m sure you can find Catholic guidance upon.

Personally, I think the answer is obvious. The owner of a company has a higher responsibility for company policy than a mere employee.
 
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That’s the thing. Prior to the ACA birth-control was routinely covered under prescription drugs. Now they’ve politicized it. Hope they’re all happy now with their new premiums.
 
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