Catholic + non-Christian + kids = headaches

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In another thread some time ago I explained how my wife was a non-practicing Buddhist when we married, then became “born-again” in that faith soon after we had our three little gifts from God. At first things were amiable, and I listened to her patiently while she went on about the Four Truths, reincarnation, karma, etc. (BTW, the deacon assigned to us for pre-marriage counselling told us that if she would not be Catholic, then she should at least be a good Buddhist). Later, her personality took over and she began essentially to slam Christianity, threatening divorce so she could raise the kids her way, and questioning my intelligence for believing in the basic tenants of my faith. Over the last year or two this behavior has simmered to only occasional outbursts and she was less resistant to my efforts to get the kids to church and CCD. Due to her outbursts, I did not inform her when our son received First Communion last year and that the girls are on track to receive this coming May. For me, this alone was an achievement.
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We are now facing a transition. She is the primary breadwinner due to the salary her occupation provides, and she found employment in another city four hours away. I agreed to this decision since it is in a place where my family could provide support. In fact, she is living with my parents at this time. We intend to complete our move when the children are out of public school this year. Once we move, our routine for the kids will have to be reorganized. Hence the new problems:

*She desires for the children to start learning meditation in the temple in the new city.
*She desires for the children (especially our son) to learn Shaolin Kung Fu specifically at that temple ostensibly to learn self-defense, but more exposure to the temple is also intended.
*She wants our son to drop out of the Cub Scouts and soccer to accommodate these changes.
*She is beginning to regret the move, since my parents and I outnumber her and will do whatever we want and she won’t have a say in matters of raising her children (her words, not my sentiment).

As long as the children can continue their obligations to the Catholic faith, I have no issues with dropping Cub Scouts and soccer. I have no issues with the kids learning Vietnamese (though I prefer this would be at a church rather than the temple). If I am convinced that temple activities would not interfere with the maturation of the children’s Catholic faith, then I would reluctantly allow them to be exposed to their mother’s faith tradition. If I am convinced that Shaolin Kung Fu martial arts practices do not contradict the faith, then I would reluctantly allow this (am thinking I could be more receptive to Brazilian ju-jitsu).

Lots of if’s. Would divide it into separate threads, but it all comes down to my relationship with my wife. As long as the kids’ growth in the faith is not impaired, I could bend to any of these things. Suggestions on any of these matters is appreciated. God Bless You.
 
Gosh that’s a tough one.

I think it will be really confusing to your kids. However, if it keeps your family together you might have to let go and let God. Has she agreed they will continue, without missing anything, their Catholic faith/obligations?
 
*She desires for the children to start learning meditation in the temple in the new city.
*She desires for the children (especially our son) to learn Shaolin Kung Fu specifically at that temple ostensibly to learn self-defense, but more exposure to the temple is also intended.
*She wants our son to drop out of the Cub Scouts and soccer to accommodate these changes.
How do your kinds feel about this? I would think they should have some say in what activities they do.
 
No. Any and all of this will indeed undermine their faith. They will start to learn how to meditate, not to pray, and the two belief systems will be muddled up in their minds. They want to please both Mommy and Daddy and it is very likely that they will end up being nothing, because in effect, each parent is trying to brainwash them (that is how they will end up thinking).

She made a deal with you, not to interfere in raising the children as Catholics. What she is doing is reneging on the deal. She has been abusive by slamming your faith (in front of the children? I hope not.) and that must stop. She has no negotiating power from where she stands. There is no compromise, unless you want your children to be agnostics or atheists. I guess they could end up Buddhists, but it usually doesn’t work out that way. If there are religious wars in the house, the kids just throw up their hands and walk away.
 
We should have one forum for these mixed marriages threads, and then when people come to the forum to ask advice on whether they should marry their non-catholic boyfriend/girlfriend, we can point them that way to see all the pitfalls and issues that happen in these kinds of marriages. It’s a lot easier to be forewarned than regretful of making the mixed marriage decision.
 
Good idea thomas… but i think to paint the right picture we will have to put the threads where the mix marriages work to!
 
Later, her personality took over and she began essentially to slam Christianity, threatening divorce so she could raise the kids her way, and questioning my intelligence for believing in the basic tenants of my faith.
I’m curious about what sort of Buddhist she is. For some, this would not be surprising, but for many this is somewhat strange behavior.

(You mention the Vietnamese language. The Vietnamese Buddhists I know aren’t hostile to Christianity, which is one of the things that seems strange to me about your situation. I’m thinking both of the ones I know personally, who regard Christianity with curiosity and respect, and the more well-known, such as Thich Nhat Hanh, who tends to respect Christianity inasmuch as he understands it and encourage Christians to practice it mindfully.)
She desires for the children to start learning meditation in the temple in the new city.
Find out what you can about the meditation program. There are many varieties of Buddhist meditation, and some could be very problematic (e.g. some forms of mediation on the skandhas) while others would not necessarily be (e.g. mindful walking, which isn’t objectionable to any religion I can think of). I’m not saying I think a temple meditation program will be a great thing for your kids in any case, but I do think it helps to be informed regarding what the meditations would and would not include.
She desires for the children (especially our son) to learn Shaolin Kung Fu specifically at that temple ostensibly to learn self-defense, but more exposure to the temple is also intended.
Again, I would make efforts to learn what this does and doesn’t involve. There are many faithful, orthodox Catholics who practice martial arts, but you need to know more about philosophical and religious dimensions of the program.
She wants our son to drop out of the Cub Scouts and soccer to accommodate these changes.
Would he want to give up Cub Scouts and soccer? If he enjoys these, I would be disinclined to force or pressure him to stop. 😦
As long as the children can continue their obligations to the Catholic faith, I have no issues with dropping Cub Scouts and soccer.
At the same time, these may be activities your kids enjoy. And, being enjoyed by both Catholics and Buddhists, they’re not religiously contentious areas for you and your wife. I would count those good things in this scenario.
I have no issues with the kids learning Vietnamese (though I prefer this would be at a church rather than the temple).
Around here, there’s no shortage of Vietnamese Catholics. I hope that’s also true where you are. 🙂
 
Gosh that’s a tough one.

I think it will be really confusing to your kids. However, if it keeps your family together you might have to let go and let God. Has she agreed they will continue, without missing anything, their Catholic faith/obligations?
It is tough, and the kids do get confused in a way. By now they have realized that speaking with their mother about church activities is taboo, since they know mommy and daddy will probably be having one of their tense discussions soon after. They still slip up once in a while.

Whatever her objections, I must pursue my obligations as a Catholic parent. The children will always attend Sunday Mass and when at all possible go to “church school.” We had discussed my obligations before I proposed, during engagement encounter, and soon after the kids’ births. It is possible she did not realize what this meant originally, but her “born-again” experience does not regard that as an excuse. She wants them to stop all church activities and start going to temple.

I love my wife and want to keep our family together. Plus, I realize that any separation or divorce (really not an option to me) would probably compromise my obligations to the kids. I must pursue the course that allows me to teach the children in the faith. Even if at present at home it feels sometimes like being in an underground church.
 
How do your kinds feel about this? I would think they should have some say in what activities they do.
As parents we realize that there are a myriad of things that kids don’t really have a say in, though their opinions are always heard. Our son is intelligent and sensitive and realizes that the routine at home will be different after the move. He realizes that he will likely continue harp lessons, probably get back into the Cub Scouts, and possibly will not find a new soccer team. He has voiced no objections to the situation, and appears to have accepted it. The twin girls are “in the spectrum”, but are also sensitive and affectionate. They view their activities (piano + soccer) more as a means to socialize outside of school. They have not talked about the impact to their social lives.

Our son has no interest in martial arts. If he had shown any, he would have ended up joining some form of that before now. The girls haven’t a clue what it is about. Both would probably object to it if the parents started looking into the options. Still, as a Catholic parent I could not acquiesce to the kids’ interests if I believed their foundation in faith or morals would be compromised.
 
Schedule a meeting with your parish priest to have you and your wife come and talk about her doubts in Christianity. Most non-Christians are just ignorant about the Christian faith, and I am sure that you and your priest little by little could solve her doubts and convert her to the Catholic faith and bring her into Jesus’s loving family. If you think I am crazy, think again, ANYTHING is possible with the help of Jesus. 🙂

-Praying for you and your family. God Bless! 😃
 
Lots of if’s. Would divide it into separate threads, but it all comes down to my relationship with my wife. As long as the kids’ growth in the faith is not impaired, I could bend to any of these things. Suggestions on any of these matters is appreciated. God Bless You.
Very difficult, MBF. It really is not easy when parents belong to different denominations (the only experiences I have as my parents belonged to different Protestant communities and my husband and I did too) and it must be so much more difficult when the parents are of different faiths.

I suggest that you get yourself a good spiritual counsellor/advisor when you move, just to have an uninvolved outsider to discuss this with.

It seems that your children are old enough to have some (name removed by moderator)ut into which after school activities they would like to participate in, so this may help to keep them out of ‘temple’ activities. While parents can and should make the decisions about things like which school and church to attend, I do think they should consider their children’s opinions on other activities.

I do hope you will find ways that your wife will be able to see what she agreed to at the beginning of your marriage and not try to change the agreement now. May you all find a way to keep the marriage and family life strong and happy.
 
No. Any and all of this will indeed undermine their faith. They will start to learn how to meditate, not to pray, and the two belief systems will be muddled up in their minds. They want to please both Mommy and Daddy and it is very likely that they will end up being nothing, because in effect, each parent is trying to brainwash them (that is how they will end up thinking).

She made a deal with you, not to interfere in raising the children as Catholics. What she is doing is reneging on the deal. She has been abusive by slamming your faith (in front of the children? I hope not.) and that must stop. She has no negotiating power from where she stands. There is no compromise, unless you want your children to be agnostics or atheists. I guess they could end up Buddhists, but it usually doesn’t work out that way. If there are religious wars in the house, the kids just throw up their hands and walk away.
Agreed. Since all this began I keep recalling Lk 12:49-53.

For now, they do trust and love their parents and understand there are differences in faith. And also for now they prefer Christianity over Buddhism. Of course, it helps that the “temple school” their cousins go to can run from 8-10 hours long on Sunday, which is also unappealing. Our son is demonstrably better formed in Christianity than his sisters, but again the girls are “in the spectrum” and are less quick to grasp some things.

She has made mocking remarks to me in front of the children. At bedtime, she has had conversations with our son or daughters about our faith and hers. When the kids resist going to church occasionally, she does give them a person to run to and she would then be their “advocate” (This has not happened in several months). She has quietly introduced one daughter to her crystal singing bowl, and a meditation posture; however, it has been about a year since she did this, and dtr does not even play with the bowl anymore.

Wife’s family has mainly stayed out of all this. They realize the challenge we have to work through. If her personality were less aggressive, maybe they perhaps would be more sympathetic to her. I appreciate my in-laws 🙂
 
Wow. Reading this brings back memories of my childhood. Although I grew up in a Christian household it was two different denominations and it caused rifts. Leaned more towards Baptist though. In the end I made my own decision and became Catholic. Your kids will make the choice. Just DON’T GIVE UP!
 
We should have one forum for these mixed marriages threads, and then when people come to the forum to ask advice on whether they should marry their non-catholic boyfriend/girlfriend, we can point them that way to see all the pitfalls and issues that happen in these kinds of marriages. It’s a lot easier to be forewarned than regretful of making the mixed marriage decision.
Good idea thomas… but i think to paint the right picture we will have to put the threads where the mix marriages work to!
This could be a good example; although, my situation has not reached the worst case scenario and I pray it never will. I cannot look back upon my decision with regret, since God has blessed us with three little angels. If I had not married her, they would not exist. I also remember well my favorite priest–Corapi (pray for him)–giving an analogy that the hairshirt Christ can bestow upon us could be laying in bed right next to us. I hope for merit due to my situation and pray for the graces to handle things properly. Finally, I remember 1Cor 7:12-16. My obligation as a Christian is not only to myself and my children, but to her. I pray to God for a conversion within her everyday.

All that said, whenever I read in the forums of a couple thinking of marriage and trivializing the warnings they receive from the faithful about the pitfalls I cringe. May Christ watch over them and keep them and their little ones.
 
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If you check out my history in these forums, my initial posts were about her returning to Vietnamese Buddhism, which is her family’s faith tradition. Generally speaking, you are correct in that my own experience has shown none of this sort of behavior from Buddhists towards others’ beliefs. And the deacon’s counsel for her to be a “good Buddhist” would indicate that there could be harmony in the marriage.

Her personality is a tremendous influence in this dialogue. I know that to her my position with regard to raising the kids in Catholicism makes me stubborn and arrogant (her words). However, since before I met her she has admitted being ruled by her emotions, causing her to lash out at friends or family depending on the issue. Before looking into Buddhism she was reading all the self-help books (eg. Chicken Soup for the Soul, etc.) that she could find…but Christianity was not appealing to her thanks to the vengeful God described in the Old Testament. Am wondering if I have the bible-study course she took at Baylor University to thank for her understanding.
 
Losing Cub Scouts and soccer… that’s mainly due to her idea that something must make room for the other activities she is proposing. And no kidding…within the past two weeks I have had scheduling conflicts for my son twice involving harp, scouts and soccer. Everyday there is something happening after school, and at present my son misses his twice monthly den meetings because they occur when he goes to CCD.

Again, the kids would be losing piano/harp teachers, scout buddies, and soccer teammates in this move so they are faced with a transition in activities regardless. If I understand from any of them that they wish to pursue these again after the move, I would be inclined to back them.
 
Lots of Vietnamese Catholics in Texas, especially in the urban areas. Vietnamese is the third-most spoken language in the state. I would learn it, but need time and a competent course/instructor.
 
If you check out my history in these forums, my initial posts were about her returning to Vietnamese Buddhism, which is her family’s faith tradition.
I’m curious which Buddhist tradition it is, though. Thiền/Zen/Chan? More a point of personal curiosity than anything else. 🙂
Am wondering if I have the bible-study course she took at Baylor University to thank for her understanding.
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Lots of Vietnamese Catholics in Texas, especially in the urban areas.
In that case, a few thoughts come to mind… If there is a predominantly Vietnamese parish in your area, and you are not already doing so, you might consider attending Masses there with the kids, at least occasionally if not regularly. I see a lot of potential benefits in this.

I looked at some of your earlier posts, and you mentioned that part of your wife’s interest in Buddhism is based in a desire to rediscover and affirm her “roots.” That’s understandable. Your kids have Vietnamese roots too, and it’s also understandable that she wants them to appreciate this. Though she may yet be hostile to Christianity, attending a Vietnamese parish would at least be a good-faith demonstration that you want your kids to be connected to their Vietnamese roots too. At the same time, it would be a very tangible reminder to the kids that being Catholic and being Vietnamese are very compatible. There may be Vietnamese language classes available through the parish, for the kids and/or yourself, and, again, this connects the family with its Vietnamese roots.

You may also be able to seek counsel, through such a connection, from a pastor who lives in and/or serves the Vietnamese American community, regarding strategies for managing your currently tense situation. I am guessing-- rightly or wrongly-- that Vietnamese Americans might have more experience with mixed Christian/Buddhist marriages than many other American pastors have. And even if they don’t have experience with mixed marriages, they may have a better understanding of Vietnamese Buddhism and the historic relationships between Christians & Buddhists both in Vietnam and in the United States than many non-Vietnamese pastors.

I think there would probably be some other benefits, too, but those are pretty big. 🙂

Having looked at your earliest thread, I know that you were interested in learning more about Buddhism in order to better understand what your wife is studying/practicing. Did you make any progress in that regard? What have you looked into? Is that something you’re still interested in doing?
 
A born-again Buddhist?

There’s such a thing?
Rebirth means something different to Buddhists-- they believe we’ve all experienced it. 😉

Joking aside, I think it’s being used figuratively to express that she has a new/renewed conviction and zeal for it.
 
How can one be a zealous Buddhist? That would mean desiring to be the best Buddhist one could be, and the existence of that very desire would go against one of the core tenets of Buddhism: eliminate all suffering by eliminating desire.

Excuse me while I sit down. Got dizzy.

It’s a vicious circle. There’s someone I need to get in touch with and forgive…myself!
 
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