Catholic + non-Christian + kids = headaches

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I have a Buddhist background. Ask me question if you like 😃

Most of Buddhists are not fanatic. My father’s side is devout Buddhism and they never interfere with my Catholic faith. They even encourage me to practice Catholicism because they believe all religions teach people good things.

Most of Vietnamese churches teach Vietnamese too in a very organized and effective way. You can try to contact the Vietnamese church near you about this.
 
I live in Japan and am surrounded by nominal Buddhists. They never say anything about my Catholicism…wait, they never say anything to me at all. Come to think of it, I saw the neighbors going through my trash to see what foreigners eat.
 
How can one be a zealous Buddhist? That would mean desiring to be the best Buddhist one could be, and the existence of that very desire would go against one of the core tenets of Buddhism: eliminate all suffering by eliminating desire.

Excuse me while I sit down. Got dizzy.

It’s a vicious circle. There’s someone I need to get in touch with and forgive…myself!
Correct, I do not believe that the OP’s wife is practicing Buddhism. The attachment to her own viewpoint would violate the first principle - NOT to be attached!

:rolleyes:
 
@ aspirant

If you check out my history in these forums, my initial posts were about her returning to Vietnamese Buddhism, which is her family’s faith tradition. Generally speaking, you are correct in that my own experience has shown none of this sort of behavior from Buddhists towards others’ beliefs. And the deacon’s counsel for her to be a “good Buddhist” would indicate that there could be harmony in the marriage.

Her personality is a tremendous influence in this dialogue. I know that to her my position with regard to raising the kids in Catholicism makes me stubborn and arrogant (her words). However, since before I met her she has admitted being ruled by her emotions, causing her to lash out at friends or family depending on the issue. Before looking into Buddhism she was reading all the self-help books (eg. Chicken Soup for the Soul, etc.) that she could find…but Christianity was not appealing to her thanks to the vengeful God described in the Old Testament. Am wondering if I have the bible-study course she took at Baylor University to thank for her understanding.
Did she study at Baylor??? Or just take one course? There’s a difference. Although she could have been evangelized either way…
 
You mentioned you’d prefer he learn Vietnamese through a church- is there a group at a Catholic Church in new city? Could you all become involved in the group? Perhaps some friends who were also Catholic could at least lower her animosity toward the faith :confused:
 
Uhhhhh…why has no one suggested marriage counseling? That’s my first thought here. Someone said that they should go to his priest, but let’s face it, even if she goes she isn’t likely to care what he says. But it does sound like they need a neutral third party to help them with communication and respect, because a tense home environment won’t be good for anyone, especially the children.

She won’t honor the agreement she made before they got married anymore than a lapsed catholic who rediscovered their faith would be willing to honor an agreement not to teach their kids Catholicism. And let’s face it, she is the children’s mother, so there really is no telling her that she isn’t “allowed” or he won’t “let” her teach her own children. (Interestingly enough even courts won’t uphold a clause in a prenup about what religion the children will be raised in.)

Go to counseling, work on communication, respect, and compromise, and then tackle this issue together.

And be aware that if your wife finds out that you are secretly putting your children through your religious rituals she may retaliate, or even leave you.
 
Good morning and God bless everyone this Lord’s Day. I appreciate your contribution to this discussion and intend to ponder them and respond soon. There are many dimensions to our situation, as you have noticed.

Today, I take my kids to the zoo as a Cub Scout function…giving up a Suzuki harp event that would also have been very cool. Gave my son the choice (easy for him), and my wife is fine with his decision. I should be back posting again late today.
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One thing you should realize, just as you are doing things without telling her, she may start to do the same. I would prefer to be there, know what is. Wong said, and then be able to help my child recognize errors and truth.

And I really want to second the Vietnamese Catholic Church idea. It is a great way for your kids to honor both their mother and father.
 
One thing you should realize, just as you are doing things without telling her, she may start to do the same. I would prefer to be there, know what is. Wong said, and then be able to help my child recognize errors and truth.

And I really want to second the Vietnamese Catholic Church idea. It is a great way for your kids to honor both their mother and father.
Not only will she start doing things in secret he’s teaching his kids that it’s ok to keep secrets from their mother and do things she disapproves of behind her back. That’s undermining her authority as a parent and his marriage. And of course, eventually the kids will decide that if it’s ok to sneak around behind mom’s back then it’s ok to do the same to dad when they want something that he won’t allow.
 
I agree that neither parent should be “sneaking” the kids to do anything. Like others said, if Dad does it and Mom finds out, he’s provided her rationalization for sneaking around. And regardless whether the other parent finds out, the kids will learn that at least one (if not both) of their parents think that sneaking around parents/spouses is a good idea. That would be a bad scene.
 
Schedule a meeting with your parish priest to have you and your wife come and talk about her doubts in Christianity. Most non-Christians are just ignorant about the Christian faith, and I am sure that you and your priest little by little could solve her doubts and convert her to the Catholic faith and bring her into Jesus’s loving family. If you think I am crazy, think again, ANYTHING is possible with the help of Jesus. 🙂

-Praying for you and your family. God Bless! 😃
Thank you for your prayers. We always need them.

Since she has taken a bible course or courses at Baylor University (possibly a requirement?) she has had her fill of the baptist angle on interpretation. I would love to go to an RCIA class with her or Catholic bible study, but at present she is convinced she knows all she needs to with regard to all Christian denominations. She had been trying to convert me to Buddhism or at least regard some of the tenents as truths (reincarnation vs. resurrection, etc), but of course that doesn’t work for me.

I have taken the approach famously championed by St. Francis of Assisi: “Preach the gospel at all times; when necessary, use words.” Ironically, the Catholic disposition in terms of attitude towards life’s stumbling blocks (as I understand it) appeals to her. Many times she has commented that I am more Buddhist than she is. That’s my personality working, I guess. Daily prayers, private intentions at Mass, and prayers by close family members make up the rest of my effort. Please God help her and us, Amen.
 
I suggest that you get yourself a good spiritual counsellor/advisor when you move, just to have an uninvolved outsider to discuss this with.

It seems that your children are old enough to have some (name removed by moderator)ut into which after school activities they would like to participate in, so this may help to keep them out of ‘temple’ activities. While parents can and should make the decisions about things like which school and church to attend, I do think they should consider their children’s opinions on other activities.

I do hope you will find ways that your wife will be able to see what she agreed to at the beginning of your marriage and not try to change the agreement now. May you all find a way to keep the marriage and family life strong and happy.
I very much would like to see a spiritual counselor or even a marriage counselor. After the move is completed perhaps I will have the opportunity to find one.

We do consider the kids’ opinions in our decisions, which has helped keep things from moving towards temple activities in our current home area. We will keep them in music, but rest must be reexamined. Three kids in six extracurricular activities…something’s gotta give.

About the marriage agreement: she was reminded of that situation directly and plainly a couple years ago and definitely has kept that in mind. Hence her occasional threat to initiate a divorce simply to allow her to educate the kids in her faith. I have to take her words seriously, but her personality does drive her to say anything she feels at the moment without considering real life implications.

Amen to your last sentence 🙂
 
Wow. Reading this brings back memories of my childhood. Although I grew up in a Christian household it was two different denominations and it caused rifts. Leaned more towards Baptist though. In the end I made my own decision and became Catholic. Your kids will make the choice. Just DON’T GIVE UP!
I won’t. For as long as I can, I will. With God’s help and the prayers of those closest to me. And I have noticed some assistance from our guardian angels when I make a quick shout out to them before a potential conflict. It does work.
 
I’m curious which Buddhist tradition it is, though. Thiền/Zen/Chan? More a point of personal curiosity than anything else. 🙂

In that case, a few thoughts come to mind… If there is a predominantly Vietnamese parish in your area, and you are not already doing so, you might consider attending Masses there with the kids, at least occasionally if not regularly. I see a lot of potential benefits in this.

I looked at some of your earlier posts, and you mentioned that part of your wife’s interest in Buddhism is based in a desire to rediscover and affirm her “roots.” That’s understandable. Your kids have Vietnamese roots too, and it’s also understandable that she wants them to appreciate this. Though she may yet be hostile to Christianity, attending a Vietnamese parish would at least be a good-faith demonstration that you want your kids to be connected to their Vietnamese roots too. At the same time, it would be a very tangible reminder to the kids that being Catholic and being Vietnamese are very compatible. There may be Vietnamese language classes available through the parish, for the kids and/or yourself, and, again, this connects the family with its Vietnamese roots.

You may also be able to seek counsel, through such a connection, from a pastor who lives in and/or serves the Vietnamese American community, regarding strategies for managing your currently tense situation. I am guessing-- rightly or wrongly-- that Vietnamese Americans might have more experience with mixed Christian/Buddhist marriages than many other American pastors have. And even if they don’t have experience with mixed marriages, they may have a better understanding of Vietnamese Buddhism and the historic relationships between Christians & Buddhists both in Vietnam and in the United States than many non-Vietnamese pastors.

I think there would probably be some other benefits, too, but those are pretty big. 🙂

Having looked at your earliest thread, I know that you were interested in learning more about Buddhism in order to better understand what your wife is studying/practicing. Did you make any progress in that regard? What have you looked into? Is that something you’re still interested in doing?
I don’t know if she knows what specific tradition she follows…only that her family here and in Vietnam practice it.

Yes, I should resume that. There was a time I was taking the kids sporadically to the local Vietnamese Catholic church. The service there is the same in all respects except that it is solely in Vietnamese and I believe they do some form of adoration to Our Lady of La Vang immediately after.

Counsel with a Vietnamese American priest could be helpful. But I think I am dealing with her personality at least as much as her new-found zeal for her faith. We then also need a counselor to help us communicate better and help her manage her emotions better. It would also be good for me in order to help deal with my own shortcomings.

I should look into studying the Buddhist faith again. I stopped soon after she began attacking Christianity, since it made no sense to me to try while she exhibited no charity towards my own faith.
 
A born-again Buddhist?

There’s such a thing?
Rebirth means something different to Buddhists-- they believe we’ve all experienced it. 😉

Joking aside, I think it’s being used figuratively to express that she has a new/renewed conviction and zeal for it.
Definitely figuratively. It’s Buddhism or bust for her 🙂
Although… she has stumbled upon New Age literature with regard to reincarnation and spirituality and this has made things more…interesting at times. She purchased a Sylvia Browne book, several books on past-life regressions…including about someone who claims to have all kinds of details of ancient Egypt. She possesses literature about UFO’s, alien encounters, spirit guides, etc. In addition to the myriad of CD’s, DVD’s and other literature covering true Buddhism.

As a Vietnamese Buddhist, she has no qualms about visiting fortune-tellers about once every year or two. She had one in our home once, and I refused to enter the house when that was going on. Another such woman she once met in her sister’s home. One of those ladies professed to be a Catholic and told my wife that I was “stubborn” in Vietnamese, since I refused to participate.

@ aspirant
Her favorite monk is TT Thích Chân Quang. He does have a calm, assuring demeanor and can be found on YouTube. Some of his lectures have English subtitles, so maybe I could get back to trying to understand what her faith is all about.
 
How can one be a zealous Buddhist? That would mean desiring to be the best Buddhist one could be, and the existence of that very desire would go against one of the core tenets of Buddhism: eliminate all suffering by eliminating desire.

Excuse me while I sit down. Got dizzy.

It’s a vicious circle. There’s someone I need to get in touch with and forgive…myself!
I pointed that out once, but after a short somewhat meaningful conversation she launched into one of her many issues with Christianity and the whole discussion deteriorated.

Ironically, again, our engagement counselor deacon had appealed to her that if she wouldn’t convert she should at least try to be a good Buddhist. My wife gets hung up on the words “at least” since that implies that we regard Buddhism as inferior to Christianity. It’s tricky trying to communicate with her about these matters.
 
I have a Buddhist background. Ask me question if you like 😃

Most of Buddhists are not fanatic. My father’s side is devout Buddhism and they never interfere with my Catholic faith. They even encourage me to practice Catholicism because they believe all religions teach people good things.

Most of Vietnamese churches teach Vietnamese too in a very organized and effective way. You can try to contact the Vietnamese church near you about this.
Thanks for your support. I think that her fervor is stoked in part because we have children. She sees me taking the kids to Mass and knows I take them to “church school”. Meanwhile she is their mother and really wants to introduce them to her faith and feels they are being influenced away from her as a result of my obligations. Understandable.

I will start looking into Vietnamese classes at the local church this week. 👍
 
I have taken the approach famously championed by St. Francis of Assisi: “Preach the gospel at all times; when necessary, use words.” Ironically, the Catholic disposition in terms of attitude towards life’s stumbling blocks (as I understand it) appeals to her. Many times she has commented that I am more Buddhist than she is. That’s my personality working, I guess. Daily prayers, private intentions at Mass, and prayers by close family members make up the rest of my effort. Please God help her and us, Amen.
I very much would like to see a spiritual counselor or even a marriage counselor. After the move is completed perhaps I will have the opportunity to find one.
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her occasional threat to initiate a divorce simply to allow her to educate the kids in her faith. I have to take her words seriously, but her personality does drive her to say anything she feels at the moment without considering real life implications.
In this particular instance, I’m praying it’s all talk and blowing off steam. :o
There was a time I was taking the kids sporadically to the local Vietnamese Catholic church. The service there is the same in all respects except that it is solely in Vietnamese and I believe they do some form of adoration to Our Lady of La Vang immediately after.
I honestly think this has a lot of positive potential, at least for you and your kids, and especially as they get older. 🙂

And you’ve just reminded me: Prayers to Our Lady of La Vang and the Holy Martyrs of Vietnam would not go amiss! 😃
I think I am dealing with her personality at least as much as her new-found zeal for her faith.
No doubt! I don’t recommend the Vietnamese pastor as an alternative to marriage counseling, but as a supplement especially for yourself. 🙂
I should look into studying the Buddhist faith again. I stopped soon after she began attacking Christianity, since it made no sense to me to try while she exhibited no charity towards my own faith.
I can definitely understand that. 🙂

I know you’ve received book recommendations before, but here are my unsolicited suggestions if you don’t mind my two cents. :twocents:

Generally speaking, I find it most helpful to use firsthand sources. I mean this: when people want to know more about and better understand Catholicism, I think it’s usually better that they get their primary info from Catholic sources. Sure, not all Catholic sources are great, and some non-Catholic sources are remarkably good, but overall, the Catholic sources tend to convey a more accurate picture. Even a very intelligent, educated, and well-intentioned N.T. Wright (Anglican) sometimes writes things about Catholicism that make me wince, if you know what I mean. 🙂

I feel the same way about Buddhism. When I study Buddhism, I think it’s usually better to get my primary info from Buddhist sources. It can be confusing at times, because we sometimes use the same words with different meanings, but a Buddhist is generally a better representative of what Buddhism really is and isn’t than someone else.

That said, here are my suggestions…

Buddhism: A Concise Introduction by Huston Smith and Philip Novak. This one is a good general intro for the non-Buddhist, very simple and readable, and not very long. Probably available through your local library. Not Vietnamese or even Mahayana specific, but it will cover the basics.

Buddhism for Beginners by Thubten Chodron. This book is by a Tibetan nun, so her specific tradition (Vajrayana) is different from your wife’s (probably Thien/Zen). But they are both Mahayana traditions and it strives to be a very basic and general presentation (not merely Vajrayana). I think it’s pretty engaging. The explanation of emptiness/selflessness (a.k.a. no-self/not-self) is one of the best I’ve seen for a Western audience unfamiliar with Buddhism, and that’s a very hard thing to communicate! This book will be a little harder to find at a library, but I think it’s well worth the trouble of interlibrary loan, purchasing a used copy, etc.

The Heart of the Buddha’s Teaching by Thich Nhat Hanh. Most books by Thich Nhat Hanh appear to be collections of his speeches/talks about specific topics shaped into a book by his disciples (I don’t say this as an insult, plenty of speakers “write” their books this way). This one is an actual book-book, and it’s his only general introduction to Buddhism. I think this book would be difficult to make your first, but excellent after one or both of the two above. This is a more thorough presentation of Zen Buddhism by a Vietnamese master, and I think this would put it closest to your wife’s probable tradition. I think it’s very likely your local library will have this.

Living Buddha, Living Christ and Going Home: Jesus and Buddha as Brothers by Thich Nhat Hanh. These are much briefer reflection-style books in which Thay (as he is called) explores Buddhism & Christianity-- as he understands them-- in an effort to encourage interfaith dialogue and cooperation. You won’t necessarily agree with his point of view or what he has to say (in fact, you may be reminded of what I said above about Christians being better at representing Christianity!), but I think it is worthwhile to get this perspective, especially from someone whose tradition is probably similar to your wife’s but whose perspective and practice seems quite different. I think it’s very likely that your local library will have one or both of these books.
 
@ aspirant
Her favorite monk is TT Thích Chân Quang. He does have a calm, assuring demeanor and can be found on YouTube. Some of his lectures have English subtitles, so maybe I could get back to trying to understand what her faith is all about.
Thanks! I’m going to check him out, because I’m curious. 😃
She sees me taking the kids to Mass and knows I take them to “church school”. Meanwhile she is their mother and really wants to introduce them to her faith and feels they are being influenced away from her as a result of my obligations. Understandable.
Very understandable, I think. That’s one of the reasons I’m so fired up about the idea of you encouraging and facilitating their connection with other Vietnamese Americans. Even if they don’t share in Mom’s faith, they do share Mom’s heritage, and you’re not trying to steal them away from that. 🙂
I will start looking into Vietnamese classes at the local church this week. 👍
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Did she study at Baylor??? Or just take one course? There’s a difference. Although she could have been evangelized either way…
She got her B.S. at Baylor. I think that is mainly a Baptist-run institution? It is a very good university, and I think Biblical studies is/was a mandatory elective. Don’t know if that constituted one course or more.

She was taken to an outside bible study or two by some of her fellow students, and I think they wanted her to attend a Sunday service with them. She observed their zeal and love of God, but perhaps she considered their faith misplaced. Twice my wife told me how one of her classmates launched into a short litany of “Praise Jesus!” for finding a vacant spot in a crowded parking lot and how ridiculous that was. Wife is a dedicated student, and while in the Bible course she was called out by the instructor for being more intuitive about the Scriptures than many cradle Christians in the same class.

Her disposition currently does not accept any teaching of the Church, but is open to what third parties have to say. Mainly Buddhist sources, the History Channel, and her New Age literature… which hardly explains what we as Catholics are all about.
 
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