Catholic nuns urge passage of Obama's health bill

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Maybe they think that it will cause a greater good. They said that it will not fund abortions so I don’t see the problem with it. Also, getting a discount on an abortion isn’t going to sway anyone’s decision to get one. I can’t imagine a hundred bucks or something is going to make or break someone getting an abortion.
The central issue is NOT what they might be thinking. Instead the issue is that the groups are acting in defiance of the bishops’ directives. Who really cares what these Sisters are thinking? They are small groups of radical women who do NOT represent all nuns or all Sisters in the nation.
 
The central issue is NOT what they might be thinking. Instead the issue is that the groups are acting in defiance of the bishops’ directives. Who really cares what these Sisters are thinking? They are small groups of radical women who do NOT represent all nuns or all Sisters in the nation.
So all nuns (and Catholics in general for that matter) should just shut up and agree with whatever the bishops say?
 
Hiyas:)

I’ll say it this way…ObamaCare does not support the Dignity or Reverence of ALL life. This includes these innocents…The unborn, the elderly, disabled This is a most basic and fundamental Teaching of Catholicism.

If you are at odds with these most basic fundamental Teachings - You are at odds with Catholicism - thus you separate yourself from Catholics.

It is not “Social Justice” to exclude or deny these, the most fragile of Society for the "rights’ you think overshadow their needs.
 
So all nuns (and Catholics in general for that matter) should just shut up and agree with whatever the bishops say?
When bishops are acting in their teaching capacity, in authority over their flocks, one might hope that all Catholics would trust that the bishops are acting with grace of office and after much prayer and consultation. Why instead should anyone follow the wishes and advice of any historically radical nun-group?

If the bishops suffered group dementia and ordered Catholics to sin, then THAT order can be ignored. For some “nuns” or any other group of Catholics to believe that they are more graced in such teaching authority and are free to over-ride the bishops, then shame on all of them.
 
And now we have the Council of Major Superiors of Womens Religious siding with the USCCB.

cmswr.org/pdf/Mother%20Mary%20Quentin%20Statement%20on%20Health%20Care%20Proposal.pdf
Recent statements from groups like Network, the Catholic Health Association and the Leadership Conference of Women Religious (LCWR) directly oppose the Catholic Church’s position on critical issues of health care reform.
Take a look at the two organizations of women religious (CMSWR and LCWR) and it’s pretty clear which one represents true Catholic teaching. 👍
 
i’ve noticed some of the nuns up here act strangely. I was sitting in front of one, and for the responsorial Psalm she wouldn’t refer to God as “Him”, but said “God” in place of it. I also heard first hand how a group of sisters pray at their house: “In the name of the Creator, Redeemer, and Sanctifier”…
I thought that God* was* the Creator, Redeemer and Sanctifier…
 
Whether or not you are correct is immaterial. Forcing the moral moeurs of pro abortionists on pro lifers by forcing the latter to fund the moral choices of the former through taxation is the issue.

Secular liberals are entitled t their views however grotesque but are not entitled to have their morality funded by the taxpayer. Surely is aborting children is so essential to their foul lifeview they can set up trust funds to fund the obscenity.
I have not read the Senate bill, but I have been told that it does *not *fund abortions…
 
Are those of you here posting against reform really Catholic? The hatred and vitriole hardly sound Catholic, let alone Christian. Do you not value a life after it is born? Do you not believe that the thousands who suffer and die regularly, because they have no resources for healthcare are not worthy of your support and passion, just as you have for the yet to be performed abortions? If you are pro-life, doesn’t that mean all life? Aren’t we as Catholics taught to care for one another, and love one another as Jesus has loved us? St. Matthew’s Gospel says: “‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’ Then the righteous will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’ And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’” (Matthew 25:34b-40) Read this: bustedhalo.com/features/for-i-was-ill-and-you-cared-for-me/
 
And now we have the Council of Major Superiors of Womens Religious siding with the USCCB.

cmswr.org/pdf/Mother%20Mary%20Quentin%20Statement%20on%20Health%20Care%20Proposal.pdf

Take a look at the two organizations of women religious (CMSWR and LCWR) and it’s pretty clear which one represents true Catholic teaching. 👍
Does anyone know how many nuns are represented by each group? I read one source that said the majority of the 59,000 nuns in the US were represented by the LCWR.
 
Are those of you here posting against reform really Catholic?
Hiyas:)

I’ll say it this way…ObamaCare does not support the Dignity or Reverence of ALL life. This includes these innocents…The unborn, the elderly, disabled This is a most basic and fundamental Teaching of Catholicism.

If you are at odds with these most basic fundamental Teachings - You are at odds with Catholicism - thus you separate yourself from Catholics.

It is not “Social Justice” to exclude or deny these, the most fragile of Society for the "rights’ you think overshadow their needs.
 
Does anyone know how many nuns are represented by each group? I read one source that said the majority of the 59,000 nuns in the US were represented by the LCWR.
Hiyas:)

I seriously doubt that the Sister who wrote the approval of ObamaCare, even asked her constituents…let alone read the 20000 plus pages…So in this case, I doubt they represent the numbers they quote.

I hope this helps
 
Are those of you here posting against reform really Catholic? The hatred and vitriole hardly sound Catholic, let alone Christian. Do you not value a life after it is born? Do you not believe that the thousands who suffer and die regularly, because they have no resources for healthcare are not worthy of your support and passion, just as you have for the yet to be performed abortions? If you are pro-life, doesn’t that mean all life? Aren’t we as Catholics taught to care for one another, and love one another as Jesus has loved us? St. Matthew’s Gospel says: “‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.’ Then the righteous will answer him and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?’ And the king will say to them in reply, ‘Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’” (Matthew 25:34b-40) Read this: bustedhalo.com/features/for-i-was-ill-and-you-cared-for-me/
I agree with you sadwife, you hit the nail on the head: people who are sick need to be cared for. This Bill isn’t going to make a difference with regards to access to abortion and it clearly states taxpayer dollars aren’t to be used to fund abortions. Even if it did, we can’t ignore the fact that people need medical attention and this bill will bring more care to the people.

And sadwife, it’s extremely inappropriate for someone to tell you that you are not in communion with the Church or that you separate yourself from Catholics by thinking outside the box. I’d recommend you just talk to your priest about these issues. Though, you may want to separate yourself from certain Catholics on this board who decide it’s their place to judge you and determine the state of your soul 😉
 
Does anyone know how many nuns are represented by each group? I read one source that said the majority of the 59,000 nuns in the US were represented by the LCWR.
I need to correct my previous post. The source was Network and a couple of snippets from their letter state:

NETWORK, A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby, released the text of a letter to Congress supporting healthcare legislation from organizations and communities representing tens of thousands of Catholic Sisters.

As the heads of major Catholic women’s religious order in the United States, **we represent 59,000 Catholic Sisters in the United States **who respond to needs of people in many ways.

The letter is signed by the heads of numerous religious orders.
networklobby.org/press/3-17-10HealthcareSistersLetter.htm

I found this on the LCWR website:
The Leadership Conference of Women Religious ( LCWR ) is the association of the leaders of congregations of Catholic women religious in the United States . The conference has more than 1500 members, **who represent more than 90 percent of the 59,000 women religious in the United States **. Founded in 1956, the conference assists its members to collaboratively carry out their service of leadership to further the mission of the Gospel in today’s world.

So I guess I answered my own question. This is a very sad statement on the nuns in America. I wonder how many individual nuns support this and if there will be a backlash within some communities.
 
And sadwife, it’s extremely inappropriate for someone to tell you that you are not in communion with the Church or that you separate yourself from Catholics by thinking outside the box. I’d recommend you just talk to your priest about these issues. Though, you may want to separate yourself from certain Catholics on this board who decide it’s their place to judge you and determine the state of your soul 😉
Hiyas:)

Actually, She was doing the judging with her statement
Are those of you here posting against reform really Catholic?
My post was in answer to hers.

I’ll stand by it… Social Justice - reform… can not be at the expense of the most innocent of our Society. To think it can… goes against Catholicism.
 
And sadwife, it’s extremely inappropriate for someone to tell you that you are not in communion with the Church or that you separate yourself from Catholics by thinking outside the box. I’d recommend you just talk to your priest about these issues. Though, you may want to separate yourself from certain Catholics on this board who decide it’s their place to judge you and determine the state of your soul 😉
Hiyas:)

Actually, She was doing the judging with her statement
Are those of you here posting against reform really Catholic?
My post was in answer to hers.

I’ll stand by it… Social Justice - reform… can not be at the expense of the most innocent of our Society. To think it can… goes against Catholicism.

I was taught …you can’t get a clean floor - using muddy mop water -

Reform means just that
 
I need to correct my previous post. The source was Network and a couple of snippets from their letter state:

NETWORK, A National Catholic Social Justice Lobby, released the text of a letter to Congress supporting healthcare legislation from organizations and communities representing tens of thousands of Catholic Sisters.

As the heads of major Catholic women’s religious order in the United States, **we represent 59,000 Catholic Sisters in the United States **who respond to needs of people in many ways.

The letter is signed by the heads of numerous religious orders.
networklobby.org/press/3-17-10HealthcareSistersLetter.htm

I found this on the LCWR website:
The Leadership Conference of Women Religious ( LCWR ) is the association of the leaders of congregations of Catholic women religious in the United States . The conference has more than 1500 members, **who represent more than 90 percent of the 59,000 women religious in the United States **. Founded in 1956, the conference assists its members to collaboratively carry out their service of leadership to further the mission of the Gospel in today’s world.

So I guess I answered my own question. This is a very sad statement on the nuns in America. I wonder how many individual nuns support this and if there will be a backlash within some communities.
As I posted yesterday:

"Best explanation is this.

This group of women is called the Leadership Council of Women Religious. They are rather notorious for their radicalism and by no means, does this group include most vowed religious Sisters in the USA. Link below leads to their site’s page of their leaders and former leaders since their beginning. One example of former leaders is one Sr. Theresa Kane RSM who chose to “welcome” Pope John Paul II to the cathedral in Wash DC by insulting him and berating him regarding his “limitations” on women. (The “issue” in those days was the Holy Father’s clear refusal to ordain women-priests in the Catholic Church.)

In a very unusual move to shield their actual identity now, the LCWR, for once, did not fly their own banner to news sources. Then again, any Catholic of a certain age would remember the actions of Sr. Kane and the LCRW.

It took me six searches to find their identity re the ‘statement.’

http://www.lcwr.org/lcwraboutus/lcwrofficers.htm"
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And again, yesterday:

"More on recent history of the LCWR:


[acatholicview.blogspot.com/20...bort-lcwr.html](http://acatholicview.blogspot.com/20...bort-lcwr.html) 


"Thursday, August 13, 2009

Amid Vatican probes, Pro-abort LCWR keynote speaker is papal critic 

In the midst of two Vatican inquiries-- the Apostolic Visitation of Institutes of Women Religious in the United States, and an investigation by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith into “the tenor and the doctrinal content of various addresses” at its meetings-- the Leadership Conference of Women Religious is featuring Cokie Roberts as the keynote speaker at its annual assembly, which is taking place in New Orleans.

Mrs. Roberts-- who has described Pope Benedict XVI as “really lacking in the theological virtue of charity,” and who has called pro-lifers “extremists”-- is a critic of Catholic teaching on embryonic stem-cell research. Appearing on ABC-TV in 2007, Mrs. Roberts said that she found the federal law against partial-birth abortion “offensive as a woman.”

American Nuns Honor Pro-Abortion Cokie Roberts as Vatican Investigation Continues"



Both posts are on pg 1 of this thread.
 
As I posted yesterday:

"Best explanation is this.

This group of women is called the Leadership Council of Women Religious. They are rather notorious for their radicalism and by no means, does this group include most vowed religious Sisters in the USA. .
I did read your post before. That was one of the reasons I went looking for membership data.
How do you square your statement above with the quotes I bolded from the Network and LCWR websites re: their membership?

P.S. Their letter in opposition to the USCCB position seems to be even more controversial when considering that the Apostolic Visitations begin next month. Are they thumbing their noses at the clergy?
 
I did read your post before. That was one of the reasons I went looking for membership data.
How do you square your statement above with the quotes I bolded from the Network and LCWR websites re: their membership?
The numbers claimed have been disputed often in recent days (news). I can’t backtrack for you now but go to google and you’ll find the same disparity. Oddly the LCWR makes the claim of 59,000 but keeps secret its member list. Because the group has been historically and frequently duplicitous, I have no reason to believe their claim. (For example one of the “stars” of LCWR, Theresa Kane, the sister who insulted the Holy Father nearly 40 years ago is currently active in work that promotes women’s ordination.)

Some things never change.

As for Network, its own claim is this:
"NETWORK’s membership, which includes both individuals and organizations, represents more than 100,000 people. This vast constituency is committed and active. When our national office puts out the word that Congress needs to hear from our members on critical legislation, our members respond by calling, writing, emailing or visiting their Senators and Representatives, and by mobilizing others to take action as well.

Since our founding in 1971 by 47 Catholic sisters, NETWORK has been faithfully answering the Gospel call to act for justice. We invite you to join us."

(As members, it lists no more than the original 47 Sisters.)

networklobby.org/about/index.html
 
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