Catholic or "Christian"?

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Laughing, because when we drive by the local Church of Christ, my daughter tends to comment that it can’t be because it’s not Catholic.

I had no idea that Catholics weren’t considered Christians in some circles until I was in college and found that some of my friends were praying for me.
Yeah some of my Concerned Protestant brothers and sisters are praying that I will see the Light and come into the truth and return home as the prodicgal son did.

I thank them for their prayers and say that the prodigal son did return home, when you guys gonna follow? 😃

A couple of discreet coughes and a remark about oh I there’s so and so, I gotta go and say hi to them kind of thing.

God bless.
 
The scariest thing I think about suggesting that Catholics aren’t Christian…is that it suggests that Christ wasn’t telling the truth when He spoke of how the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church.

If Catholics aren’t Christians, then that means that Christianity became totally extinct for roughly 1500 years before the Reformation happened. Also it means that the Bible was preserved and put together by a bunch of “pagan idol worshippers”. This is really scary, it means Hell prevailed for a long time, if this is the case then Jesus wasn’t telling the truth about His Church.

How a logical and rational person can believe Catholics aren’t really Christians and still claim to be a follower of Christ and the Bible is beyond me.

I think if you know what denomination the person is coming from a good answer to the question would be to spin the question back at them.

examples:
“Are you a Baptist or a Christian?”
“Are you a Methodist or a Christian?”
“Are you a Presbyterian or a Christian?”
“Are you a Campbellite or a Christian?”

When they look confused…then let them know that they had just asked you a similar question. This may not work in certain circumstances obviously depending on how the person identifies.
 
The scariest thing I think about suggesting that Catholics aren’t Christian…is that it suggests that Christ wasn’t telling the truth when He spoke of how the gates of Hell would not prevail against His Church.

If Catholics aren’t Christians, then that means that Christianity became totally extinct for roughly 1500 years before the Reformation happened. Also it means that the Bible was preserved and put together by a bunch of “pagan idol worshippers”. This is really scary, it means Hell prevailed for a long time, if this is the case then Jesus wasn’t telling the truth about His Church.

How a logical and rational person can believe Catholics aren’t really Christians and still claim to be a follower of Christ and the Bible is beyond me.
I think this is why baptists formulated their whole trail of blood theory… Though there is no historical evidence for it perse, they peiced together a faux history based generally upon some things we know happened to real Christians (persecutions, maryterdom, the existance of certain heretical group) and formulated into something which, on the surface, seems beleivable enough if you are striving to believe evangelical doctrine.
 
When I was in elementary school I had the following conversation with my best friend

Me: So what religion are you?
Her: I am Christian.
Me: Well I know that. But what religion are you?
Her: confused I’m Christian
Me: We are in the middle of Kansas- 95% of us are Christian, what religion are you?
Her: You aren’t Christian, you are Catholic.
Me: confused

I went home and told my mom who explained to me that Protestants tend to describe themselves as Christians rather than Baptists or Lutherans or whatever.

I asked why and my dad said “So you don’t know what argument to use against them.” 😃

Whenever I am told I am not Christian I say: “Well, neither are you then, because you are using our Book. By the way, can we have that back?”

They usually back away very, very slowly.
 
When I was in elementary school I had the following conversation with my best friend

Me: So what religion are you?
Her: I am Christian.
Me: Well I know that. But what religion are you?
Her: confused I’m Christian
Me: We are in the middle of Kansas- 95% of us are Christian, what religion are you?
Her: You aren’t Christian, you are Catholic.
Me: confused
She is probably the Non-Denominational/Evangelical type Protestant, they’re the ones who usually like to simply be known as “Christian”.
 
Who is one Christian to tell another that they are not a Christian? :hmmm:

Jesus himself said “My sheep respond to my voice, and I know who they are. They follow me…” John 10:14 🙂

Anyone denying someone else’s claim to be a Christian is trying to “play God.” :tsktsk:
 
She is probably the Non-Denominational/Evangelical type Protestant, they’re the ones who usually like to simply be known as “Christian”.
Perhaps one could ask such a person:
“Are you Christian or are you Christian?”
 
You were not being singled out specifically…
I understand what you said and it is much respected,especially about each one learning about the other. However, as I stated,I do not spend countless hours writing bogus material against Protestants and their beliefs and teachings.Likewise, Protestanism does not attract me at all nor do I feel threatened by it. because However, I do respect my Protestant brothers and sisters and wish them well on their spiritual journey.

God Bless you Publisher.
 
I think this is why baptists formulated their whole trail of blood theory… Though there is no historical evidence for it perse, they peiced together a faux history based generally upon some things we know happened to real Christians (persecutions, maryterdom, the existance of certain heretical group) and formulated into something which, on the surface, seems beleivable enough if you are striving to believe evangelical doctrine.
And btw, only a small percentage of Baptists believe in the “trail of blood” theory. There are certain Baptist churches that officially preach that, but it’s a relatively small number. Most Baptist pastors will say it’s bogus.
 
Who is one Christian to tell another that they are not a Christian? :hmmm:

Jesus himself said “My sheep respond to my voice, and I know who they are. They follow me…” John 10:14 🙂

Anyone denying someone else’s claim to be a Christian is trying to “play God.” :tsktsk:
Well said! 👍

When I’m asked about my religion I say “I’m a Christ-follower”. Because it means the same thing as Christian, but doesn’t carry as much baggage and is a better conversation starter.

I’m a non-Catholic Christian, and I think Catholics and Orthodox are just as Christian as I am, not because they go to any particular church, but because they also seek to follow Christ.

I belong to an Assemblies of God church because my particular congregation is the best church in my neighborhood, but I don’t especially identify with the denomination. By doctrine, I’m probably more Anglican than anything else, because of the strong influence of C.S. Lewis and N.T. Wright on my faith.
 
I myself have fallen to this error before in a way - I used to refer to myself as Catholic in comparison to “Christians” in the general sense. Most of my online friends just label themselves Christians so I differentiated myself from them by referring to myself not as Christian but Catholic.😊
 
Isn’t anyone else annoyed by the question “Are you Catholic or Christian?”

I’ve been asked this several times by both Protestants and shockingly Catholics. :eek: It’s been especially annoying when I tell them “Catholic is Christian” and they say “No! Christians sing and have bands and pastors” :doh2:

:dts: Anyone else encountered this problem or was asked this question?
This is common and necessitates time to instruct or argue. I like to instruct.

My usual response to this is as follows:

When someone says they are Christian I usually ask, what type…Huh…you know what brand…brand?
Yeah…To be Monothiestic you are either Jewish, Muslim or Christian…you OK with that?

So if you are Christian then you are either Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant.

Well I am not Protestant, I am just Christian. Let me ask you, do you believe that the Bible is the sole rule of Faith, Yup. Do you believe that salvation is Faith alone, Yup. There is no authority but Scripture, yup and your are saved and declared innocent, acquitted by the rightesousness of Christ, yup…then you are Protestant.

If someone approaches me as just Christian, I like to level the playing field, and get everything right up front.
 
Where I work there is a club for “Bible-based Christians”.

I sent them an email asking what “Bible-based Christian” means, but never got a reply. I guess if you have to ask…
Bible based Christians and “churches” are a artifact of the Reformation. When the Reformers jettisoned the authority appointed by Christ, they were left with only Scripture as an authoritative source for their faith. Rather than receiving the faith through the Apostolic Succession, they turned instead to basing their faith on their understanding of the Holy Scriptures. Since those scriptures are inerrant and inspired, much of the Aposotlic faith has been retained (belief in the Trinity, for example - a word not found in Scripture). The problem lies in Sola Scriptura. The practice of each person interpreting what he reads to his own satisfaction has resulted in literally thousands of ecclesial communities, some diametrically opposed to one another. These communities are “bible based” in that they extract what they believe from the pages of Scripture.
 
Maybe Protestants can ask the same question of some of you? Not that there is any “Protestant bashing” on this board by Catholics…😃

Perhaps instead of “bashing” anyone…we should seek to understand one another.🤷
I do not notice any protestant bashing. Not of the likes that they do to us Catholics. By people like Jack Chick. Or the many anti-catholic websites out there. I ventured into an anti-catholic website by accident the other day that had videos. I got interested in what they had to say. Turnes out I couldn’t even get past the introduction because they played an anti-catholic song that offended me like crazy. With lyrics like “Stop praying to dead saints you don’t even know”. I guess protestants do not believe in life after death. lol.

No, I wouldn’t call it bashing. Just pointing out their hypocrisy and contradictive nature of their beliefs.
 
To anyone who says that Catholics aren’t Christians, perhaps we should consider asking them by what authority they make that claim.

At a young age, my dad (a non-Catholic Christian) told me that “just because you are catholic does not mean you are a Christian.” I answered by saying that if a Catholic follows the teachings of the Church than they are indeed Christian…the conversation ended there.

Some Christians will say that no one is a Christian unless you can say yes with 100% certainty to the question that …If you died tonight, do you know that you would go to heaven?

Others will say you must be “baptised in the spirit and speak in tongues” to be a full Christian.
These questions demand catechesis. I posted my usual dialogue for this. If you then can declare that there are Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant Christians you can then explain how they are different, the history, and in fact I would bet most of these “christians” do not know that they are Protestant.

There is no reason not to teach them so that they can speak intelligently about what they don’t know.
 
This is a question that happens, but does not bother me much. I get more upset when people call me worshiper and tell me the Holy Father is actually the anti-Christ. Or when someone makes one of thous distasteful, corny Catholic jokes about priest and abuses.
I like to answer this with a posit like this. I repeat what they say and then say, you know what I can’t stand is the Catholics that worship Mary…Yeah…you know that practice, called collyridianism is condemned by the Church…the Church does not condone Mary worship…they believe you do and you automatically tell them something they believe that is not true.
 
Interesting questions because I am betwixt and between. I am a Methodist who is entering the Church through RCIA this year and I “feel” Catholic now for what that’s worth but I still call myself Christian. My 18 year old who was raised and still is Methodist asked me what were were now if Dad and I were now going to the Catholic Church- my answer is that we are still Christians- just going to Dad’s church now after 35 years of marriage! Anyway, she is going off to college and like all parents i just want her to maintain her Christian faith no matter what the label at his point so I showed her the ads in the college bulletin for the Methodist and Catholic churches and asked her to please just pick one rather than none. In many ways I feel more Christian than ever- I still study the Bible every day though now base it on the Mass readings and also pray more because I pray as I always did but have added The Rosary. I do pray each day for Christian unity- this world needs all of us sticking together and not tearing each other apart.

Blessings,

Val
 
Bible based Christians and “churches” are a artifact of the Reformation. When the Reformers jettisoned the authority appointed by Christ, they were left with only Scripture as an authoritative source for their faith. Rather than receiving the faith through the Apostolic Succession, they turned instead to basing their faith on their understanding of the Holy Scriptures. Since those scriptures are inerrant and inspired, much of the Aposotlic faith has been retained (belief in the Trinity, for example - a word not found in Scripture). The problem lies in Sola Scriptura. The practice of each person interpreting what he reads to his own satisfaction has resulted in literally thousands of ecclesial communities, some diametrically opposed to one another. These communities are “bible based” in that they extract what they believe from the pages of Scripture.
My brother, I will differ with you. These Bible based Christians are getting their theology not on their own by reading, but through Bible study where the theology is taught. The Geneva Bible had notes to teach Calvinism. The Scofield Bible had notes to teach dispensationalism. The preaching, the music and everything else they do reinforces the theology. They don’t learn this all by reading the bible. I have been to enough Protestant functions to hear a sermon where I hear " and that means your Faith" or “and that means the bible”. Listent to some Protestant chritstian music and you will hear loud and clear the inculcation of faith alone and the bible alone. Watch any Protestant television station and you will get the same. They do not get their beliefs from the Bible alone. When I have in the past occasioned to discuss beliefs with someone wanting me to go to their Protestant Church, I always ask if I can see their statement of Faith. This is what they are learning at their churches.
 
I do not notice any protestant bashing. Not of the likes that they do to us Catholics. By people like Jack Chick. Or the many anti-catholic websites out there. I ventured into an anti-catholic website by accident the other day that had videos. I got interested in what they had to say. Turnes out I couldn’t even get past the introduction because they played an anti-catholic song that offended me like crazy. With lyrics like “Stop praying to dead saints you don’t even know”. I guess protestants do not believe in life after death. lol.

No, I wouldn’t call it bashing. Just pointing out their hypocrisy and contradictive nature of their beliefs.
Amen
 
I understand what you said and it is much respected,especially about each one learning about the other. However, as I stated,I do not spend countless hours writing bogus material against Protestants and their beliefs and teachings.Likewise, Protestanism does not attract me at all nor do I feel threatened by it. because However, I do respect my Protestant brothers and sisters and wish them well on their spiritual journey.

God Bless you Publisher.
Taking their teachings and showing them that this is what you belive is not bogus. If you are telling the truth then you are just showing them what you see. If you are wrong let them correct you. If you are correct then what have you done that is a problem.

There was one Old Covenant, there is One New Covenant, there is One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism and only One Church that can be the Pillar and foundation of the truth. Say it loud and say it proud. Is the truth offensive?
 
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