Catholic or Democratic Socialism?

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Here’s another thought regarding the creation of the United States. The United States concept of the citizenry included the idea of a “classless society” where all men are created equal and with an equal opportunity to better themselves and their condition through their individual hard work.

The ideas of social classes like the “Middle-Class”, “Upper-Class”, and “Lower Class” are actually foreign concepts that were abolished in the founding of the United States by our founders. These terms are only used to divide Americans from each other which is a Marxist ploy to fan the flames of class warfare and class struggle.

I think the biggest problem that Catholics and we here in the United States have is that the truth is not always taught to us. Everyone who teaches something teaches what they want their students to know. They emphasize their personal likes, and de-emphasize what they dislike.

The goal in learning is to seek the truth and not blindly follow.
 
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I read the Gulag Archipelago (on my own) in college. Ever since then, I have been implacably opposed to the Left. It was born in blood in 1789, and it has matured in blood ever since. The Utopian ideal is understandable in humans (we were made for utopia, after all). But because we are a fallen race, it always leads to oppression and death. Be very afraid of anybody who promises utopia on earth.
 
Yes, its like a medication whose side effects are worse than the underlying condition being treated
 
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catholic_knighthood said:
Socialism in general that is being espoused. Should Catholics actually entertain and get behind these ideas?
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From this heresy there arose in the last century a false philosophy–a new right as it is called, and a popular authority, together with an unbridled license which many regard as the only true liberty. Hence we have reached the limit of horrors, to wit, communism, socialism, nihilism, hideous deformities of the civil society of men and almost its ruin. And yet too many attempt to enlarge the scope of these evils, and under the pretext of helping the multitude, already have fanned no small flames of misery. The things we thus mention are neither unknown nor very remote from us.
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Diuturnum #23
Pope Leo XIII
 
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Unless I’m mistaken, there are no advocates of Democratic Socialism, either in the government or running for office who do not endorse unrestricted abortions, including government funding of it.
 
Why not ignore labels (Communist, Socialist, Capitalist, etc.) and just have a look at what the New Testament says?

Love your neighbor as yourself.
Sell all you have and give to the poor.
It’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Etc.

Then ask yourself which party embodies these ideals? It should be easy.
 
Why do Americans only associate Socialists with Communists.
Not a single Socialist party in any developed country is a communist party. Where there might be communists they are in a communist party.

I wish people would be more specific. If you mean communists then say communists but do not assume socialists are communists. They are not and neither are the Democrats in the US.
 
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How about “Thou shall not kill?”
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All sorts of exceptions. If you are referring to abortion, I invite you to quote some passages in the NT that explicitly talk about abortion. It wasn’t a big concern–despite the fact abortions were common.

As for what Jesus thought, when asked what the greatest commandment was, he said it was “love your neighbor as yourself.” So did St. Paul.
 
Nobody in their right mind would think in this day and age that communism is on the way back. It’s on the way out.
How do you come up with the position that socialism (not communism) is incompatible with Catholicism.
 
They are not on the way back. They are there already in case you thought they just became communists!!
 
Please show me this teaching. If it’s a teaching it must be in the CCC.
 
Absolutely nothing to do with communism making a comeback in the world. The two countries you name have long been communist and oppressive. Nothing new there.
 
In short you cannot point me to the Church teaching!

By the way I repeat that socialism is not communism.
 
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Communism will not take over any countries where it currently does not exist. I really don’t know why Americans are so paranoid about this.
 
You are the one who said it is a Church teaching yet you are unable to point me to the teaching. What’s wrong with that picture?
 
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