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What is the official name of the Church, “The Catholic Church” or “The Roman Catholic Church”?
The proper title for the Church in Rome is the Latin Church.
No, Eastern Catholics are not Roman Catholic, and we are uncomfortable with being labeled as such. We do not need to be incorrectly labeled as Roman Catholic in order for our union with the Pope of Rome to be acknowledged.
“Roman Catholic” can apply to both Eastern and Latin Catholic, because it emphasizes unity with the Roman Bishop. I’ve often read Eastern Catholics are sometimes uncomfortable with this, but have no first hand knowledge of that.
Roman Catholic (term)To refer to all 23 autonomous Churches together, official Church documents often use the term “Catholic Church” or, less frequently, the term “Roman Catholic Church”. The usage that makes the term “Roman Catholic” mean members of the Latin Rite or Western Church to the exclusion of those who belong to the Eastern Catholic Churches does not appear in any recent document of the Holy See, and popes have used the term “Roman Catholic Church” on various occasions throughout the 20th century to mean instead the whole Church without exclusion of any part.
The proper title of the Church is just that “The Church.” There is but one true church of God. It needs no catchy name because it is the only church.What is the official name of the Church, “The Catholic Church” or “The Roman Catholic Church”?
The Latin phrase for the term “subsists in” is Subsistit in, a phrase so significant that it has its own article in Wikipedia. Previous Church documents had used the word “is” (est) in place of “subsists in.” Theologians continue to debate the doctrinal significance of this single sentence fragment. Did the Council Fathers mean to teach that the (Roman) Catholic Church was not the ONLY “Catholic Church?”This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him…
Certainly the Church already refers to herself as Roman Catholic. Particularly Roman Rite organizations proudly use the term. Do me a favor. Think of any random diocese or parish. Go to their website, or pick up a copy of their bulletin, and read the title. I guarantee that if you try just a few, you will find the very common formula St. Jimbob’s Roman Catholic Parish, or The Roman Catholic Diocese of Somewhere, USA. This is very standard usage.If so, then the (Roman) Catholic Church must someday accept some more-specific name (such as “Roman Catholic”). But that day has not (yet) come. In the language of this day, the (Roman) Catholic Church calls Herself the “Catholic Church,” and other Churches who have valid claim to the term “catholic” typically refer to themselves as “Orthodox.” Only protestants commonly use the term “Roman Catholic.”
I understand that it can cause umcomfort, as I already pointed out. Unfortunately it doesn’t change one of the formal meanings of “Roman Catholic”. I personally avoid the term whenever possible, but can’t deny its actual meaning.No, Eastern Catholics are not Roman Catholic, and we are uncomfortable with being labeled as such. We do not need to be incorrectly labeled as Roman Catholic in order for our union with the Pope of Rome to be acknowledged.
You keep saying that if you’d like, but I’m not a Roman Catholic, and neither are members of any of the 22 sui iuris Eastern Catholic Churches in communion with the Bishop of Rome. We are Ruthenian Catholics, Ukrainian Catholics, Melkite Catholics, Coptic Catholics, Chaldean Catholics, Maronite Catholics, etc. Our liturgical traditions are not those of the Church of Rome, and our bishops are not members of the hierarchy of the Church of Rome. Furthermore, to insist on calling us Roman Catholics implies that the norm or standard for what is and is not Catholic is that which is Roman, and that simply is not the case. Please, let’s stay away from the mentality that Eastern Catholics are “Roman Catholics of the Byzantine Rite”, or “Roman Catholics of the Maronite Rite”, and so on. Such a mentality is best left in the past, because it has been so harmful to Eastern Catholics.I understand that it can cause umcomfort, as I already pointed out. Unfortunately it doesn’t change one of the formal meanings of “Roman Catholic”. I personally avoid the term whenever possible, but can’t deny its actual meaning.
Just personally, I say "The Catholic Church, (meant to include all my Eastern Rite brothers and sisters), and then I go on to describe myself, personally, as being of the Latin Rite. I don’t think I even refer to Rome. “Roman” Catholic seems exclusive. But others are correct here. The term Roman Catholic is ubiquitous, and has come into common parlance to mean the Catholic Church, Latin Rite. We should refer to our whole Church body in our title. East and West, unless just describing our own personal rite within the Church. That title then, should be the Catholic Church, yes?I also think that it is worth just noting that someone could say they attend Catholic Church, but it could be an Eastern Rite Church (i.e. Byzantine). The Roman Catholic Church (Latin Rite) is the largest and generally what people mean as a default when they say Catholic Church.