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ciero
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Is that what it takes to be Orthodox? To be in communion with Moscow or Constantinople?
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Nine_Two
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No, to be Orthodox one must be in Communion with all 15 (or 14, depending on how you count) Autocephalus Churches. That includes Moscow and Constantinople, however the issue of how to define who is Orthodox was discussed and Moscow refused to allow it to be defined in any official way as one who is in communion with the Bishops of any particular Church. Ultimately their argument was convincing enough that all agreed with them.Is that what it takes to be Orthodox? To be in communion with Moscow or Constantinople?
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ciero
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Imagine that!! Defining Orthodox as being Orthodox and not who your in communion with!! What a novel idea!
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Nine_Two
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It does require being in communion with the rest of the Orthodox Church, it simply isn’t defined by communion with one specific Church. Communion with non-Orthodox would stop one from being Orthodox.Imagine that!! Defining Orthodox as being Orthodox and not who your in communion with!! What a novel idea!
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ciero
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I’ve never heard an Orthodox define what it means to be Orthodox as to who you are in communion with, sounds like a Western way of seeing things. Most Orthodox I’ve encountered would say that being Orthodox is having the true faith or right belief or right worship.
In your way of seeing it, if Constantinople and Moscow are not in communion with each other (as has happened regarding Estonia) then neither is Orthodox.
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Ferde_Rombola
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No. I don’t think saying there is evidence on the record contradicting what someone says is posturing and strutting. I think it’s a simple statement.
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Catherine_Grant
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This is the only public warning I will give reminding all to read and abide by the particular rules of the Eastern Catholicism forum which can be found here: Important Forum Information
This thread has degenerated into a tit-for-tat of which church is holier and which has a bigger, badder skeleton in its closet with numerous uncharitable remarks and violations of forum rules coming from all sides.
The proposed new thread in which a discussion and debate of actual facts is one which I encourage to take place in a new thread. I will monitor the forum strictly for the foreseeable future so that charity can return to the discussion of this topic.
May God Bless You Abundantly,
Catherine Grant
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