"Catholic-Orthodox talks on papacy" document from catholic culture; its implications?

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Peter_J said:
Yes, but Catholics say things will be different this time.
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As noted above, there has been over 30 years of continuing dialogue. Significant statements were made jointly following several of these sessions, where agreement has been reached on fundamental issues. The role of the Papacy is now on the agenda. General agreement has been reached at the last major session on the historical analysis of the Papacy. Now the hard part - how might the Papacy best serve a reunified Church?
 
The Pope will have to give up his power over the whole Church. His power will be no more or no less then that of the heads of the Russian Orthodox Church or Greek Orthodox. His power would be limited to his area.

It would be this way or the highway. Thats the way it would be; it up to you if you wish to do so. We are waiting for your answer??? The only answer on your part is YES there is no other answer.
 
Frank_J said:
The Pope will have to give up his power over the whole Church. His power will be no more or no less then that of the heads of the Russian Orthodox Church or Greek Orthodox. His power would be limited to his area.

It would be this way or the highway. Thats the way it would be; it up to you if you wish to do so. We are waiting for your answer??? The only answer on your part is YES there is no other answer.
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:rolleyes: sheesh
 
Frank_J said:
The Pope will have to give up his power over the whole Church. His power will be no more or no less then that of the heads of the Russian Orthodox Church or Greek Orthodox. His power would be limited to his area.
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And, conversely, if the Patriarch of Moscow wanted to become Roman Catholic, he would have to accept Roman Catholic teaching including the role of the Pope. But I don’t see any reason to think that the Pope is going to become Orthodox or that the MP is going to become RC, except in some naive fantasy.
 
Frank_J said:
The Pope will have to give up his power over the whole Church. His power will be no more or no less then that of the heads of the Russian Orthodox Church or Greek Orthodox. His power would be limited to his area.

It would be this way or the highway. Thats the way it would be; it up to you if you wish to do so. We are waiting for your answer??? The only answer on your part is YES there is no other answer.
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The Pope does not have power over the whole Church - that is for Christ alone. Rather, the Pope has been entrusted with responsibility for the unity of the Church, the preaching and spread of the Gospel, and the defense and teaching of the True Faith.

Your proposal suggests an act of submission, and it would seem that we all should agree that the only One to whom we should all submit is Christ.

However, in the interest of open-minded dialogue, may we ask how would one describe and define the “area” to which Pontifical power would be limited?
 
The pope of rome title would change to Patriarch of Rome this has a good ring to it would you agree??? It is much better…
 
ByzCathCantor said:
Rather, the Pope has been entrusted with responsibility for the unity of the Church, the preaching and spread of the Gospel, and the defense and teaching of the True Faith.
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The list you just gave doesn’t seem to mention Universal Ordinary Jurisdiction.
 
That is easy Patriarch of Rome not pope that will limit. He is one among many.
 
I don’t agree; Patriarch of Rome is much better not latin church. Who knows it could maybe 50 years. The Patriarch of Rome would stay in Italy that would be under his control not in other counties.
 
Frank_J said:
That is easy Patriarch of Rome not pope that will limit. He is one among many.
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:confused: meaning?

Perhaps another point of view …

If the Patriarch of Moscow is the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, is his jurisdiction limited to Russia?
 
For you to have the Patriarch of Rome have any place out side of rome you could RCCOR could be what you would call you Church in the United States
 
Frank_J said:
I don’t agree; Patriarch of Rome is much better not latin church. Who knows it could maybe 50 years. The Patriarch of Rome would stay in Italy that would be under his control not in other counties.
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So by logical extension you would also agree that the Patriarch of Moscow should “stay in” Russia?
 
Roman Catholic Outside of Rome

As your Church gets small and small here America as in Italy. Look at Italy per-say Muslim are growing faster then the RC population, that means in future Italy will be come a Muslim country within my life time. Plus that tells us that the Vatican will become a mosque. Remember time march on…
 
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