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Randy_Carson
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Gee, I’m not sure that anyone has been making the exact argument you’re suggesting. Has anything from Bonocore’s timeline or the subsequent rabbit trails we’ve been down specifically argued that the Papacy exists primarily to ensure that we “keep the Faith”. Your existence doesn’t threaten my appreciation for or understanding of the natural development of the papacy in the least.We are a competing historical narrative. That is what it boils down to. Our very existence debunks the idea that a strong centralized figure is necessary to keep the Faith. This strikes at the theology of the Papacy, which is the very heart of Latin Ecclesiology and practice. Our existence is an assault on that authority, even though it is implicit. Our faithfulness (or as some Latins have insinuated, our sinful Pride) to the Faith that we have received is what is at issue here.
No doubt. If you put it in those terms, then yes, I would seek to dismantle your arguments with the same vigor I would seek to disprove any other non-Catholic group. You’re no different.No doubt the possibility of conversion of lurkers in these discussions to Orthodoxy is on the mind of many Latins here (and perhaps the moderators) which is why our Position must be debunked at all costs…or disipated in a hand waving “We all believe the same thing anyway.”
I think it was Father John who said that our differences should be discussed openly and honestly…I agree. This being a Latin forum, I can understand the hostility. The ignorance about Orthodoxy should be countered, and the ignorance about the Latin Church should be as well.
The narrative that we are disunified, ethnic cranks who irrationally dislike anything Latin is wrong. Most of us want to disabuse people of those misconceptions, which is why many Orthodox participate on forums such as this.
Unfortunately, the anti-Latin sentiment is not a myth. There is another thread where this is being discussed and personal experiences are being shared. To be fair, there may be parts of the country or world where the reverse is also true, but down South where I have lived all my life in several different states, there is no anti-Orthodox prejudice because no one thinks of the Orthodox at all. I’m not trying to be rude…there just aren’t enough of you here for anyone to even notice. Introducing yourself at a party as an Orthodox would be met with the same silence that might be received if you mentioned that you are Libertarian - probably more.However, the above mentioned narrative is very useful in Latin Apologetics and Polemics, which is why that canard is always drug out in every discussion like this. The apologetics materials of this very website even have a whiff of that narrative, which is also unfortunate.
I have enjoyed our discussion, and I truly appreciate the effort you have made to teach me more about the Eastern Church. Thanks!I hope that everyone has gotten something positive out of these dialogues, despite the vitriol that can be displayed at times.