Catholic Polygamy

[RebeccaJ]

Sorry I said I was leaving but I do have to respond to this. Why would you presume that I do not care whether or not you believe in Christ?

I said more than that in one sentence. You have taken what you want to respond to out of context. I would appreciate it very much if you didn’t do that with my words.

And it does not matter to me that you can not believe I received an answer to my questions about God, Jesus Christ or what I believe to be his kingdom here on earth. May I ask how you know that what you believe is more correct than what I believe?

Whether or not I believe you isn’t the point. The point is, what you believe is contrary what Jesus taught about Himself.

 

[RebeccaJ]

This is your realible source? You can read that it was rumored, whispered? This is not evidence at all. This is the wagging tongues of people. And Oliver Cowderys statement was not in reference to the so called relationship with Fanny. See you are taking statements from people who would love nothing more than to destroy my faith. Lucky for me I do not rely on them for my faith. I rely on Christ. I do not rely on Joseph Smith for my faith. I rely on Christ. Now I would love some dialog with you without all the accusations. If you have some sincere questions, I would love to answer them.

It is all sourced from LDS sources, LDS historians, familysearch.org. Ignoring facts because they don’t agree with what you want to believe, doesn’t make them less factual.

 

[BListon]

Just blame Bush

Work’s every time!
Or you could take the Mel Gibson approach and blame the Jews

 

[Fatboys]

I said more than that in one sentence. You have taken what you want to respond to out of context. I would appreciate it very much if you didn’t do that with my words.

Whether or not I believe you isn’t the point. The point is, what you believe is contrary what Jesus taught about Himself.

Look I am one guy. All of you have been pouncing on me. Again years ago I may of wanted to answer each and everyone of you, but I don’t want to waste my time. I can see that you have already read and made your minds up. I was not trying to convert you but correct some misconceptions. There are many many ex members of the Catholic church which have joined the LDS church. They were not happy with their church. Those who leave the LDS church are not happy with it. I do not have a problem with it. What I will do is look at my research and give you some references you ask for. But the attitudes here are really not great.

 

[RebeccaJ]

Look I am one guy. All of you have been pouncing on me. Again years ago I may of wanted to answer each and everyone of you, but I don’t want to waste my time. I can see that you have already read and made your minds up. I was not trying to convert you but correct some misconceptions. There are many many ex members of the Catholic church which have joined the LDS church. They were not happy with their church. Those who leave the LDS church are not happy with it. I do not have a problem with it. What I will do is look at my research and give you some references you ask for. But the attitudes here are really not great.

I think you raise a valid concern, that is, I think LDS who come here feel like there is a dog-pile on the Mormon. I don’t think that is our intent, just, there are lot of people who read and participate at CAF. You can do as you like of course, I would just recommend sticking to the subject of the thread as we tend to wander all over the place. New threads can be started for other topics, which, you don’t have to participate in if you don’t want to.

I’d rather that you feel welcome here than not. So just relax, no one here is out to get you. You also need to realize that Mormonism has a foundation of the Catholic Church failing. Without this belief, you don’t have Mormonism. Period. That claim isn’t going to fly with a group of Catholics, so there isn’t any reason to lie to you, and say, you’ve got an easy job with this group. Because you don’t.

 

[Porknpie]

I think you raise a valid concern, that is, I think LDS who come here feel like there is a dog-pile on the Mormon. I don’t think that is our intent, just, there are lot of people who read and participate at CAF. You can do as you like of course, I would just recommend sticking to the subject of the thread as we tend to wander all over the place. New threads can be started for other topics, which, you don’t have to participate in if you don’t want to.

I’d rather that you feel welcome here than not. So just relax, no one here is out to get you. You also need to realize that Mormonism has a foundation of the Catholic Church failing. Without this belief, you don’t have Mormonism. Period. That claim isn’t going to fly with a group of Catholics, so there isn’t any reason to lie to you, and say, you’ve got an easy job with this group. Because you don’t.

I would add that we should follow in Christ’s words, Colossians 3

15 And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom

 

[RebeccaJ]

I would add that we should follow in Christ’s words, Colossians 3

15 And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body. And be thankful. 16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom

Yes.

 

[KathleenGee]

Amen, Sister!!!

Mormonism construct is basically anti-Catholic and is full of undocumented claims about its own belief systems.

However I do like the Mormon people very much. And we know likewise there are many Mormons leaving their religion for Catholicism.

 

[BListon]

Amen, Sister!!!

Mormonism construct is basically anti-Catholic and is full of undocumented claims about its own belief systems.

However I do like the Mormon people very much. And we know likewise there are many Mormons leaving their religion for Catholicism.

I have to disagree with you on that. I know from personal experience that Mormons are not “anti Catholic”. I have noticed many similarities in doctrine between our Church and theirs, i.e. “Purgatory” vs “Spirit Prison”, “Theosis” vs “Exaltation” etc. My aunt Jean (who is Mormon) even said either the Catholic Church or the Mormon Church is the true Church. Apparently she must think it’s the Mormon Church because she’s still Mormon.

 

[Stephen168]

You also need to realize that Mormonism has a foundation of the Catholic Church failing. Without this belief, you don’t have Mormonism. Period.
KathleenGee;9931111:

Amen, Sister!!!

Mormonism construct is basically anti-Catholic and is full of undocumented claims about its own belief systems.

I know from personal experience that Mormons are not “anti Catholic”.

There is a difference between Mormonism and any individual Mormon. My personal experience is the same as yours, but the latter day saint movement is based on 19th century american anti-Catholicism which can still be seen by some Mormon posters on this forum.

 

[Ion]

From wikipedia:
“Israel, in accordance with Western ethics, has made polygamy illegal.[72][73] Provisions were instituted to allow for existing polygamous families immigrating from countries where the practice was legal. Furthermore, former chief rabbi Ovadia Yosef[74] has come out in favor of legalizing polygamy and the practice of pilegesh (concubine) by the Israeli government.”

Then women rights activists will ask for men-concubines be legal…O lala

 

[SteveVH]

I have to disagree with you on that. I know from personal experience that Mormons are not “anti Catholic”. I have noticed many similarities in doctrine between our Church and theirs, i.e. “Purgatory” vs “Spirit Prison”, “Theosis” vs “Exaltation” etc. My aunt Jean (who is Mormon) even said either the Catholic Church or the Mormon Church is the true Church. Apparently she must think it’s the Mormon Church because she’s still Mormon.

Not to get into an entirely different topic, but one cannot view “Theosis” and “Exaltation” as being similar. They are actually quite at odds with each other. Also, I don’t think the Catholic view of “purgatory” and the Mormon view of “spirit prison” line up very well either, other than to admit that there is another place then heaven or hell.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Apparently not. Because if CMatt was nominally Catholic, a dissenting Catholic, or even a non practicing Catholic, you would think on a forum called “Catholic Answers” that those words would appear in his religion profile. But as you can see they do not.

Well, you have told us often over the last 12 months, minimum, that you are “considering” leaving the faith of your early childhood, which is indeed Catholicism. At other times you imply that you have “left” it, which, as all of us Catholics know, is problematic, given the indelible mark of Baptism (another fact which you keep reminding us of).

Some CAF users are actually Catholic (both by birth and by weekly Mass attendance) but choose not to state so on their profile. For some of them, I suspect the reason they so choose is that they can then proclaim dissent with impunity. (I haven’t happened to see any orthodox Catholics hiding their Catholic identity from their profile, although I am open to being specifically challenged on that, with particulars.)

All kinds of games and manipulations can be played, and are played.

Other users have been forbidden from using the term Catholic in their profile.

Still others practice an even more insidious deceit: they are not Catholic at all, nor have ever been, and in some cases are clearly atheists with a poitical agenda to infiltrate the forum – propagandizing both confident Catholics and weak or ambivalent Catholics. Their own profile proclaims “Catholic,” however incredibly and mockingly.

So actually NOTHING can be assumed to be “thought” about someone posting on the Non-Catholic Religions subforum. Mr. Holford here is decidedly a practicing Catholic, as am I, and we have both contributed to this subforum.

 

[BobCatholic]

What connection has the HHS to do with polygamy?

And what would that mean to contemporary Mormons since polygamy was renounced about a century ago? Is the Mormon church planning to bring back polygamy?

Thanks to “gay marriage” the polygamists/polyandrists are waiting their turn in line to stand up.

 

[CMatt25]

Well, you have told us often over the last 12 months, minimum, that you are “considering” leaving the faith of your early childhood, which is indeed Catholicism. At other times you imply that you have “left” it, which, as all of us Catholics know, is problematic, given the indelible mark of Baptism (another fact which you keep reminding us of).

Some CAF users are actually Catholic (both by birth and by weekly Mass attendance) but choose not to state so on their profile. For some of them, I suspect the reason they so choose is that they can then proclaim dissent with impunity. (I haven’t happened to see any orthodox Catholics hiding their Catholic identity from their profile, although I am open to being specifically challenged on that, with particulars.)

All kinds of games and manipulations can be played, and are played.

Other users have been forbidden from using the term Catholic in their profile.

Still others practice an even more insidious deceit: they are not Catholic at all, nor have ever been, and in some cases are clearly atheists with a poitical agenda to infiltrate the forum – propagandizing both confident Catholics and weak or ambivalent Catholics. Their own profile proclaims “Catholic,” however incredibly and mockingly.

So actually NOTHING can be assumed to be “thought” about someone posting on the Non-Catholic Religions subforum. Mr. Holford here is decidedly a practicing Catholic, as am I, and we have both contributed to this subforum.

I can only assume you didn’t read post 144.

 

[Elizabeth502]

I can only assume you didn’t read post 144.

You assume incorrectly.

Further, my post discusses the very many games played on CAF with regard to personal identifiers. Since I assume that you are not multiple personalities, you have no need to restrict my post to you yourself.

Finally, it has nothing to do with private messages and everything to do with the public games people play.

 

[CMatt25]

You assume incorrectly.

Further, my post discusses the very many games played on CAF with regard to personal identifiers. Since I assume that you are not multiple personalities, you have no need to restrict my post to you yourself.

Finally, it has nothing to do with private messages and everything to do with the public games people play.

Uh huh then in that case you had no need to quote my post in which I responded to (name removed by moderator). If you have a desire to discuss the very many games of multiple personalities, I would suggest you begin a thread on it. Now I would suggest you allow the thread to continue on the topic of Catholic Polygamy.

 

[SteveVH]

Now I would suggest you allow the thread to continue on the topic of Catholic Polygamy.

Sorry, this just struck me as funny. The “topic of Catholic polygamy”. How do we discuss something that doesn’t exist and has never existed? We might as well discuss Catholic goat worship.

 

[twopekinguys]

Anybody happen to notice the OP hasn’t been back in quite a while?

 

[twopekinguys]

Look I am one guy. All of you have been pouncing on me. Again years ago I may of wanted to answer each and everyone of you, but I don’t want to waste my time. I can see that you have already read and made your minds up. I was not trying to convert you but correct some misconceptions. There are many many ex members of the Catholic church which have joined the LDS church. They were not happy with their church. Those who leave the LDS church are not happy with it. I do not have a problem with it. What I will do is look at my research and give you some references you ask for. But the attitudes here are really not great.

Come on back Fatboys!!! We know you’ve been online since this post.

We are still waiting for your references/sources for your earlier claims.