Catholic Position Extreme Case of Abortion

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You state that the mother should choose to die. But what if the unborn baby is very ill and will also die? And what if the mother has other children, has no husband due to death, divorce, etc. and must care for her other children? Should she still choose to die and abandon her family?
 
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I knew a fellow classmate in college who was pregnant with her first baby. Was very happy with her husband. Till she went missing from class mid-semester. Her husband stopped by and told us what happened maybe two weeks later. She’d developed an acute case of HELLP (I think that is the correct term) syndrome and she was dying. Her organs were shutting down so they had to “end” the pregnancy to save her life.

Now I don’t know how they did so, it would’ve been indelicate in the extreme to ask. All I know is that poor girl was very shaken up and of course sad when she bravely came back to class maybe a month after she’d gotten sick. I do know she was pretty early on, maybe 17 or 18 weeks? It’s been a while but I do remember her saying they were devastated because it was well before viability.

I’m not a Catholic as most know and I’m atheist. But if any law dictated that that girl should have had no legal medical recourse, based upon Catholic church law and morals, I find that as repugnant as any theocratic imposition. I’m very glad she made it out alive.
 
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The case at St Joseph’s Hospital in Arizona was one, back in 2010.

Sister Margaret McBride who was the ethics advisor at St Joseph’s hospital and the doctors who performed the abortion to save the mother’s life, were excommunicated latae sententiae according to Bishop Thomas Olmsted.

The mother of five entered the hospital in an emergency situation where she had a therapeutic abortion to save her life. She was 11 weeks pregnant.

According to the doctors, the mother would have died along with the fetus had they let the pregnancy go on.

It was very controversial and it was debated between canon lawyers and theologians in the Church for weeks after.

Anyway, you can read about the case here;

The Excommunication of Margaret McBride (2009–2010) | The Embryo Project Encyclopedia.
 
The exception for aborting sick babies had made us all so callous. Sick people still have a valuable life.
 
The exceptions for rape and incest have likewise made us callous: why murder an innocent because of her father’s crime? Furthermore, if incest was not rape (it happens), then why is there an exception built in for it? To prevent deformity? These are really nonsensical exceptions, when you sit down and consider the results.
 
Suppose the baby is not just sick but dying. Should the mother die as well even if she has other children to care for?
 
I’m so sorry. The treatment for Hellp is bed rest, transfusion, meds with modern medicine.

www.stanfordchildrens.org

HELLP Syndrome

HELLP syndrome is a rare but life-threatening condition in pregnancy. It causes red cells in the blood to break down. It also causes problems with the liver, bleeding, and blood pressure. It is often linked with preeclampsia and eclampsia. It often develops before delivery. But it may also occur...
www.stanfordchildrens.org www.stanfordchildrens.org
 
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A woman carrying her rapist’s baby to term is, I would suppose, doubly traumatic. I think it callous to impose upon her to do so.
 
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A woman carrying her rapist’s baby to term is, I would suppose, doubly traumatic. I think it callous to impose upon her to do so.
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You know what I think is traumatic? When an abortionist murders an innocent baby, that’s traumatic.
 
In her case, she had an acute situation. Her liver and organs were shutting down, she was having seizures her husband said, and they rushed her in. He said she almost died even after the pregnancy was ended. I understand she had kidney damage as well.

ETA: Your post got me curious. According to other sources it seems like bed rest is not an option when you’re to the point of seizures or liver failure as she was.
 
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So you would not give a woman who was raped any choice in the matter? You would require that she carry her rapist’s baby to term?
 
The medical professionals have two patients, they give both the standard of care. Killing one innocent person to save another is brutality.
 
The unborn child is not yet a child. It is not yet a fetus. The woman is a person, possibly with other children to care for, possibly without a husband. I do not see the equivalence.
 
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The unborn child is not yet a child. It is not yet a fetus. The woman is a person, possibly with other children to care for, possibly without a husband. I do not see the equivalence.
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That sounds like a personal problem to me, so to speak.
 
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Women who have been raped ought be given the very best care and support, mentally, physically, spiritually, materially, legally.

The second trauma of abortion does not support her.
 
Actually human beings develop through stages of blastocyst, embryo, fetus, neonate, infant, child, adolescent, adult. P
 
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