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Again, we do not know this. If he was introducing Gregorian chant, that might be true. If he went to chant exclusively, it might not be true.
I suppose you may be right. I mean, if he was saying they couldn’t use polyphony, which is explicitly mentioned in Sacrosanctum concilium, that wouldn’t be a good thing.

But Gregorian chant is still supposed to have “pride of place” if you want to be in accordance with the spirit of Vatican II.
 
I’m well aware of Pope Francis’ comments here. Author and editor of the Catholic World report, Carl E. Olson had the following to say in an essay regarding the same selection:

I noticed that in the America Magazine story, Fr. Frederico Lombardi reported this exchange:

This fits in with what Cardinal Sarah said at his address earlier this year for the 10th anniversary of SP:

I think what we see here is merely a matter of semantics. Fr. Lombardi made clear that the Pope does not want the term “reform of the reform” used. Cardinal Sarah agreed, and we can see that he was on board with what the Pope said, because he began referring to the “reform of the reform” as “the mutual enrichment of the rites”. That term is not as charged as the other, but it’s the same thing. It’s the same liturgical movement that Cardinal Sarah talked about in both of the addresses I previously posted. But Pope Francis would rather the Cardinal go about describing it in different terms.

So yes, I do believe Pope Francis is on board with “the mutual enrichment of the rites”, as evidenced by Cardinal Sarah’s own testimony, but the Pope would rather not call it the “reform of the reform”.

I would love to see an actual translation of that book by Fr. Spadaro though, but I haven’t seen one anywhere. Hopefully in due time so we can understand more about what exactly Pope Francis said in context.
Never the less, the article from NCReporter was not the only time I’ve heard of young priests coming out of seminaries who are being described as rigid. And it worries me to think that the Church is producing priests in the US who are reminiscent of pre Vatican ll ways of thinking of which I have been told is the same as the priests who are coming out of seminaries today - condemning, holier than thou, rigid, etc…

My parents, and many other people, all but left the Church because of the way they were treated by priests and nuns pre Vatican ll, and only came back as a result of the reforms and things like the fruition of movements like Cursillo, Charismatic Movement, Neo-Catechumenate, Opus Dei, Christ Renews His Parish, etc. I would hate to see a return to pre Vatican ll days. Liturgical “enrichment” aside, it’s the attitude of the priests that counts, not the practices of the liturgy. St Paul said that if you don’t have love you don’t have anything.

My parish has undergone a recent renovation and some things were changed. The “resurrected” Jesus was replaced with the “crucified” Jesus, the Tabernacle was brought out of the chapel and put behind the alter, Communion-plates were brought back when possible, the Our Father is said in Latin at school Mass, Latin Mass was offered recently - we didn’t go. I have no problem with these “enrichments”, but our pastor is very well liked, has lots of love for people - doesn’t mind the dirty work, and has been there for several years. I hope you can see where I am coming from and where I am going with all this.

Gregorian chant would be a bridge to far IMO.
 
These claims cited by the Church Militant are unbelievable. Five women coerced 140 people out of a parish of 250 families to sign a petition…I supposed to believe that?
Believe it. Western North Carolina is a different sort of territory. I’ll bet that these 5 (maybe less, maybe more) women are retired and moved to NC from other parts of the country. I have family in the same area and have met up with several women of similar stripe. They are all retired and moved to the mountains from other areas. They are the ‘community organizer’ types.

I do know that 3 woman at my parish made life very hard on my new pastor. He was younger and was ‘in charge’. They knew him as an associate pastor from another parish and thought they would be able to get him to ‘go along’ with their prior program. That was not to be. The “Three” attempted to split the parish. Well, two of the women were laid off due to budget issues (Bookkeeper & Liturgical Coordinator) and the third resigned due to ‘hostile working environment’ after the other two were laid off. The 3 thought they were going to get a bunch of people to leave with them - - only 7 people left. Not families - people.
 
Never the less, the article from NCReporter was not the only time I’ve heard of young priests coming out of seminaries who are being described as rigid. And it worries me to think that the Church is producing priests in the US who are reminiscent of pre Vatican ll ways of thinking of which I have been told is the same as the priests who are coming out of seminaries today - condemning, holier than thou, rigid, etc…
Just to be clear, an enthusiasm for more traditional celebrations is not in itself rigidity, I hope. And rigidity can occur on both sides, say… laity who rebel against their pastor because they don’t like his preferences for the liturgy. If this story was reversed, and say, a very liberal (liturgically) pastor came into a very conservative and traditional parish, and the traditional lay people rebelled against the liberal pastor and his (still orthodox) changes, would you still be calling the pastor the rigid one?

He may have been rigid in this case. I don’t know. The laity may also have been rigid in not accepting other valid (and consistent with V-II) ways of celebrating mass and submitting to their pastor’s valid authority in this area.
 
Just to be clear, an enthusiasm for more traditional celebrations is not in itself rigidity, I hope. And rigidity can occur on both sides, say… laity who rebel against their pastor because they don’t like his preferences for the liturgy. If this story was reversed, and say, a very liberal (liturgically) pastor came into a very conservative and traditional parish, and the traditional lay people rebelled against the liberal pastor and his (still orthodox) changes, would you still be calling the pastor the rigid one?

He may have been rigid in this case. I don’t know. The laity may also have been rigid in not accepting other valid (and consistent with V-II) ways of celebrating mass and submitting to their pastor’s valid authority in this area.
No, I agree, enthusiasm for a certain liturgical practice does not equal rigid. But it’s enthusiasm, and enthusiasm has a way of wearing off. Dig, dig, the pope said. What’s really going on there.

Churchs’ litergies are different all over the world. Pastors from India come to the US and have to adjust to the US - the US parish that they are assigned to does not get reformed into a parish from Mumbai. There are differences between US parishes too.

Why did the bishop assign this priest to that parish. 🤷 Were his choices limited. Anyway, Fr. Reihl apparently upset the apple cart pretty good. That, to me, indicates rigidity, or a lack of pastoral care for the members of *that *parish which he was assigned to. Maybe I’m wrong, but I just can’t believe that a small mountain parish would become an apostate parish overnight headed by a small group of women.
 
My parish has undergone a recent renovation and some things were changed. The “resurrected” Jesus was replaced with the “crucified” Jesus, the Tabernacle was brought out of the chapel and put behind the alter, Communion-plates were brought back when possible, the Our Father is said in Latin at school Mass, Latin Mass was offered recently - we didn’t go. I have no problem with these “enrichments”, but our pastor is very well liked, has lots of love for people - doesn’t mind the dirty work, and has been there for several years. I hope you can see where I am coming from and where I am going with all this.
That’s really great! I can only wish that some of these things were taking place in my parish. I do see where you’re coming from, and I don’t think you’re intolerant like the parishoners who left this parish, or like those at NCRepoter. I was just disappointed you quoted from that website so approvingly. But notice what you said about your pastor that amde these changes: he’s well liked and loves his people. Couldn’t the same be said for Fr. Reihl, but there were some people who were much, much more intolerant than you or your family? It looks like Fr. Reihl was doing “the dirty work” too, with adding Eucharistic Adoration, more confession times, bringing in speakers and conducting parish missions, and putting on Marian processions.
…the article from NCReporter was not the only time I’ve heard of young priests coming out of seminaries who are being described as rigid. And it worries me to think that the Church is producing priests in the US who are reminiscent of pre Vatican ll ways of thinking of which I have been told is the same as the priests who are coming out of seminaries today - condemning, holier than thou, rigid, etc…
My parents, and many other people, all but left the Church because of the way they were treated by priests and nuns pre Vatican ll, and only came back as a result of the reforms and things like the fruition of movements like Cursillo, Charismatic Movement, Neo-Catechumenate, Opus Dei, Christ Renews His Parish, etc. I would hate to see a return to pre Vatican ll days. Liturgical “enrichment” aside, it’s the attitude of the priests that counts, not the practices of the liturgy.
Some priests might coming out of seminary now may indeed be considered to be rigid, in the bad sense of the word, but I think you’re painting with a pretty broad brush, and I really do think that’s a bit unfair to do so. Keep in mind, the Church is not divided into “time before Vatican II” and “time after Vatican II”. It’s the same Church, and I think by making the distinctions you did you make it seem that these are two different Churches that are not similar to each other.

Your comment is essentially saying that the “pre-Vatican II ways of thinking” is synonymous with an attitude that is “condemning, holier than thou, rigid, etc…” Again, I find that charge to be unfair. Your own pastor has brought back the EF, which is certainly a pre-V2 way of thinking. Yet he doesn’t appear to be condemning. Not to mention, virtually every saint that has thus far been canonized in the Latin Rite, especially in the last 1,000 or so years, achieved their sanctity through pre-V2 ways of thinking. The EF, Gregorian chant, ad orientem worship and elaborate vestments were all saints like John Bosco, Francis de Sales, Robert Bellarmine, John Vianney, Pope Pius X, Ignatius of Loyola and many many others ever knew! Even modern saints like St. John Paul and St. Padre Pio had their formative years in the pre-V2 ways of thinking with the EF and Gregorian chant.

So it does not worry me that young priests are coming out of seminary who are “reminicsent of pre-Vatican II ways of thinking”. I thank God that they are! These men, like your pastor, are trying to revive our Latin traditions that have been forgotten. They are heeding the words that St. John Paul gave to my Ukrainian Catholic cousin, encouraging him to rid his Church of Latinizations: “Keep your traditions!” On our side, the Latin Rite side, we have to rid ourselves of modernizations that have led to the ““hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture”” we have seen in many US parishes in the last 50 years. Unfortunately, some of those priests will have a bad attitude (I honestly don’t think Fr. Reihl is one of those with said bad attitude); but that’s always been the case, hasn’t it? There are good priests and bad priests. I think Opus Dei and the like are great. Thank God your family found their way through these apostolates! I’m sorry you and your family experienced priests that were condemning in a bad way. But could it perhaps be that your experience isn’t indicative of most priests? That you were simply unlucky?

For instance, I know I’ve been very lucky to have sound, and orthodox priests every step of my life. After hearing many horror stories from other Catholics around the country, I realize how lucky I’ve been to have never suffered any of the problems you or others speak of. But my experience isn’t indicative of the whole. i don’t think yours is either. it’s all anecdotal of course, but I think the real experience lies somewhere in the middle of our two experiences. Like you said, “it’s the attitude of the priests that counts, not the practices of the liturgy.” I agree, to an extent, so let’s not label all those who have “pre-Vatican II ways of thinking” as being “condemning, holier than thou, and rigid.”
Gregorian chant would be a bridge to far IMO.
I’m curious… in your opinion, why is this the deal breaker? You were fine with patens and the Our Father chanted in Latin. Are you opposed to any Gregorian chant in the Mass, half the Mass being in Gregorian Chant, or the entire Mass?
 
If this story was reversed, and say, a very liberal (liturgically) pastor came into a very conservative and traditional parish, and the traditional lay people rebelled against the liberal pastor and his (still orthodox) changes, would you still be calling the pastor the rigid one?
I guess it depends on the pastors attitude. Rigid is rigid. But that hasn’t been the connotation of the word when used in a liturgical context. I think the pastor has to be willing to serve his parish, not be a liturgical elitist - no matter conservative or liberal.

The people from the parish in NC said the pastor was not willing to listen to them among other things. It seems like they got a restorationist pastor with a rigid attitude. They got a double dose of something they didn’t want.
 
I guess it depends on the pastors attitude. Rigid is rigid. But that hasn’t been the connotation of the word when used in a liturgical context. I think the pastor has to be willing to serve his parish, not be a liturgical elitist - no matter conservative or liberal.

The people from the parish in NC said the pastor was not willing to listen to them among other things. It seems like they got a restorationist pastor with a rigid attitude. They got a double dose of something they didn’t want.
"Sounds like’ ‘they didn’t want’.

Wow.

I have grown children and oh how well I remember the teen years where they would tell me what they wanted, I would explain why that was not possible/safe/feasible, and they would respond, 'But you aren’t listening to me!

Of course I was listening. But when they didn’t get what they wanted, they perceived it as being because I wasn’t listening–to their minds, if I had listened then obviously I would have done what they wanted.

It is entirely possible, given the climate and society of these United States (and other places) that either the priest or the individuals (and please mark it was only some individuals, others had no problems at all) do not and did not understand that a person in authority can listen to a request and still, for good reason, deny that request, not because he ‘didn’t listen’ but because the request itself would, short or long term, involve results that were not beneficial to the whole.

And personally, I can see that with the attitude of “the priest has to do what we the people want”, there are already plenty of non-beneficial results already in play.

Now it’s ironic, in that I have a kind of opposite situation going on in my parish, but the difference is that I don’t expect the priest to kowtow to ‘the people’ and that the people with concerns are ‘offering it up’ and submitting to authority. Far better to pray for the priest and to demonstrate humility and obedience even to ways that one finds troublesome and even ‘rigid’, instead of attacking a priest.

And over such subjects, too. The priest wasn’t even doing anything abusive or antithetical to the Catholic faith at all! One could have understood concern and a ‘stand’ if the priest had been advocating confecting with pizza and beer, or demanding that the people confess in public at Mass, or that all people flagellate, but there was nothing like this at all. . .
 
Believe it. Western North Carolina is a different sort of territory. I’ll bet that these 5 (maybe less, maybe more) women are retired and moved to NC from other parts of the country.
I am with the poster who chooses not to believe, just because I read it on the internet.

Note that your example showed that a handful of women, even employees, could* not* override the leadership of the pastor. Sure, anything is possible, but I choose to not believe any news story that has so much emotional baggage.
 
I’m curious… in your opinion, why is this the deal breaker? You were fine with patens and the Our Father chanted in Latin. Are you opposed to any Gregorian chant in the Mass, half the Mass being in Gregorian Chant, or the entire Mass?
It’s a not deal breaker for me personally. I just don’t see the choir doing Gregorian chant, much less the congregation. I think it would have to be phased in very slowly in order for people to get the hang of it. The school kids like singing the ‘modern’ songs during their weekly weekday mass - they understand the words and the music style. Gregorian chant is…nice and all, but not very practical for formation IMO.

Going back to my comments about people who grew up in the pre-Vatican ll days, they said they had no idea what was being said at Mass, and they went to Catholic schools - how is that “enriching”? I would say that the reason young people like the EF is because they already are familiar with the Mass because of the OF. Bringing some Latin and chant back seems fine, but a fuller reversal would be a mistake - we would just end up back where we were in 1950 with no one having a clue what was going on at Mass.
 
"Sounds like’ ‘they didn’t want’.

Wow.

I have grown children and oh how well I remember the teen years where they would tell me what they wanted, I would explain why that was not possible/safe/feasible, and they would respond, 'But you aren’t listening to me!

Of course I was listening. But when they didn’t get what they wanted, they perceived it as being because I wasn’t listening–to their minds, if I had listened then obviously I would have done what they wanted.

It is entirely possible, given the climate and society of these United States (and other places) that either the priest or the individuals (and please mark it was only some individuals, others had no problems at all) do not and did not understand that a person in authority can listen to a request and still, for good reason, deny that request, not because he ‘didn’t listen’ but because the request itself would, short or long term, involve results that were not beneficial to the whole.

And personally, I can see that with the attitude of “the priest has to do what we the people want”, there are already plenty of non-beneficial results already in play.

Now it’s ironic, in that I have a kind of opposite situation going on in my parish, but the difference is that I don’t expect the priest to kowtow to ‘the people’ and that the people with concerns are ‘offering it up’ and submitting to authority. Far better to pray for the priest and to demonstrate humility and obedience even to ways that one finds troublesome and even ‘rigid’, instead of attacking a priest.

And over such subjects, too. The priest wasn’t even doing anything abusive or antithetical to the Catholic faith at all! One could have understood concern and a ‘stand’ if the priest had been advocating confecting with pizza and beer, or demanding that the people confess in public at Mass, or that all people flagellate, but there was nothing like this at all. . .
Apparently it was 140 people out of a parish of 250 families. That is not a small percentage.

But, they are not teenagers. They are adult members of their parish. Their pastor is supposed to minister/serve to them, not his own ideologies.

Beer and pizza sounds good right about now.
 
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Pastors are ultimately there to minister to the community, not lord their personal style over the people. I’ve been in “liberal” parishes and I’ve been in “conservative” parishes and never had anything close to resembling the kinds of problems described.
That’s a relief to hear. I would hate to hear my pastor or any other pastor experience this.

Praying for all our priests. :signofcross:
 
Gregorian chant would be a bridge to far IMO.
Gregorian chant should not be a problem for any faithful Catholic in light of Vatican II.
  1. The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services.
vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19631204_sacrosanctum-concilium_en.html

So if a church doesn’t have any chant, really it is failing in the duty to uphold and implement Vatican II.

Our new Pastor introduced it. We had it down in a couple weeks. Wasn’t that hard. People just need to finally embrace what the church set down in the '60s.
 
Going back to my comments about people who grew up in the pre-Vatican ll days, they said they had no idea what was being said at Mass, and they went to Catholic schools - how is that “enriching”? I would say that the reason young people like the EF is because they already are familiar with the Mass because of the OF. Bringing some Latin and chant back seems fine, but a fuller reversal would be a mistake - we would just end up back where we were in 1950 with no one having a clue what was going on at Mass.
It isn’t really accurate to say that no one knew what was going on in mass before 1950. Firstly the homily was still usually in the native language and often the readings were repeated in the native language during it.

Secondly in pre-Vatican 2 era Missals (which almost all Catholic parish’s had in the pew and many Catholics owned) it specifically lines out exactly what is being said and what is going on. All someone had to do was read the book in front of them if they really didn’t know any latin.

Further even in todays liturgy and not attending a Latin mass I know the Sanctus and Our Father in latin just by being around and reading Church documents. If Mass was in latin everyday I am sure it would not take more than a month or two to know enough latin to know the common parts of the mass.

If someone really did HAVE NO CLUE what was going on at mass I really have to just wonder about what they were doing all that time. They could easily read the missal, ask someone, get a guidebook, or Lord forbid learn some Latin.
 
…The 3 thought they were going to get a bunch of people to leave with them - - only 7 people left. Not families - people.
I think that is the point that others were trying to make. Its highly unlikely that a handful of people are going to convince half a parish to be “up in arms” unless they already feel that way.
 
So if a church doesn’t have any chant, really it is failing in the duty to uphold and implement Vatican II.
A diocese – or monastery – can be quite faithful to the directive that Gregorian chant is to have pride of place without it being even broadly present.

The problem is that there are those who look at one element and they do not see how the Council Fathers contrasted the need to preserve chant with forms of music that involve much much more

From *Sacrosanctum Concilium
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*113. Liturgical worship is given a more noble form when the divine offices are celebrated solemnly in song, with the assistance of sacred ministers and the active participation of the people.

As regards the language to be used, the provisions of Art. 36 are to be observed; for the Mass, Art. 54; for the sacraments, Art. 63; for the divine office. Art. 101.
  1. The treasure of sacred music is to be preserved and fostered with great care. Choirs must be diligently promoted, especially in cathedral churches; but bishops and other pastors of souls must be at pains to ensure that, whenever the sacred action is to be celebrated with song, the whole body of the faithful may be able to contribute that active participation which is rightly theirs, as laid down in Art. 28 and 30.
  2. Great importance is to be attached to the teaching and practice of music in seminaries, in the novitiates and houses of study of religious of both sexes, and also in other Catholic institutions and schools. To impart this instruction, teachers are to be carefully trained and put in charge of the teaching of sacred music.
It is desirable also to found higher institutes of sacred music whenever this can be done.

Composers and singers, especially boys, must also be given a genuine liturgical training.
  1. The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services.
But other kinds of sacred music, especially polyphony, are by no means excluded from liturgical celebrations, so long as they accord with the spirit of the liturgical action, as laid down in Art. 30.
  1. The typical edition of the books of Gregorian chant is to be completed; and a more critical edition is to be prepared of those books already published since the restoration by St. Pius X.
It is desirable also that an edition be prepared containing simpler melodies, for use in small churches.
  1. Religious singing by the people is to be intelligently fostered so that in devotions and sacred exercises, as also during liturgical services, the voices of the faithful may ring out according to the norms and requirements of the rubrics.
  2. In certain parts of the world, especially mission lands, there are peoples who have their own musical traditions, and these play a great part in their religious and social life. For this reason due importance is to be attached to their music, and a suitable place is to be given to it, not only in forming their attitude toward religion, but also in adapting worship to their native genius, as indicated in Art. 39 and 40.
Therefore, when missionaries are being given training in music, every effort should be made to see that they become competent in promoting the traditional music of these peoples, both in schools and in sacred services, as far as may be practicable.
  1. In the Latin Church the pipe organ is to be held in high esteem, for it is the traditional musical instrument which adds a wonderful splendor to the Church’s ceremonies and powerfully lifts up man’s mind to God and to higher things.
But other instruments also may be admitted for use in divine worship, with the knowledge and consent of the competent territorial authority, as laid down in Art. 22, 52, 37, and 40. This may be done, however, only on condition that the instruments are suitable, or can be made suitable, for sacred use, accord with the dignity of the temple, and truly contribute to the edification of the faithful.
  1. Composers, filled with the Christian spirit, should feel that their vocation is to cultivate sacred music and increase its store of treasures.
Let them produce compositions which have the qualities proper to genuine sacred music, not confining themselves to works which can be sung only by large choirs, but providing also for the needs of small choirs and for the active participation of the entire assembly of the faithful.
 
It isn’t really accurate to say that no one knew what was going on in mass before 1950. Firstly the homily was still usually in the native language and often the readings were repeated in the native language during it.

Secondly in pre-Vatican 2 era Missals (which almost all Catholic parish’s had in the pew and many Catholics owned) it specifically lines out exactly what is being said and what is going on. All someone had to do was read the book in front of them if they really didn’t know any latin./…/
You give little reason for me to think that you were one of us there in the preconciliar period, and under the vetus ordo

We didn’t have homilies…we had sermons, which are a different genre

Often, in opposition to what you say, the readings were not repeated in the vernacular…if one takes account weekday Masses and contrasts that to the numerically fewer Sunday Masses

I find so often that it’s people who were not there who announce what our lives were really like – and so blithely recount stories completely made up

Like the trope that we all had missals in the pews and we owned them as well. IT WAS NOT SO

There were parishes that had them but many did not; it varied

There were people who owned missals, or had been given a missal as a gift, but there were many people who did not or were not given the opportunity to use them

Those not fortunate enough to be part of the liturgical movement, and have opportunity to experience dialogue Masses, heard very little of low Masses…at all

Many people prayed the rosary or they had prayer books/manuals of pious devotions that they brought with them and read to themselves while the priest was silently at the altar reading his Mass, with the help of his altar boys

This was one of many reasons why popular devotions, such as novena services, were so popular. They engaged the laity and satisfied the devotional life of people as priest and congregation prayed together and sang together

The Council Fathers did not write the critiques on the vetus ordo from thin air but from their lived, profound experience of how disconnected things were. There was not one part of the liturgy – not one aspect – that did not need overhaul, according to their determination…the Mass, the Breviary, each and every one of the sacraments, blessings, sacramentals, ministry, art, music…everything.

As I think back to those years, I have no trouble understanding exactly why the Bishops of the world…all of them…wrote about a laity who were present at the liturgy as strangers or silent spectators. The phrase was most apt. There was rather to be a true collaboration between the priest reading the Mass and a congregation vibrant with full, conscious and active participation

*48. The Church, therefore, earnestly desires that Christ’s faithful, when present at this mystery of faith, should not be there as strangers or silent spectators; on the contrary, through a good understanding of the rites and prayers they should take part in the sacred action conscious of what they are doing, with devotion and full collaboration. They should be instructed by God’s word and be nourished at the table of the Lord’s body; they should give thanks to God; by offering the Immaculate Victim, not only through the hands of the priest, but also with him, they should learn also to offer themselves; through Christ the Mediator, they should be drawn day by day into ever more perfect union with God and with each other, so that finally God may be all in all.
  1. For this reason the sacred Council, having in mind those Masses which are celebrated with the assistance of the faithful, especially on Sundays and feasts of obligation, has made the following decrees in order that the sacrifice of the Mass, even in the ritual forms of its celebration, may become pastorally efficacious to the fullest degree.
  2. The rite of the Mass is to be revised in such a way that the intrinsic nature and purpose of its several parts, as also the connection between them, may be more clearly manifested, and that devout and active participation by the faithful may be more easily achieved.
For this purpose the rites are to be simplified, due care being taken to preserve their substance; elements which, with the passage of time, came to be duplicated, or were added with but little advantage, are now to be discarded; other elements which have suffered injury through accidents of history are now to be restored to the vigor which they had in the days of the holy Fathers, as may seem useful or necessary.

/…/
  1. By means of the homily the mysteries of the faith and the guiding principles of the Christian life are expounded from the sacred text, during the course of the liturgical year; the homily, therefore, is to be highly esteemed as part of the liturgy itself; in fact, at those Masses which are celebrated with the assistance of the people on Sundays and feasts of obligation, it should not be omitted except for a serious reason.
  2. Especially on Sundays and feasts of obligation there is to be restored, after the Gospel and the homily, “the common prayer” or “the prayer of the faithful.” By this prayer, in which the people are to take part, intercession will be made for holy Church, for the civil authorities, for those oppressed by various needs, for all mankind, and for the salvation of the entire world *
    The reason the Bishops emphasise these points is because they were lacking in the vetus ordo – and I do not ever forget what it was like to live under the vetus ordo in comparison to the great gift God gave us in the novus ordo, in all its wonderful aspects.
 
A diocese – or monastery – can be quite faithful to the directive that Gregorian chant is to have pride of place without it being even broadly present.

The problem is that there are those who look at one element and they do not see how the Council Fathers contrasted the need to preserve chant with forms of music that involve much much more

From *Sacrosanctum Concilium
*
*113. Liturgical worship is given a more noble form when the divine offices are celebrated solemnly in song, with the assistance of sacred ministers and the active participation of the people.

As regards the language to be used, the provisions of Art. 36 are to be observed; for the Mass, Art. 54; for the sacraments, Art. 63; for the divine office. Art. 101.
  1. The treasure of sacred music is to be preserved and fostered with great care. Choirs must be diligently promoted, especially in cathedral churches; but bishops and other pastors of souls must be at pains to ensure that, whenever the sacred action is to be celebrated with song, the whole body of the faithful may be able to contribute that active participation* which is rightly theirs, as laid down in Art. 28 and 30.
  2. Great importance is to be attached to the teaching and practice of music in seminaries, in the novitiates and houses of study of religious of both sexes, and also in other Catholic institutions and schools. To impart this instruction, teachers are to be carefully trained and put in charge of the teaching of sacred music.
It is desirable also to found higher institutes of sacred music whenever this can be done.

Composers and singers, especially boys, must also be given a genuine liturgical training.
  1. The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services.
But other kinds of sacred music, especially polyphony, are by no means excluded from liturgical celebrations, so long as they accord with the spirit of the liturgical action, as laid down in Art. 30.
  1. The typical edition of the books of Gregorian chant is to be completed; and a more critical edition is to be prepared of those books already published since the restoration by St. Pius X.
It is desirable also that an edition be prepared containing simpler melodies, for use in small churches.
  1. Religious singing by the people is to be intelligently fostered so that in devotions and sacred exercises, as also during liturgical services, the voices of the faithful may ring out according to the norms and requirements of the rubrics.
  2. In certain parts of the world, especially mission lands, there are peoples who have their own musical traditions, and these play a great part in their religious and social life. For this reason due importance is to be attached to their music, and a suitable place is to be given to it, not only in forming their attitude toward religion, but also in adapting worship to their native genius, as indicated in Art. 39 and 40.
Therefore, when missionaries are being given training in music, every effort should be made to see that they become competent in promoting the traditional music of these peoples, both in schools and in sacred services, as far as may be practicable.
  1. In the Latin Church the pipe organ is to be held in high esteem, for it is the traditional musical instrument which adds a wonderful splendor to the Church’s ceremonies and powerfully lifts up man’s mind to God and to higher things.
But other instruments also may be admitted for use in divine worship, with the knowledge and consent of the competent territorial authority, as laid down in Art. 22, 52, 37, and 40. This may be done, however, only on condition that the instruments are suitable, or can be made suitable, for sacred use, accord with the dignity of the temple, and truly contribute to the edification of the faithful.
  1. Composers, filled with the Christian spirit, should feel that their vocation is to cultivate sacred music and increase its store of treasures.
Let them produce compositions which have the qualities proper to genuine sacred music, not confining themselves to works which can be sung only by large choirs, but providing also for the needs of small choirs and for the active participation of the entire assembly of the faithful.
Unfortunately, most parishes have gone against the spirit of Vatican II and only focused on the other parts, getting rid of (or never having) pipe organs and never doing polyphony or chant. If chant is never present at all, then it doesn’t have pride of place.

Sure, the other instruments and types of music are allowed, but they were not to be at the exclusion of what Vatican II specifically called out.
 
Of course, now that the 50yr mark has passed on this Liturgical overhaul, one can see where it was right and where it was wrong. In another 20-30, further changes will be implemented to correct and steer the Novus Ordo toward a more faithful implementation. As a lay participant in Latin Rite Masses, the vast majority of laity I see are no further participating than before, there are of course the few that assist by reading or choir, but the general assembly of the faithful remain as spectators to what is unfolding before then. Few mumble responses in the local language, if even that.
Personally, Im not a fan of polyphonic Gregorian chant, due to its spectatorial nature, however, simple unavocal chant encourages participation, unlike a modern jazzy or pop style or Godforbid the polka music presentation which does worse than Gregorian in that regard.

As to teaching the faith thru Liturgy, thank God for the 2011 corrections in the English texts, without it, people in the pews were being subtly theologically misled.
 
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