Catholic priests in military face arrest for celebrating Mass

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1st, it is time for the Priests to follow their calling. Either set up Mass just off Post, or invite reporters to Mass on Post and hold it at their usual time.

Secondly, I don’t think Cardinal Dolan will do anything.
 
Honestly, this sounds mostly like government rule-following gone awry.

The general principle is that a contracted or wage employee may not perform work without pay. These laws were meant to protect employees from being coerced into “volunteering”, but they are often followed to stupid extremes. (For example, at a department store we were legally prohibited from telling a customer where to find something while on break.) So the base could get in serious trouble for allowing the priest to say Mass.

The easy way around this would be just to move priests around until the shutdown is over. The rules only apply to people who work for the government, not to people who are pure volunteers. Send in priests from the local diocese to say Mass as volunteers on the base, and ask the chaplains to fill in at the local parishes.

The rules are stupid, but sometimes it’s easier to work around them. I doubt there’s any malice here so much as people trying to follow all the regulations to the letter.
 
Honestly, this sounds mostly like government rule-following gone awry.

The general principle is that a contracted or wage employee may not perform work without pay. These laws were meant to protect employees from being coerced into “volunteering”, but they are often followed to stupid extremes. (For example, at a department store we were legally prohibited from telling a customer where to find something while on break.) So the base could get in serious trouble for allowing the priest to say Mass.

The easy way around this would be just to move priests around until the shutdown is over. The rules only apply to people who work for the government, not to people who are pure volunteers. Send in priests from the local diocese to say Mass as volunteers on the base, and ask the chaplains to fill in at the local parishes.

The rules are stupid, but sometimes it’s easier to work around them. I doubt there’s any malice here so much as people trying to follow all the regulations to the letter.
You’re right about the reason. When I worked for the government the rule was nobody works overtime without prior authorization and funding. When I was a manager, people would sometimes stay late and say they had to wait for a ride and wanted to finish up a few things. I tried to send them home, but couldn’t just physically kick them out of the building. Yet, if anyone from upper management had seen them still at work past quitting time, even voluntarily, I could have been fired or disciplined.
 
House voted 400-1 to allow military chaplains to work but will the senate take it up and Barack Obama sign the bill? Doubt it
 
This article is misleading. Active-duty priests will remain, but contract and non-active-duty priests are among the 800,000 federal employees on furlough by the partial shutdown. We need more vocations, and active-duty priests. All civilian contractors and employees are being treated the same throughout this ordeal.
 
As previously noted the government shut down affects only government civilian employees. That means that priests contracted to serve as chaplains cannot enter the military compounds. On the other hand if they are invited as guests to the base, they can have limited access just as any visitor to the camp. If they say mass while there, is there anyone silly enough to arrest them? If there is someone that silly, would the priest resist or would he consider it a fulfillment of his vocation? This is after all a consciously sacrificial vocation. Some of these guys may show up just to get arrested! Good on them, says I.

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Well, yeah, arrest and imprisonment might be an honorable martyrdom, but when you face losing your career, it becomes increasingly thorny. Is a young priest going to throw away 30-40 years of future Masses just for one week while Congress gets her act together?
 
Well, yeah, arrest and imprisonment might be an honorable martyrdom, but when you face losing your career, it becomes increasingly thorny. Is a young priest going to throw away 30-40 years of future Masses just for one week while Congress gets her act together?
I seriously doubt that the Church would throw away a priest just because he happened to get arrested in a situation like this.
 
Well, yeah, arrest and imprisonment might be an honorable martyrdom, but when you face losing your career, it becomes increasingly thorny. Is a young priest going to throw away 30-40 years of future Masses just for one week while Congress gets her act together?
More to the point, there’s enough other options (other priests volunteering or masses just off-base) that such a move would be pointless. It does not violate our faith if people don’t have the priest or location they desire.
 
Also, this could have something to do with an earlier article about security clearances. With the shutdown anyone not cleared won’t be any time soon.

The priests can celebrate Mass OFF BASE without facing any consequences until the government is back up and running.
Exactly what I was thinking. Concentrate on getting Mass happening, off base if necessary, rather than scoring a political point with unnecessary protest.
 
Military career, not Church ministry.
These are not, repeat, NOT uniformed military chaplains. These are civilian, repeat, CIVILIAN contractors who have been hired to perform duties on military bases. This fact has been known from the beginning to people who actually read the articles.
 
Yes, I know. Is a priest who was arrested for disobeying regs and superiors going to have a future career with the military in any form? Especially if he’s not commissioned but a contractor?!
 
Yes, I know. Is a priest who was arrested for disobeying regs and superiors going to have a future career with the military in any form? Especially if he’s not commissioned but a contractor?!
These are not, repeat, NOT uniformed military chaplains. These are civilian, repeat, CIVILIAN contractors who have been hired to perform duties on military bases. This fact has been known from the beginning to people who actually read the articles.
I think Dave’s point is that a civilian contractor priest will have many other places to go other than the military. More than likely he can’t even expect to be assigned to the military for very long.
 
The way I understand it, Catholic chaplains are already in desperately short supply for the military. So why would one of them risk shortening that supply even more by disobeying in the week before Congress wakes up? That’s my point.
 
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