"Catholic Rainbow Parents" in MN, openly protest Vatican teaching on homosexuality

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What I believe, what you believe or what anyone else believes has no bearing on the Truth.

A Truth is still true if no one believes it. A falshood is not true even if everyone believes it to be true.

The only thing that really matters is God’s Truth and what the Church teaches. I am in no position to judge what the Church teaches. I can only apply it to my own life.

I can tell others what the Church teaches and state that I believe it. Even then my belief has no bearing on the Truth. I can only submit myself to the teaching authority of the Church.
 
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TarAshly:
Im proud of these parents who support their children.
They don’t support their children… they accept their behavior. What they do support is trying to paint this sunshine, relativist view of the world where there is no such thing as “wrong” or the related “remorse.” Are you saying that a parent should “support” (i.e. accept the behavior of) a child who is a chronic liar?
Im proud of the homosexuals who accept who they are and continue to love and serve God
How can you love and serve God when you go against his Church and commandments?
and i am proud that there are Catholics in the world who stand up for whats right.
Um, that would be the people defending orthodoxy…
who dont accept discrimination and hate.
Again, relativism. Just because you state a moral absolute does not mean that you are discriminating and hating. Instead of using those juvenille tactics, why not explain WHY you think homosexuality is morally sound, and if so, what is your evidence?
and you are the one whos misinformed about what Pope John Paul the Second said. I just finished doing a research paper on him. yes he apologized for the Church’s role. at one point the Church accepted slavery but that changed. the Church is not always right. and if the Pope can admit that then i can accept that.
I do not know much about this but… I did not agree with some of the past apologies because I felt like they were foolish PR moves. Like that one apology that helped the “Nazi Pope” image… that just wasn’t cool with me.
no one or no thing is infaliable except God and his Truths.
If you don’t believe that is found in the Church, then why be Catholic?
I have a hard time seeing God turn away someone who was gay just because they were gay. would he not love them as much as he loves me a straight married woman. a sinner. are we not all sinners?
Like someone said, we turn ourselves away. Also, God does not cease loving ever, regardless of sin. But in order to be shown mercy we have to ask for it. These people are so hardened in their thoughts and ways that they do not seek forgiveness and attack the Truth.
My favorite quote in the Bible is the one about the plank in the eye. i think some choose to ignore that verse because it takes away their right to judge their brothers and sisters and kinda puts a damper in that holier than thou thing.
There is a difference between judging the morality of an action and the morality of a person. Homosexual acts are absolutely immoral. The motivation of a person might not be whole-heartedly evil (as some cooky Baptists would have you believe), but that doesn’t change the morality of the actions.

I agree, most Christian people engage in sins of lust (namely contraception) so we cannot say we are better than homosexuals. It is a lot harder to ignore homosexuality, though, you have to admit, when it is something so blatant, in your face, and explicit.
why should our doors be closed to anyone? they are not our doors to close. they are God’s doors.
Are you talking about to heaven or the Church? Because the doors of heaven (the one God controls) are totally out of our reach. Why should we close doors? I do not think excommunication is the answer. But that would more or less be doing officially what they have done in word and action (A church is a communion of believers of which these people purposefully exclude themselves.)
 
It intersting that whenever somebody invokes the “Plank in eye” quotes from scripture, to remind people not to say things like “these people are going to hell” or “homosexuals can’t be practicing and Catholic”…the response always is “you are taking it out of context”…or something to that degree

Yet I have never then heard the “Plank in Eye” or “Do not judge and you will not be judged” IN CONTEXT. It seems we can inform people they are going to hell as much as we wish. For all the restrictions those verses have actually placed on our judgments of people (Can you get more judgement than "you’re going to hell?) they might as well not even be in the bible!
 
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Gnosis:
It intersting that whenever somebody invokes the “Plank in eye” quotes from scripture, to remind people not to say things like “these people are going to hell” or “homosexuals can’t be practicing and Catholic”…the response always is “you are taking it out of context”…or something to that degree

Yet I have never then heard the “Plank in Eye” or “Do not judge and you will not be judged” IN CONTEXT. It seems we can inform people they are going to hell as much as we wish. For all the restrictions those verses have actually placed on our judgments of people (Can you get more judgement than "you’re going to hell?) they might as well not even be in the bible!
Are you then saying we have no right to say “This is a mortal sin and mortal sins will lead you to hell without repentance.” See I always believed that the “plank” was to keep people from sins of pride (I’m a better person because you commit mortal sin) or to keep people from using the flaws of others to exhault themselves at their expense and to remind us we are all sinners and need God’s forgiveness.

I also believe that the “judge not” was to keep you forgiving others and to keep you looking at salvation as from God and not by comparison of others.

Would you think it is “judgmental” to say that an unrepentant murderer will go to hell? I don’t… however, I think that those teachings imply that you cannot judge the heart of the murderer and therefore judge his final destination. However, I think if he, like the homosexuals in question, bask in their sin, then it’s a pretty fair assumption that they are not repentant. We cannot be sure (which is why you should never say “you are going to Hell”; it should be “your unrepented sins will bring you to Hell”) but I think it is a pretty logical conclusion.
 
**Totally shameful that the gay agenda would hoodwink the parents into supporting their cause. To stoop so low to use the parents grief is unconscionable . **
This isn’t a matter like head covering or music style but a matter of basic moral law that has been debated on these forums ad infinitum. You either believe what scripture and the Church teaches on this or you are not a practicing Catholic. It isn’t a matter of feeling it is a matter of obeying.
 
tom.wineman said:
**Totally shameful that the gay agenda would hoodwink the parents into supporting their cause. To stoop so low to use the parents grief is unconscionable . **
This isn’t a matter like head covering or music style but a matter of basic moral law that has been debated on these forums ad infinitum. You either believe what scripture and the Church teaches on this or you are not a practicing Catholic. It isn’t a matter of feeling it is a matter of obeying.

I don’t believe it’s a matter of being ‘hoodwinked’.

These are parents who want only the best for their kids.

They love them, they have struggled to accept this condition, but in the process of coming to terms with the condition they’ve been convinced by the secular literature out there that this condition is not controllabe.

So in their minds they are convince the child was ‘born this way’ and once that is believed, they still want their child to experience love and companionship, and even parenthood - so they are taking up the fight for their child to have the right to enter into relationships with others.

With all struggles, man tends to take the path of least resistance. I don’t know why parents of homosexuals find fighting the system easier than spiritually guiding and supporting their child. The Catholic church has many resources available to help parents help their children but they choose to seek out secular help instead of the Truth.
 
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TarAshly:
Im proud of the homosexuals who accept who they are
I agree. And lets not forget those brave young couples who decide that having sex before marriage is the right thing to do. Instead of letting this overbearing Church rule their lives they stay committed to their feelings. Bravo!

For the record, the above is ridiculously sarcastic.

One other point: what is so significant if they were born that way? Concupiscence!!! That is not to say that it won’t be a struggle for them to overcome, but frankly 1/3 are able to become heterosexual, 1/3 are able to ignore their desires, and the final 1/3 remain homosexual. Take some testimony from the former two groups and ask them just how hateful we were and how much it has ruined their lives.
 
Aaron I.:
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TarAshly:
Im proud of the homosexuals who accept who they are
I agree. And lets not forget those brave young couples who decide that having sex before marriage is the right thing to do. Instead of letting this overbearing Church rule their lives they stay committed to their feelings. Bravo!

For the record, the above is ridiculously sarcastic.

One other point: what is so significant if they were born that way? Concupiscence!!! That is not to say that it won’t be a struggle for them to overcome, but frankly 1/3 are able to become heterosexual, 1/3 are able to ignore their desires, and the final 1/3 remain homosexual. Take some testimony from the former two groups and ask them just how hateful we were and how much it has ruined their lives.
Now Aaron, we should all be proud of homosexuals who accept who they are. As with any disorder, acceptance of it is the first part on the road to recovery.
 
Eileen T: WHOA!! I hope no parents of gay children read your post! To blatantly say that gay people are going to Hell…who made you God?? How can you say that? And don’t even attempt to quote scripture, because it never says that. People may interpret it as that, but it truly doesn’t.

Yes, homosexuality isn’t what was created as “normal” and yes, people are afraid of it because of it’s abnormality. BUT, in the Old Testament where there is reference made to the “awfulness” of it, they were also still afraid of a lot of things that they didn’t understand. And if man has created more doctrine to condemn those that are homosexuals, than I certainly hope they are sitting up there with God, because in Scripture it does say “judge not, lest you be judged yourself.”

It has now been proven medically that there are brain and hormonal abnormalities in homosexual people. Something went wrong during development. There was a mistake. So now these people have an abnormality that can’t be corrected no matter how much praying and denying they do…or the Church does. And I don’t just mean the Catholic Church! Do you honestly think that a person would CHOOSE to be gay?? To be bashed, threatened, told they are going to Hell, denied what any human would want out of life, denied jobs, have to defend themselves in many settings because of the ABNORMAL fear of them!!! This isn’t a life choice, it’s a fact that something is abnormal in their genetics! IF praying for them will “cure” them, then please start praying for ALL abnormalities. My youngest brother has Down’s Syndrome, and he would love to drive car, and have a family. This too is a genetic abnormality and people used to fear them also. Their strange, almost “family-like” similarities in appearance used to make people run with fear, institutionalize them and even kill them. Fortunately, people finally listened to the medical world and quit this being so stupid.

Maybe, we should pray for understanding of the gay people. I have many gay friends, and I pray for them. Not for them to change, which they can’t, but for their safety, and just because I love them. This is “human hatred” all from fears of the unknown. There are no declarations from God that tell us to dislike and try to change what we can’t…(hmmm…accept the things we cannot change…a prayer from a Saint?)…these are from people who have decided what is right and wrong.

I know I won’t change anyone’s ideas on this, because people believe what they believe. But I want you to think about something. IF you are married, and your marriage is “valid” and blessed by the Church…whether Catholic, Protestant, whatever…and you have a loving relationship with your spouse, and only your spouse, HOW could anyone elses relationship affect yours. Does your neighbor’s affect yours? Does the abusive couple across town affect your marriage? Does the person who’s having the affair affect your marriage? Does the couple who has decided to not have children affect your marriage? How about the couple who has 10 children with another on the way affect your marriage? If none of these people affect your marriage or the sanctity of it, how could a loving gay couples relationship, wanting a marriage, affect it? It couldn’t…you’d just look the other way like you do with the other marriages.

Yes, I do have some very liberal views, and yes, I’m from Minnesota! But I’d like to think that I also have a loving heart, and where I don’t want to see 2 gay people making out, I also don’t want to see 2 straight people making out either! GROSS! Get a room! :o
 
What about the Courage program? Can we not trust God and lay our burdens at His feet? Will He not heal and forgive?

Sinners must ask for the grace and forgiveness to bear their burdens, be healed and forgiven. We are all sinners. Only sinners can receive God’s mercy. It is simple, if you don’t ask, you won’t receive.
 
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aria13:
Yes, homosexuality isn’t what was created as “normal” and yes, people are afraid of it because of it’s abnormality. BUT, in the Old Testament where there is reference made to the “awfulness” of it, they were also still afraid of a lot of things that they didn’t understand.
All Scripture has God as it’s author and can say nothing that God did not intend for it to say. Are you trying to tell us God didn’t understand something??
It has now been proven medically that there are brain and hormonal abnormalities in homosexual people. Something went wrong during development. There was a mistake. So now these people have an abnormality that can’t be corrected no matter how much praying and denying they do…or the Church does. And I don’t just mean the Catholic Church! …This isn’t a life choice, it’s a fact that something is abnormal in their genetics! IF praying for them will “cure” them, then please start praying for ALL abnormalities.
Alcoholism has been shown to have a similar basis. What are we to do with alcoholics? They too didn’t ‘choose’ their condition and can never be ‘cured’ but we certainly aren’t called to let them them liven drunken lives, are we?

No, we are called to love them enough to strengthen them to live sober lives.

Their condition is not chosen, but their behavior is. The behavior, the choice of an alcoholic to give into drinking is what is offensive to God.
. Not for them to change, which they can’t, but for their safety, and just because I love them. This is “human hatred” all from fears of the unknown. There are no declarations from God that tell us to dislike and try to change what we can’t
As I mentioned with above with the alcoholic, we cannot change their condition, but we can help those with SSA change their behavior, so I fail to see anyone here trying to “change what we can’t”

Both alcoholics and homosexuals have a disorder, one that leads to a self destructive, sinful lifestyle if left to itself. But we can love those afflicted enough to help them rise above the destructive behavior.

And with both alcoholics and homosexuals, a loving Christian does an afflicted person no favors by tolerating or even encouraging giving into their condition. Such encouragement is NOT a sign of Love.
 
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aria13:
Maybe, we should pray for understanding of the gay people. I have many gay friends, and I pray for them. Not for them to change, which they can’t, but for their safety, and just because I love them. This is “human hatred” all from fears of the unknown. There are no declarations from God that tell us to dislike and try to change what we can’t…(hmmm…accept the things we cannot change…a prayer from a Saint?)…these are from people who have decided what is right and wrong.
Please clarify something for me…
regardless of whether or not I agree there is ‘scientific evidence’ to support there are some who are ‘born’ different…and that part where you infer man made these laws and not God…

Let’s start with common ground:
In praying for understanding gay people…that would be most helpful.

But when you say ‘change’ I’m wondering if you mean change from being homosexual to heterosexual. All things are possible with God and if by changing they would be lifted out from underneath our society’s discrimination and narrow views, and free to find love with another person, perhaps to even have children of their own, how could that possibly be a bad prayer for them?

I can’t tell from your post if you condone your gay friends acting upon their homosexuality. Do you? Are you suggesting society needs to accept the sex acts these people engage in? That we should encourage them to enter into marital type relationships? That they should be encouraged to have children outside of marriage through test tubes or surrogate fathers/mothers? That they should be encouraged to adopt children?

If you do support those actions then those actions indeed are clearly in scripture as evil and to be avoided at all cost. There is no disputing how God looks upon the sex acts of a homosexual person. There is no inference at all that man came up with these views, not God.

One can only accept and support the marital type relationships and the parenting positions if they support the sex acts. As a Christian, let alone a Catholic, how do you reconcile going against Scripture and Tradition in order to support your gay friends’ personal relationships?

Or are you one to accept your gay friends as people, but not their actions? And if so, how do you manage to balance that? It certainly is what we are called to do as Catholics and Christians, and it is certainly what we need more people in our society to learn how to do, so if you’ve succeeded, please share, it would be most helpful to everyone here.
 
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TarAshly:
Im proud of these parents who support their children. Im proud of the homosexuals who accept who they are and continue to love and serve God and i am proud that there are Catholics in the world who stand up for whats right.
Being proud of them is one thing, not instructing them on matters of right and wrong is another. We would be denying out parental responsibilities by calling sin anything other than SIN !
I have a hard time seeing God turn away someone who was gay just because they were gay. would he not love them as much as he loves me a straight married woman. a sinner. are we not all sinners?
The people of Sodom and Gomorrah might not agree.
My favorite quote in the Bible is the one about the plank in the eye. i think some choose to ignore that verse because it takes away their right to judge their brothers and sisters and kinda puts a damper in that holier than thou thing.
One of the seven spiritual works of mercy is to instruct the ignorant.
It’s the same for everyone, if we goto confession and then continue with the sin, then confession becomes a joke and a mockery.
The Apostles after Pentecost said “repent and reform your lives” not repent and continue living like before.
 
Ok 1. Do not refer to me as juvenille. I have not taken any jabs at you and I would appreciate the same curteousy. 2. I have spent a lot of time with homosexual friends who have tried everything to change who they are and they just cant. some are very devout Catholics. Who i would dare say are more devout than me. 3. I believe thoroughly in God’s love and peace and forgiveness and mercy because i have felt it in my life. Furthermore what the Pope did was amazingly beautiful. I really dont care that it was cool with you or not, In fact i might be leary of something that was cool with you. Judging only by your posts, as i dont know you as a person. You attempt to spew this serene knowledge and yet all that comes out is ignorance. Also who are you to judge why or why not I am a Catholic? I converted at the age of 20 from Baptist to Catholic, this is my home and you have no right to say whether or not i belong or not. unless im mistaken and you were made Pope overnight. If so, congratulations. seems to me you have a lot of undue anger pent up against homosexuals… how sad. I can judge the morality of your actions. you are being unduely cruel and unkind and uncharitable. Thats immoral. have a nice day.
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lcalise:
They don’t support their children… they accept their behavior. What they do support is trying to paint this sunshine, relativist view of the world where there is no such thing as “wrong” or the related “remorse.” Are you saying that a parent should “support” (i.e. accept the behavior of) a child who is a chronic liar?

How can you love and serve God when you go against his Church and commandments?

Um, that would be the people defending orthodoxy…

Again, relativism. Just because you state a moral absolute does not mean that you are discriminating and hating. Instead of using those juvenille tactics, why not explain WHY you think homosexuality is morally sound, and if so, what is your evidence?

I do not know much about this but… I did not agree with some of the past apologies because I felt like they were foolish PR moves. Like that one apology that helped the “Nazi Pope” image… that just wasn’t cool with me.

If you don’t believe that is found in the Church, then why be Catholic?

Like someone said, we turn ourselves away. Also, God does not cease loving ever, regardless of sin. But in order to be shown mercy we have to ask for it. These people are so hardened in their thoughts and ways that they do not seek forgiveness and attack the Truth.

There is a difference between judging the morality of an action and the morality of a person. Homosexual acts are absolutely immoral. The motivation of a person might not be whole-heartedly evil (as some cooky Baptists would have you believe), but that doesn’t change the morality of the actions.

I agree, most Christian people engage in sins of lust (namely contraception) so we cannot say we are better than homosexuals. It is a lot harder to ignore homosexuality, though, you have to admit, when it is something so blatant, in your face, and explicit.

Are you talking about to heaven or the Church? Because the doors of heaven (the one God controls) are totally out of our reach. Why should we close doors? I do not think excommunication is the answer. But that would more or less be doing officially what they have done in word and action (A church is a communion of believers of which these people purposefully exclude themselves.)
 
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aria13:
Yes, homosexuality isn’t what was created as “normal” and yes, people are afraid of it because of it’s abnormality.
You know what, I think that as soon as you use this argument, you lose. I reject homosexuality because it is wrong, not because I am afraid of it. That places the burden of wrong behavior on me, not the person with the problem.
BUT, in the Old Testament where there is reference made to the “awfulness” of it, they were also still afraid of a lot of things that they didn’t understand.
This argument is based on the false premise you set up above. Homosexuality is wrong and it has nothing to do with heterosexual fear of it.
And if man has created more doctrine to condemn those that are homosexuals, than I certainly hope they are sitting up there with God, because in Scripture it does say “judge not, lest you be judged yourself.”
Do you know what the Catholic position is on homosexuality? This statement makes me think that you don’t.
It has now been proven medically that there are brain and hormonal abnormalities in homosexual people. Something went wrong during development. There was a mistake. So now these people have an abnormality that can’t be corrected no matter how much praying and denying they do…or the Church does. And I don’t just mean the Catholic Church! Do you honestly think that a person would CHOOSE to be gay?? To be bashed, threatened, told they are going to Hell, denied what any human would want out of life, denied jobs, have to defend themselves in many settings because of the ABNORMAL fear of them!!! This isn’t a life choice, it’s a fact that something is abnormal in their genetics!
I don’t know why someone is homosexual and, honestly, it doesn’t matter to me. For the sake of this discussion, I will concede that homosexuality is a physical disorder. So what. Being a homosexual is not a sin. Acting out on those feelings is a sin.

What if I change the term homosexual to pedophile? If we make the concession that pedophilia is a physical disorder for the sake of this discussion, would a pedophile acting out on their desires still be sinfull? After all, they were born that way and who would choose to be a pedophile?

Once again, you are wrong to use a non-existent fear as an argument against holding people responsible for their actions.
IF praying for them will “cure” them, then please start praying for ALL abnormalities.
Why wouldn’t that be the case already?
My youngest brother has Down’s Syndrome, and he would love to drive car, and have a family. This too is a genetic abnormality and people used to fear them also. Their strange, almost “family-like” similarities in appearance used to make people run with fear, institutionalize them and even kill them. Fortunately, people finally listened to the medical world and quit this being so stupid.
We are not discussing locking up or killing homosexuals.
Maybe, we should pray for understanding of the gay people. I have many gay friends, and I pray for them. Not for them to change, which they can’t, but for their safety, and just because I love them.
Interesting. Why wouldn’t you pray for them to change? Do you not feel that prayer could help? Is God not capable of changing them?
But I want you to think about something. IF you are married, and your marriage is “valid” and blessed by the Church…whether Catholic, Protestant, whatever…and you have a loving relationship with your spouse, and only your spouse, HOW could anyone elses relationship affect yours. Does your neighbor’s affect yours? Does the abusive couple across town affect your marriage? Does the person who’s having the affair affect your marriage? Does the couple who has decided to not have children affect your marriage? How about the couple who has 10 children with another on the way affect your marriage? If none of these people affect your marriage or the sanctity of it, how could a loving gay couples relationship, wanting a marriage, affect it? It couldn’t…you’d just look the other way like you do with the other marriages.
Is there any situation that you would object to calling a marriage? If so, why?

Peace

Tim
 
The people of Sodom and Gomorrah might not agree.
Please don’t just blast out about sodom and gomorrah, so many people quote these passages without reding them properly. Do you really think that homosexuality is what is wrong there?

How about the rape
How about many participants in homosexual intercourse
How about the fact that it would be intercourse outside of marriage
How about the fact that these people would be having sex with angels?
How about the fact that a man offers his daughters freely to rapists for sexual pleasure
How about the fact that these daughters later go on to drug their father
How about the fact that their father goes on to impregnate his daughters.

We cannot take bible passages at face value.
Why wouldn’t that be the case already?
Do you not think that hundereds of gay catholics have been praying to God for him to chnage them, this has been happening for many years, more than frequently God does not answer.
 
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Libero:
Do you not think that hundereds of gay catholics have been praying to God for him to chnage them, this has been happening for many years, more than frequently God does not answer.
How do you know God doesn’t answer? Perhaps the answer is no.

I pray constantly for the Lord to take away my desire to look at porn, but He hasn’t yet. Would that excuse me if I fall to that temptation?

Peace

Tim
 
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TarAshly:
  1. I have spent a lot of time with homosexual friends who have tried everything to change who they are and they just cant. some are very devout Catholics.
But they don’t have to change.
They have to not act on their homosexual tendencies.
They have to live celibate lives just like their single heterosexual counterparts.
Since they are devout Catholics I don’t understand why this would be so difficult for them to do. Certainly as devout as they are they only want to please God, to do His will and they recognize He is there to help them do so no matter what.
So they only need to TRUST in God to help them live the celibate and chaste life they are called to for His sake.

How does our wanting that kind of life for them make us homophobic, judgemental and cruel?
Do you have any idea what a wonderful sacrificial offering like this would mean to God?
Don’t you believe there would be much grace given to the celibate homosexual who willingly and lovingly offers his/her life on earth to the Lord?
 
How do you know God doesn’t answer? Perhaps the answer is no.
Should that be the answer then we have a probelm.

God is omnibenevolent and loves all his children more than we can understand. Why would God want one of his children to be homosexual, and others not to be, even those who are begging for help. This is very strange. He is diliberately giving one child a much harder task than the other, even when they have said they cannot do it. Would you do this to one child who you love just as much as all others, and more than we can understand?

The only other possibility is that God, does not want us to have homosexuality corrected, that we have interpreted teaching incorrectly, and thus must revise it.
Since they are devout Catholics I don’t understand why this would be so difficult for them to do. Certainly as devout as they are they only want to please God, to do His will and they recognize He is there to help them do so no matter what.
Since you are not homosexual, maybe that is why you cannot understand why it is so hard to do?
 
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Libero:
Should that be the answer then we have a probelm.
You have a problem with God?
God is omnibenevolent and loves all his children more than we can understand. Why would God want one of his children to be homosexual, and others not to be, even those who are begging for help. This is very strange.
Really? I tell my children no all the time and I do it out of love. Is a parent loving only if He says yes to everything?

We don’t have to know why God does what He does. We have to accept it, but we don’t have the right to know His reasons.

Why did God send His Son to be tortured and murdered? Do you suggest that He didn’t love His Son?
He is diliberately giving one child a much harder task than the other, even when they have said they cannot do it.
That’s right. It is harder. That doesn’t change anything, though.
Would you do this to one child who you love just as much as all others, and more than we can understand?
I don’t know why God does what He does. If I knew his reason, I’m sure I would because He is right in all things.
The only other possibility is that God, does not want us to have homosexuality corrected, that we have interpreted teaching incorrectly, and thus must revise it.
I will stand by the first possiblity. You have no basis to expect your second possiblity is valid.
Since you are not homosexual, maybe that is why you cannot understand why it is so hard to do?
I have sexual urges just like anyone. What makes a homosexual special in that regard? I can’t go and have sex with every attractive female I see regardless of what my urges are.

By the way, you are correct that I am not a homosexual, but my sister is, so I do have some insight on the subject. I don’t think that is necessary, though.

Peace

Tim
 
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