Catholic religion belief in Jesus vs Jewish Religion non belief in Jesus (what I read on another site )

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I am baptized catholic but for most of my life, I never had 100% faith that there was a God and life after death and that Jesus was really who he said he was. Deep down I held onto the belief that there has to be something after death and that if god is real, he is forgiving and everything will be okay. I always was envious of people with deep faith like the many on this board. Just recently I was knocking down that block and I started to believe that God is real and Jesus is real and I couldn’t believe the happiness I felt. I felt my life completely change.

Then I stumbled on this website: aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html where it talks about why Jewish people don’t believe in Jesus. Now, that isn’t the problem, and I understand that they have different views, as do other religions do, but I have to admit, reading about the virgin birth of Jesus (one of the reasons why they don’t believe in him) made me question my newly found belief in Jesus.

this is what they wrote:

“The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an “alma” as giving birth. The word “alma” has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as “virgin.” This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.”

Is it true that chrisian theologians translated the birth as virgin? If this is the case, then it makes me question who is right and wrong. Maybe no religion is completely right or maybe there is one that is. Maybe each religion has facts and fictions. Maybe the atheists are right and there is nothing after death. Maybe whatever you believe in is right.

It was interesting to read their various reasonings, because it made me realize that each religion has their own set of beliefs, some beliefs are so opposite of another’s so someone has to be wrong. If people can’t agree, that’s because there is no proof, just a theory of xyz happening. If there was proof of xyz, then people would agree and we would all be the same religion. Probably not, that’s just my random thoughts.

I hope I don’t offend anyone, I am just trying to figure out what do I really believe. If someone can read that page to the link I posted and comment because they put up a few statements comparing their reasonings to the catholic reasonings that just made me question what I should believe as a catholic maybe isn’t right.
 
Well I would suggest you read the book THE CASE FOR CHRIST, which is written by an evangelical who was a criminal court reporter and at the time an athiest. His wife became christian which upset him, so he began a “criminal investigation” to report on “the case of Christ” with the goal of using standard investigative techniques used by law enforcement, and thus over turn and disprove the story of JESUS. He interviewed many “expert witnesses”, one of whom was a Jewish scholar, and in the end the investigation evangelized himself to become christian.

Also, read COLLEGE Apologetics by Father Anthony Alexander. This is an easy read primer of the faith from “proofs of GOD” through a discussion of other faiths, including the Jewish faith.

JESUS said, “…all who seek find…”, so you are on the correct path.
 
magic_stick said:
“The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an “alma” as giving birth. The word “alma” has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as “virgin.” This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.”

Is it true that chrisian theologians translated the birth as virgin? If this is the case, then it makes me question who is right and wrong. Maybe no religion is completely right or maybe there is one that is. Maybe each religion has facts and fictions. Maybe the atheists are right and there is nothing after death. Maybe whatever you believe in is right. .
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That bit about the virgin birth is an utter lie. Christian theologians didn’t make some sort of false translation. There was at that time a Greek version of the Old Testament, written a couple centuries before Jesus Christ was born, called the Septuagint. During its time it was considered divinely inspired. In it, the word is in fact “virgin” not “young woman.” So Christians didn’t change anything. They just used the Old Testament.
 
magic_stick said:
I am baptized catholic but for most of my life, I never had 100% faith that there was a God and life after death and that Jesus was really who he said he was. Deep down I held onto the belief that there has to be something after death and that if god is real, he is forgiving and everything will be okay. I always was envious of people with deep faith like the many on this board. Just recently I was knocking down that block and I started to believe that God is real and Jesus is real and I couldn’t believe the happiness I felt. I felt my life completely change.

Then I stumbled on this website: aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html where it talks about why Jewish people don’t believe in Jesus. Now, that isn’t the problem, and I understand that they have different views, as do other religions do, but I have to admit, reading about the virgin birth of Jesus (one of the reasons why they don’t believe in him) made me question my newly found belief in Jesus.

this is what they wrote:

“The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from the verse in Isaiah 7:14 describing an “alma” as giving birth. The word “alma” has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as “virgin.” This accords Jesus’ birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by gods.”

Is it true that chrisian theologians translated the birth as virgin? If this is the case, then it makes me question who is right and wrong. Maybe no religion is completely right or maybe there is one that is. Maybe each religion has facts and fictions. Maybe the atheists are right and there is nothing after death. Maybe whatever you believe in is right.

It was interesting to read their various reasonings, because it made me realize that each religion has their own set of beliefs, some beliefs are so opposite of another’s so someone has to be wrong. If people can’t agree, that’s because there is no proof, just a theory of xyz happening. If there was proof of xyz, then people would agree and we would all be the same religion. Probably not, that’s just my random thoughts.

I hope I don’t offend anyone, I am just trying to figure out what do I really believe. If someone can read that page to the link I posted and comment because they put up a few statements comparing their reasonings to the catholic reasonings that just made me question what I should believe as a catholic maybe isn’t right.
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The word in question means an “unmarried chaste young woman”, it is the closest word to “virgin” in the Hebrew Language as far as I am concerned. The only way it could be made to apply to a non-virgin is if a woman was raped. The same applies to the Greek term used in the LXX (which predates Christianity by 500 years), Parthanos.

Translating it as “Young woman” doesn’t make any sense because in those days everyone, or at least the vast majority, in every culture, who gave birth was a young woman. It would be like proclaiming the messiah would be born somewhere affected by weather.
 
I suggest that the most reliable place to get the facts is the catechism. Ask the Holy Spirit to enlighten you to the facts important to your faith as it is today and remain open minded and prayerful and the answers will come, this in fact will work for the rest of your faith life…In the Love of Christ and Our Lady Tom
 
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Thank you so much for the replies everyone!
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The term ‘young woman’…refers to an unmarried girl, who in Jewish LAW must be a virgin!

Therefore, ‘young woman’ is interchangeable with ‘virgin.’

Like many Jews who argue the subject, they ignore their own laws in order to be intellectually dishonest.

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magic_stick said:
Then I stumbled on this website: aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html where it talks about why Jewish people don’t believe in Jesus. Now, that isn’t the problem, and I understand that they have different views, as do other religions do, but I have to admit, reading about the virgin birth of Jesus (one of the reasons why they don’t believe in him) made me question my newly found belief in Jesus.
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Welcome to the world of “Oh, yes it is!”/“Oh, no it isn’t!”. 🙂
 
Kaninchen said:
Welcome to the world of “Oh, yes it is!”/“Oh, no it isn’t!”. 🙂
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SO? TELL US YOUR VERSION the link referred to . a propaganda site. would like to say more,

what do you believe,
 
athair_siochain said:
SO? TELL US YOUR VERSION the link referred to . a propaganda site. would like to say more,

what do you believe,
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I believe that “Oh, yes it is!”/“Oh, no it isn’t!” is one of the least productive forms of inter-faith discussion.
 
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