Catholic Santorum winning the South ... our next Prez ?

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ishii said:
Funny, Obama’s poll numbers are dropping too. Obama promised that premiums would be cheaper with the passage of Obama care but they are higher. And the cost of Obama care is going to be 2 trillion instead of the 1 trillion Obama promised. This election choice will be clear: either we will elect a president who wants to give future generations huge amounts of debt or we will elect a president who will deal with the fiscal realities we face. I am guessing that if the American people are presented with the facts, they will choose fiscal responsibility over the “hope and change” (and huge deficits) of Obama.

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Let me know Ishii when Obama’s numbers have dropped to where Congress is. In the meantime, while I certainly believe the Affordable Care Act is far from perfect, it hasn’t fully beem implemented yet to judge. I know it’s absolutely great though if people are no longer denied health care coverage based on pre-existing conditions and that younger folks can remain on their parent’s policies longer.
 
CMatt25 said:
Let me know Ishii when Obama’s numbers have dropped to where Congress is.
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“Congress” does not equate to an individual, just as the polls showing Republicans winning in a generic Congressional vote don’t mean that the individual Republican candidates will win Congress for the Republicans this election (though I hope they do). You won’t find any individual Congressman with a poll number anywhere near as low as “Congress.”

The President, on the other hand, is an individual, so his poll numbers are directly reflective of him and his performance as President.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
What you don’t get though is you cut the legs out from under the individuals and faith based groups who’d like to help, by forcing them to pay the government in higher taxes first.
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I recall the GOP debate when not a single Republican candidate would raise his hand in favor of a deficit reduction plan with a 10:1 spending cuts to revenue ratio. Yet for instance millionaire individuals I’m sure could afford to pay higher taxes and still contribute their share to charity and faith based groups. So I don’t buy your premise for a second.
 
rlg94086 said:
“Congress” does not equate to an individual
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Americans give Congress dismal ratings but many say they like their own congressperson. (Myself not included. I’m thrilled there’s not even the slightest chance he’ll be mine any longer as he’s decided to jump ship and run in another district.) Each of our own districts is the only one anyone gets to vote on. No wonder Congress has such dismal ratings if people are going to reelect their own congressperson. We’ll end up with pretty much the same Congress with dismal ratings in that case.
 
CMatt25 said:
I recall the GOP debate when not a single Republican candidate would raise his hand in favor of a deficit reduction plan with a 10:1 spending cuts to revenue ratio. Yet for instance millionaire individuals I’m sure could afford to pay higher taxes and still contribute their share to charity and faith based groups. So I don’t buy your premise for a second.
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Yea, CMatt, your right. They could. But politicians don’t take tax money from billionaires like Jeffrey Immelt(I’m sure you know the guy) or multi billion dollar corporations like GE, they take campaign money from them. And in return give their companies taxpayer money and government contracts.

Instead they tax the other half of the people in the private employment sector, small business’s like my families who struggle to pay their employees and have to squeeze by through the holidays when it’s getting close to tax time hoping they have enough to cover their quarterly payments.

You want to help the poor, get government off of the backs of everyone else so they can have some breathing room to actually help the poor. Obama’s and the Democrat team is too busy scratching Immelt’s back while fooling liberals into believing he’s making life easier for those of us in the lower income brackets.

You don’t have to believe what I say, but good grief, for the sake of our country stop believing everything a politician tells you.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
Yea, CMatt, your right. They could. But politicians don’t take tax money from billionaires like Jeffrey Immelt(I’m sure you know the guy) or multi billion dollar corporations like GE, they take campaign money from them. And in return give their companies taxpayer money and government contracts.

You don’t have to believe what I say, but good grief, for the sake of our country stop believing everything a politician tells you.
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Actually I have no idea who he is. I’m going to assume an Obama supporter based on your post. But if you’re argung he and GE should pay more taxes, you get no argument from me. And trust me there are plenty of politicians who I don’t believe. 👍
 
CMatt25 said:
Actually I have no idea who he is. I’m going to assume an Obama supporter based on your post. But if you’re argung he and GE should pay more taxes, you get no argument from me. And trust me there are plenty of politicians who I don’t believe. 👍
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Google Obama and Jeffrey Immelt.
 
scipio337 said:
A private citizen should be in jail for wishing to limit confiscator taxes?
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62Joy said:
No - politicians who sign pledges to support the interests of a lobbyist should be in jail. I have no problem with them agreeing with his position - but, to actually sign a pledge saying that is how you are going to base your decisions in congress - sorry, that is NOT okay. And I say that for anyone - either party. The three Dems who signed it should be in a cell as well.

I told you that I was a Republican for years and that is true. If you don’t choose to believe it - that is fine. And from your perspective I can see why - because I am not fund of the “new” but definitely “not improved” GOP. Or maybe, it is just because I am older and wiser now than I was when I was younger. Have a good day.
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And I’m guessing you have a similar outrage to Democratic candidates who sign pledges to support NARAL and Planned Parenthood (both of whom have lobbying arms?
 
bbarrick8383 said:
He told someone recently if they wanted limited government to vote for Ron Paul. He’s a nice guy, Christian, which I believe he confused with conservatism to a certain extent. But he’s not presidential.
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*Define presidential - please!

Cinette:)*
 
Cinette said:
*Define presidential - please!

Cinette:)*
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My definition is different than yours I’m sure. Give Santorum enough time and his shoes will be soaked from sticking his foot in his mouth do much. Him and Romney have done/said things I don’t like but I don’t expect the people to nominate a great leader, those days are over. We elect the bad guy who can beat the badder guy regardless of how incompetent he is.
 
brb3 said:
What if Romney wins tonite in Illinois ? Is it all over for Santorum ?
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They projected the results: Mitt Romney will win Illinois.

And they said he won among Catholics. That’s just disgusting to me. I’m disgusted. And I’ll stick to words I’ve said in the past: if nominated a Republican nominee, I won’t vote for him. In fact I’ll probably verbally assault him the whole time and encourage people to protest vote against him.

Let me clarify: I’m disgusted because BOTH parties in this country are going to nominate candidates who have attacked the Catholic Church and legally forced them to provide contraception and abortifacients.

bostoncatholicinsider.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/did-romney-lie-about-cardinal-omalley-to-the-nation-during-the-wednesday-debate/
Mitt Romney:
“In my personal view, it’s the right thing for hospitals to provide information and access to emergency contraception to anyone who is a victim of rape.”
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This quote is from after he vetoed the contraception bill. Dec. 8th 2005, and he’s talking about Catholic hospitals here.
Boston Globe:
“Governor Mitt Romney reversed course on the state’s new emergency contraception law yesterday, saying that all hospitals in the state will be obligated to provide the morning-after pill to rape victims. The decision overturns a ruling made public this week by the state Department of Public Health that privately run hospitals could opt out of the requirement if they objected on moral or religious grounds.”
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Mitt Romney disagreed with the Massachusetts Department of Public Health which
said “No, Catholic hospitals can still opt-out”.

So… people can point to Mitt Romney’s veto as the be all end all in this. But, it was nothing but a smoke screen. Mitt Romney already knew his veto was going to be overridden.** So, the real question is this: If Mitt Romney truly cared about religious liberty and the pro-life movement why didn’t he keep fighting?**

This is 6 months after his veto… when the law was actually going to take effect. And, the Bill passed by the legislature did not force Catholic Churches to provide anything. Not until the Governor, Mitt Romney decided that they did.

Obamacare didn’t originally force mandated contraception. [We didn’t know what it did; the only way to find out what it did, was to pass it- circa Nancy Pilosi]. But, then Kathleen Sibelius redefined the law as in fact mandated contraception that’s when the issue started.
 
Semper_Zelare said:
They projected the results: Mitt Romney will win Illinois.

And they said he won among Catholics. That’s just disgusting to me. I’m disgusted. And I’ll stick to words I’ve said in the past: if nominated a Republican nominee, I won’t vote for him. In fact I’ll probably verbally assault him the whole time and encourage people to protest vote against him.
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I heard Romney won among those Catholic Republicans who attend Mass every week but if its any consolation I heard Santorum won among Protestant GOP voters who attend their services each wk. :hug1: Maybe Santorum will win Louisiana. CNN shows the road to be uphill at best but isn’t the only road for Santorum is to prevent Mitt from securing the magic number of delegates? 👍
 
CMatt25 said:
I heard Romney won among those Catholic Republicans who attend Mass every week but if its any consolation I heard Santorum won among Protestant GOP voters who attend their services each wk. :hug1: Maybe Santorum will win Louisiana. CNN shows the road to be uphill at best but isn’t the only road for Santorum is to prevent Mitt from securing the magic number of delegates? 👍
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I heard Romney was a Mormon missionary in France as a teenage. And later became a Mormon Bishop. And has given millions of dollars to the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints through tithing.

That’s just what I heard though 🤷

NVM I read “Romney won among” as “Romney was among” Passive voice.

Anyways, I don’t believe your hearsay about weekly Mass going Catholics.
 
Early reports indicate Romney won Illinois by a wide margin. I think Santorum has had it.
 
Semper_Zelare said:
And they said he won among Catholics. That’s just disgusting to me. I’m disgusted. And I’ll stick to words I’ve said in the past: if nominated a Republican nominee, I won’t vote for him. In fact I’ll probably verbally assault him the whole time and encourage people to protest vote against him.
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“Disgusted” is pretty strong. There are a lot of very faithful Catholics who support Romney, and I don’t doubt the sincerity of their pro-life support. In fact, a lot of pro-life organizations have come out to back up Romney’s pro-life stance.

I hope your “verbal assaults” don’t lead to an Obama victory. Whom will you be supporting come November, if not Romney?
 
Romney will likely be the nominee, and if he is, I will support him.

Someone told me though, that it is good to have 4 GOP candidates in the race at this point, as they will make sure that the major issues stay on the screen as long as possible. There’s a point to that, IMNAAHO.

ICXC NIKA
 
PeterPaschasius said:
“Disgusted” is pretty strong. There are a lot of very faithful Catholics who support Romney, and I don’t doubt the sincerity of their pro-life support. In fact, a lot of pro-life organizations have come out to back up Romney’s pro-life stance.

I hope your “verbal assaults” don’t lead to an Obama victory. Whom will you be supporting come November, if not Romney?
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No one - he’d presumably prefer to have Obama with his HHS mandate and lefty supreme court justice picks than vote for the Mormon Romney.

Ishii
 
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