Catholic School in Quebec Loses Religious Freedom Case

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triumphguy said:
Quebec is 90% Christian: out of a population of 7,125,580 people, 5,939,715 stated they were Catholic on the 2001 census.
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But that is simply what they claim to be. In practice, well…

My wife is Quebecois. When we go to visit her relatives, in a small town a few hours outside of Montreal, none of them practice the Faith. For some of her cousins, or their children, the one and only time they were in a Church was for their Baptism. After that, they do not see a need to step into a parish.

When we take our kids to Mass, it is strictly just the elderly. My wife and I (in our 40’s) would easily be the youngest ones there if it were not for our kids being present.

The Church is Quebec is in a really sad state 😦
 
JMJSHJ said:
Living in Ontario (Toronto) McGuinty has resigned as leader but whoever becomes leader won’t be any better than him and the Conservative leader is no better either (Hudak) although the Government hasn’t expressed any interest in interfering in Private School affairs. .
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Sure it has, the requirement to have Gay-Straight Alliances.

catholicfreepress.org/international/2012/06/08/ontario-law-catholic-schools-must-allow-gay-straight-alliance-clubs/

At least the bishops were able to divert this requirement into clubs that focus exclusively on reducing anti-gay bullying.
 
Brendan said:
Sure it has, the requirement to have Gay-Straight Alliances.

catholicfreepress.org/international/2012/06/08/ontario-law-catholic-schools-must-allow-gay-straight-alliance-clubs/

At least the bishops were able to divert this requirement into clubs that focus exclusively on reducing anti-gay bullying.
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Good for the bishops. One lesson here is that not all battles are necessarily won with head-on challenges. They want you to teach? So teach…unless they’re coming in to do the teaching, you in the classroom are the one with the real control over what students take away from the class.
 
Brendan said:
But that is simply what they claim to be. In practice, well…

My wife is Quebecois. When we go to visit her relatives, in a small town a few hours outside of Montreal, none of them practice the Faith. For some of her cousins, or their children, the one and only time they were in a Church was for their Baptism. After that, they do not see a need to step into a parish.

When we take our kids to Mass, it is strictly just the elderly. My wife and I (in our 40’s) would easily be the youngest ones there if it were not for our kids being present.

The Church is Quebec is in a really sad state 😦
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C’est vrai.😉
 
JMJSHJ said:
Living in Ontario (Toronto) McGuinty has resigned as leader but whoever becomes leader won’t be any better than him and the Conservative leader is no better either (Hudak) although the Government hasn’t expressed any interest in interfering in Private School affairs.

Too bad the Montreal diocese can’t help take up the fight against the Separatist Government.
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Im quite glad He did. Although I don’t give the Conservatives with Tim Hudak much hope either. Our PM in our “Riding” is Joe Preston for the Conservatives, He isn’t doing a much better job either. They even shut the bill down in Federal Parliament, the bill that would have made them recognize life as from the moment of conception. We need an overhaul in the Government. Big time.
 
triumphguy said:
C’est vrai.😉
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A Priest who grew up in Quebec mentioned at St. Peters Seminary, during a Panel interview, where back in his days, the Pre-vatican II days, they had I think, 94% attendance or so. Now the rate is just abysmal. Just like France, the Eldest Daughter of the Church, I think MASS attendance rate is like 7% or so :eek::eek::eek::eek:

How discouraging!! :eek: :mad: 😦
 
mymamamary said:
A Priest who grew up in Quebec mentioned at St. Peters Seminary, during a Panel interview, where back in his days, the Pre-vatican II days, they had I think, 94% attendance or so. Now the rate is just abysmal. Just like France, the Eldest Daughter of the Church, I think MASS attendance rate is like 7% or so :eek::eek::eek::eek:

How discouraging!! :eek: :mad: 😦
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Quebec is a scary place. They even have a government-funded registry where anybody can report you for simply criticizing the act of sodomy. Catholics, of course, have a moral duty to speak out against such acts when somebody’s soul is at stake so this is essentially legislated christian persecution.

If I was a married Catholic with children in Quebec, I would give serious thought to migrating to Alberta and homeschooling for the sake of my children’s spiritual upbringing. Alberta is far from being an upstanding example of christianity, but Albertan’s traditionally don’t like government involvement which translates to parent’s still having some freedom over what their kids get taught (although who knows how long that is going to last).
 
Dale_M said:
According to the Canadian newspaper The Catholic Register, it is a private Catholic high school.
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Most Catholic schools in Canada are funded by the government. Not sure about Quebec but I know in Ontario that Catholic schools are fully funded by the government and you don’t pay a cent to enter them. Some contested the funding recently but the government ruled the funding is grandfathered. This shows how religious the history of the Canadian government is, and how sad and sorry is its state today.
 
ConstantineTG said:
Most Catholic schools in Canada are funded by the government. Not sure about Quebec but I know in Ontario that Catholic schools are fully funded by the government and you don’t pay a cent to enter them. Some contested the funding recently but the government ruled the funding is grandfathered. This shows how religious the history of the Canadian government is, and how sad and sorry is its state today.
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Then they are government schools per se. It explains the inordinate government intervention. IMO, they should shutdown all Catholic schools in such areas. People who want to attend Catholic schools should relocate. It would be for their own good.
 
I only vaguely recall the story of the Hatpin Ladies who resisted the Canadian government’s interference in Catholic schools by simply wielding their hatpins against the invading constabulary. Bring back hats and hatpins.
 
What stops them from refusing to comply? If their funding is cut, then they can open as a tuition-based school instead. Montreal is a large city. There are probably plenty of parents who would not mind paying a tuition in order to ensure their child is being taught authentic Catholic teachings. Other Catholics would probably donate to scholarship funds for those who can’t afford it.
 
Brendan said:
In 1968 they did, but not now

militesveritatis.blogspot.com/2006/10/tragedy-at-winnipeg-canadian-catholic.html
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Unfortunately, this article doesn’t actually talk about there being a retraction of the Winnipeg statement.

As a Canadian Catholic, I have never once heard from the pulpit that contraception is a mortal sin that can cause a soul to go to hell. Based on this, it seems to me that there is still overwhelming support for the “spirit” of the Winnipeg Statement amoung Canadian priests and bishops.
 
In the end, liberals always impose their socialist utopia by force. Jonestown was a good example of this.
 
Allegra said:
What stops them from refusing to comply? If their funding is cut, then they can open as a tuition-based school instead.
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It is already a private, Jesuit, tuition-based school.
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Allegra:
Other Catholics would probably donate to scholarship funds for those who can’t afford it.
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The school has invited people to do just that.

loyola.ca/index.php/support-loyola/annual-giving/46-adopt-a-student
To help meet all of these requests, Loyola is actively seeking benefactors who are willing to adopt students for the duration of their time at Loyola. The number of generous individuals that have contributed to the program has grown steadily since the inception of the initiative.
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The cost of fully endowing an adoption is $120,000.
A $60,000 donation will endow a half-adoption.
The cost of an annual full adoption is $6,500 or $3,250 for a half adoption.
This year, the school has forty-five “adopted” students.
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kelvinf said:
I understood somewhat. It was more like a narration of events. I didn’t quite get the last 2 paragraphs. But there is nothing concrete there about their next action. 🤷
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The second last paragraph expresses the bishop’s thoughts that the minister of education could have simply allowed the course already in place to be taught instead of the Provincially mandated one and that it’s not fair that the school has to set aside it’s catholicity for a few periods each week to comply with the ministry of education’s mandate.

The last paragraph refers to the fact that some Québec parents had already gone to the Supreme Court of Canada seeking exemption from this Ethics course for their children based on the Freedom of Religion article in the Canadian Charter of Right and Freedoms. The Supreme Court ruled in Feb. 2012 that being forced to take the course did not violate ‘Freedom of Religion’
cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/02/16/supreme-court-canada-religion-education-challenge.html
 
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