Catholic school refuses to promote promiscuity via HPV vaccination

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My 2 cents worth, fwiw…

I do not see how this promotes promiscuity. I cannot see anyone saying “now that I’m covered for HPV, I’m going to town!”, given that there is still HIV, Herpes, Chlamydia, Syphylis, Gonorhea, pregnancy…

I do not see how I, as a parent, have any control over my daughter’s future choice in spouse. Unless I plan to lock her in a room and screen prospective gentlemen callers, I have no say in who she meets, falls in love with, or marries, nor what his past might be.

Example - say my dear daughter goes away to university (she plans to next year), meets a nice young man, and they start to like one another. Say he’s not Catholic, but, upon meeting her, becomes interested in her strong Catholic faith, and begins to attend church with her. Their affection for one another grows. He converts. They get engaged. They marry.

Does his past have to have anything to do with their future? Do we tell our children to ask on the first date, “are you a virgin?”, and if the answer is “no”, end the contact with that person?

Not everyone comes to their Catholic faith in a neat and tidy way. We do not all come from homogeneously perfect Catholic backgrounds, and meet people from homogeneous perfect Catholic backgrounds, and marry perfectly. It’s nice, but it is not the story for everyone. I have numerous friends who are converts! They were brought to holiness through their conversion and marriage to Catholics who did not reject them on their first date.

How do we advance Christ’s kingdom if we never step outside of our own bubble? Who converts the unbelievers? 🤷

Editing to add -

Why vaccinate now and not wait until daughter is engaged -
Because it is within my ability to do so now. She is in my home, under my influence and care. I do not know where she will live, work, etc. when she gets engaged. What if she lives on the other side of the country? will I be calling her up and saying “remember that talk we had about Gardasil? go do it now!”

all imho
 
sandraladeda said:
…Why vaccinate now and not wait until daughter is engaged -
Because it is within my ability to do so now. She is in my home, under my influence and care. I do not know where she will live, work, etc. when she gets engaged. What if she lives on the other side of the country? will I be calling her up and saying “remember that talk we had about Gardasil? go do it now!”

all imho
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Why vaccinate at 11 yrs old (what the government is recommending), when your daughter will be under your influence for 7 more years? At 11 yrs old many girls have not even started menstruating and yet the government wants us to give them a vaccine for an STD!

In California they used to require testing for immunity to German Measles and the shot if not immune to get married. Why couldn’t the government require proof of HPV vaccine to get married?
 
timotheos said:
She also knows that the importance of chastity is more than a health issue, it is an issue of her dignity, as a human being created in the image and likeness of God.
No question, I am often a pigheaded a**. But in this area I base my opinion and guidance on information, reason and faith.

-Tim
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You have much patience, commendations sir. 😃

The problem is that the Culture of Death doesn’t want anyone to believe this, in the inherent dignity of the human person.
Sexual activity, according to the “safe(r) sex” crowd, sex is uncontrollable, animalistic, and should be considered normal for even the youngest of children.
IMHO it is all more indoctrination.

ANyway - here is some troubling info about the vaccine from Physicians for Life:
Judicial Watch Special Report: Examining The FDA’s HPV Vaccine Records: Executive Summary
(See full report at:

judicialwatch.org/documents/2008/JWReportFDAhpvVaccineRecords.pdf)

In May 2007, Judicial Watch submitted a request to the FDA under the Freedom of Information Act for all records concerning Merck’s new anti-HPV vaccine, Gardasil.

After Judicial Watch filed a lawsuit in October 2007 to compel record production, the FDA finally released four sets of documents, the last in June 2008. These records detail the development and expedited approval of Gardasil.

The documents include patent and licensing memoranda, test reports for the vaccine, and the final briefing document on Gardasil submitted to the FDA in April 2006, one month before the vaccine was approved.

The FDA also produced 8,864 VAERS reports. Judicial Watch uncovered a transcript of Merck’s May 18, 2006, meeting with the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC), at which the vaccine received a unanimous vote of approval.Analysis of the records shows:

. Gardasil is a prophylactic, preventative vaccine and will not treat pre-existing HPV infection. It is not a cancer vaccine or cure.

. Gardasil is marketed as a vaccine that prevents cancer, but it " . . . has not been evaluated for the potential to cause carcinogenicity or genotoxicity."

. Gardasil is not 100% effective against all HPVs. It is designed to protect against only four strains of HPV, even though there are over thirty strains including at least fifteen that can cause cancer.

. While Gardasil is the most expensive vaccine ever to be recommended by the FDA, its long-term effectiveness is unknown and could be as brief as only two to three years.

. During testing, an aluminum-containing placebo was used. Aluminum can cause permanent cell damage and is a reactive placebo, unlike most standard saline placebos. This means that tests of Gardasil may not have given an accurate picture of safety levels.

. Although some states are considering making it mandatory for young girls to get the Gardasil vaccine, it has only been tested with one other vaccine commonly given to children. There are ten commonly administered adolescent vaccines.

. Gardasil is still in the testing stages, and will not be fully evaluated for safety until September 2009.
VAERS reports show that as many as eighteen people have died after receiving Gardasil.

See full report:
judicialwatch.org/documents/2008/JWReportFDAhpvVaccineRecords.pdf​

 
  1. The government shouldn’t force medical treatment on anyone (one of the many reasons I oppose socialized medicine).
  2. You wanna prevent herpes? Don’t have sex. Why do we need a vaccine for it?
  3. Worried about catching an STD from a future spouse? Don’t marry someone who’s fornicated. If he lied, then there’s no sacrament of holy matrimony.
What does it profit a man to gain the world and lose his soul in the process?
Why are Americans so afraid of illness and suffering and poverty when Jesus says those are the very things prerequisite to getting into Heaven?
What happened to the days when Catholics “offered it up” instead of selling out to socialists and big pharmaceutical corporations?
 
sandraladeda said:
Example - say my dear daughter goes away to university (she plans to next year), meets a nice young man, and they start to like one another. Say he’s not Catholic, but, upon meeting her, becomes interested in her strong Catholic faith, and begins to attend church with her. Their affection for one another grows. He converts. They get engaged. They marry.

Does his past have to have anything to do with their future? Do we tell our children to ask on the first date, “are you a virgin?”, and if the answer is “no”, end the contact with that person?
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Simple, when they announce their engagement, recommend to her that she receive this vaccine.

Why exactly would she need it at any point prior. especially in elementary school?
 
GodsGadfly said:
If he lied, then there’s no sacrament of holy matrimony.
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If the man goes to confession, confesses this and gets absolution, there is a sacrament. However, I wonder how many priests would require a man who confessed to this to tell his fiance?
 
Yes, if a person marries in a state of mortal sin, there’s no valid sacrament until Confession.
But that’s not what I meant: if you enter into Marriage deceitfully, that’s not a valid marriage contract. If a man (or woman) is not honest to his (or her) betrothed about previous sexual behavior, then how can there be a valid marriage sacrament? That’s a pretty serious deception.
 
I do not believe in Gardisil, I wouldnt be surprised if it somehow prevents or makes pregnancy harder to achieve, because I also believe big pharma is in cahoots with those who are into population control. Anyone who could give their still developing daughters this drug is harming their child down the road
 
Brendan said:
Simple, when they announce their engagement, recommend to her that she receive this vaccine.

Why exactly would she need it at any point prior. especially in elementary school?
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I answered this question, when I stated in the same post form which you quoted me:

*Why vaccinate now and not wait until daughter is engaged -
Because it is within my ability to do so now. She is in my home, under my influence and care. I do not know where she will live, work, etc. when she gets engaged. What if she lives on the other side of the country? will I be calling her up and saying “remember that talk we had about Gardasil? go do it now!” *

My daughter is not 11, she’s 17, and off to university next year. She is committed to remaining virgin through to her marriage, if she marries. I am not worried about her morals. However, I cannot guarantee she will meet or marry a virgin.

imho, if our daughters are going to remain chaste through to marriage, it makes no difference to me if they get the vaccine at 11 or 25. However, at age 11, the girls are all in school together, and all in a group accessible for health authorities to reach maximum numbers. There is probably an economic reality that it is less costly to deliver a vaccine to, say, 100 girls at a school than for those 100 girls to arrange to come in separately for the vaccine.

I will say, I am from Canada, and so my view of the economic reality may differ from many posters here.

I will also say I am a fan of vaccinations. I get the flu shot every year and I try to vaccinate my children for the flu every year too. I have never worried about side effects of vaccinations, and I have healthy children who have never reacted. My view on vaccinations is “can’t hurt, might help, why not do it?”

I also have a friend who is a very committed Catholic woman, active in her parish, deep faith, strong prayer life, etc. She has recently been treated for cervical cancer, and believe me, she wishes there had been a vaccine available to her, whether at age 11 or whenever! This is her sobering reality as she ponders the prospect of her children growing up without their mother.

imho
 
sandraladeda said:
I also have a friend who is a very committed Catholic woman, active in her parish, deep faith, strong prayer life, etc. She has recently been treated for cervical cancer, and believe me, she wishes there had been a vaccine available to her, whether at age 11 or whenever! This is her sobering reality as she ponders the prospect of her children growing up without their mother.

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Such a tragic story. 😦 So sad to hear this.

My friend lost his sister in the early 90’s due to cervical cancer, she was 19.

Until the vaccine was discovered, the medical community knew HPV existed but didn’t notify the public because the medical community at large didn’t want to cause panic, and didn’t think sexual activity could be controlled and condoms were ineffective against it, so it didn’t bother explaining the real danger.

So I guess you could say I’m a bit jaded about the whole thing.

And for all the arguments - the flu causes many more deaths but yet no one is mandated to get a flu vaccine? Why are we mandating that little girls get a vaccine for an STD if we aren’t trying to indoctrinate them into acceptance of sexual behaviors?
 
buffalo said:
Catholic school refuses to promote promiscuity via HPV vaccination

Vituperation is being heaped upon the governors of St Monica’s High School in Bury because they have refused to allow 12 and 13-year-old girls to be vaccinated on the premises against the Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) under a Government scheme. Since the purpose of the injections is to reduce the risk of cervical cancer due to sexual promiscuity, it is a controversial programme. The school governors have set out their purely medical reservations in a letter to parents.
Last year Monsignor John Allen, one of the governors, voiced the moral objections: “Morally it seems to be a sticking-plaster response. Parents must consider the knock-on effect of encouraging sexual promiscuity. Instead of taking it for granted that teenagers will engage in sexual activity, we can offer a vision of a full life keeping yourself for a lifelong partnership in marriage.”

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Where have you seen the HPV vaccination is protection for those youngsters having sex? I thought it was a vac. for any youngster for prevention of cervical cancer later in life. What gives?
 
elts1956 said:
Where have you seen the HPV vaccination is protection for those youngsters having sex? I thought it was a vac. for any youngster for prevention of cervical cancer later in life. What gives?
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They will tell you the girls will not get it unless they are active.
 
I haven’t seen anyone raise this issue, so I will clarify:
Surprisingly, the HPV vaccine is not made from fetal tissue. I’ve always taken for granted that it was, but I double checked last night.
 
Wait…so a Catholic school is in the news for refusing a vaccine that supposedly, maybe, protects women from a disease that in rare cases may lead to a cancer that numbers about 2500 deaths a year?

Why does everyone have to make this a sexual issue. The vaccine is a joke and so is the thinly veiled experimenting they are doing on developing girls.
 
buffalo said:
Catholic school refuses to promote promiscuity via HPV vaccination

Vituperation is being heaped upon the governors of St Monica’s High School in Bury because they have refused to allow 12 and 13-year-old girls to be vaccinated on the premises against the Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) under a Government scheme. Since the purpose of the injections is to reduce the risk of cervical cancer due to sexual promiscuity, it is a controversial programme. The school governors have set out their purely medical reservations in a letter to parents.
Last year Monsignor John Allen, one of the governors, voiced the moral objections: “Morally it seems to be a sticking-plaster response. Parents must consider the knock-on effect of encouraging sexual promiscuity. Instead of taking it for granted that teenagers will engage in sexual activity, we can offer a vision of a full life keeping yourself for a lifelong partnership in marriage.”

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I don’t understand. I thought this vaccine was to protect a female throughout life. And I didn’t realize sex causes cancer.???
 
buffalo said:
Catholic school refuses to promote promiscuity via HPV vaccination

Vituperation is being heaped upon the governors of St Monica’s High School in Bury because they have refused to allow 12 and 13-year-old girls to be vaccinated on the premises against the Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) under a Government scheme. Since the purpose of the injections is to reduce the risk of cervical cancer due to sexual promiscuity, it is a controversial programme. The school governors have set out their purely medical reservations in a letter to parents.
Last year Monsignor John Allen, one of the governors, voiced the moral objections: “Morally it seems to be a sticking-plaster response. Parents must consider the knock-on effect of encouraging sexual promiscuity. Instead of taking it for granted that teenagers will engage in sexual activity, we can offer a vision of a full life keeping yourself for a lifelong partnership in marriage.”

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timotheos said:
Yes, the school is wrong not to give the Gardasil vaccine. They should also teach the use of condoms, IUDs, and BCPs because, you know, they’re going to do it anyway. They should be educated re: tubal ligations and vasectomies, because at some point after having a child (or not) they are going to want to have unrestricted sex without the burden of any more children anyway. They should give them copies of the DaVinci Code because they’re going to question their faith anyway.

Did I leave anything out? Maybe distribute some pornography while we’re at it? Because they are going to objectify the opposite sex like “everyone else” anyway.

It sure is fun sliding down the slope. BTW, the vaccine is not nearly as good as the claims state, but that would take another hour for me to explain.

Tim
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Whew!!! There for a minute I didn’t realize you were being sarcastic.
 
Let’s not punish any woman younger, older, engaged or not with preventable disease because she made a mistake or poor moral choices. How about we give the vaccine as routine among other disease vaccines because we don’t know what her future might bring including an infected spouse, including pre-marital sex. At the same time we teach her pro life , pro-family values.
I think you can do both. I am 100% prolife and my daughter will get the vaccine because I am not going to take ANY chances with her health. Fortunately she is 5 and I have the luxery of time to see how the vaccine turns out in regard to side effects. However, I do this with ANY vaccine. I waited on the chicken pox vaccine and I do not get flu shots. However , I do not expect to die of the flu. If I thought there was a chance , I would get the flu shot too. We are talking about our children and preventable disease. Don’t put the cart before the horse.

Thank you,
Maria
 
GodsGadfly said:
  1. Worried about catching an STD from a future spouse? Don’t marry someone who’s fornicated. If he lied, then there’s no sacrament of holy matrimony.
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My husband was not a virgin when we were married, nor did he lie. He was quite upfront about his earlier mistakes. Should I not have married a wonderful, faithful, Catholic man who was 30 when we were married because he made mistakes in his early 20s??? All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, correct? Is that one sin, fornication, unforgiveable? I don’t think it is.
 
I won’t be getting Gardisil, but it doesn’t have anything to do with morals. I think most vaccines are more trouble than they are worth. I’m just not convinced this has been tested enough, and I’m sure the CDC would do everything possible to gloss over any inconvenient findings the way they have with the MMR/Autism issue. Besides, the chances of HPV leading to cervical cancer is extremely low.
 
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