Catholic school teacher fired for marriage

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KathleenElsie said:
Gingrich is in a Sacramental marriage (look it up).

This teacher is not and seems to have no desire to do so.
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I am glad it is. It would be a shame. Just was peculiar that it was so being that his current marriage began as adultry in 1998.
 
Certainly seems like the right thing to do assuming they are firing all of the other sinners as well. Hope it’s a small school, must be hard to fill those positions.
 
josephdavid said:
I am glad it is. It would be a shame. Just was peculiar that it was so being that his current marriage began as adultry in 1998.
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Quite frankly, that’s absolutely none of your business. You don’t know the state of his conscience, or if he’s been to confession or whatever.
 
CuriousInIL said:
Certainly seems like the right thing to do assuming they are firing all of the other sinners as well. Hope it’s a small school, must be hard to fill those positions.
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I don’t think that’s the issue. I’m getting the impression that this was the “straw that broke the camel’s back”, and that she was quite beligerant about the whole thing.
 
averheyen said:
Quite frankly, that’s absolutely none of your business. You don’t know the state of his conscience, or if he’s been to confession or whatever.
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Obviously he had been to confession. Or he would not had his annulments go through or accepted into the Church.

I am happy to see he came to the Church. I am always happy to see that. Just was curious how that worked with the circumstances.
 
josephdavid said:
Obviously he had been to confession. Or he would not had his annulments go through or accepted into the Church.

I am happy to see he came to the Church. I am always happy to see that. Just was curious how that worked with the circumstances.
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fair enough
 
Bravo Mr. Principle! I was beginning to wonder if there were any real and faithful catholic schools . What a blessing this man is to this school. He and the school will be in my prayers. Hopefully all catholics will be inspired to stand up and trully live our faith.
 
josephdavid said:
Obviously he had been to confession. Or he would not had his annulments go through or accepted into the Church.

I am happy to see he came to the Church. I am always happy to see that. Just was curious how that worked with the circumstances.
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Happy he came to the Church yet just publicly accused him of Adultery. Go figure.
 
estesbob said:
Happy he came to the Church yet just publicly accused him of Adultery. Go figure.
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Well? Its true. Not as if I am making a false accusation.

I mentioned that in relation to my question how was is possible he received annulments of his 2 previous marriages.
 
josephdavid said:
I believe the school should at least put her on some sort of leave to get her husband’s annulment worked out.
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Petitions for nullity are not automatically granted. No one should assume that this teacher’s first marriage would be declared an invalid one by any tribunal. Should this woman ever actually decide to submit a petition, whether it is granted, and however long the process takes for the petition to be granted or denied, are way beyond the power of this woman or the school she was fired from.

It looks like this particular Catholic school wants its teachers to be models of Catholicism – she chose not to be one.
 
quiet52 said:
Petitions for nullity are not automatically granted. No one should assume that this teacher’s first marriage would be declared an invalid one by any tribunal. Should this woman ever actually decide to submit a petition, whether it is granted, and however long the process takes for the petition to be granted or denied, are way beyond the power of this woman or the school she was fired from.

It looks like this particular Catholic school wants its teachers to be models of Catholicism – she chose not to be one.
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Quiet:

Being a model Catholic is not what the school is demanding of her. To willfully and knowingly enter into an invalid marriage is in fact to willfully and knowingly committ adultery. Even an imperfect Catholic understands that this is wrong.

No matter how long the process of annullment might take, she should have insisted her fiance go through it before consenting to marry him. If the annullment was refused, or if he refused to submit to the process she should have not agreed to marry him. That isn’t being a model Catholic, that is just being Catholic. That is submitting one’s will to God.

Marsha
 
rpp said:
I believe they probably did. The article did mention that she was urged to have her fiancé seek an annulment. Whatever else may have been said, that would have been the core of any pastoral counseling. Seems to me that the school had no choice.
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This is always a sticky situation with Catholic schools. I used to teach in Catholic school many years ago. In the first school I taught in, a very popular football coach and his girlfriend were found to be expecting. I believe they got married, and he was allowed to keep his job. In another school I taught in, the principal (a nun–in full habit, FYI), hired a teacher whom she later learned was a fallen- away Catholic married to a divorced man. Had she known this at the time, I doubt she would have hired the teacher, but after the fact, the principal felt that she couldn’t let her go. 🤷

In my kids’ elementary school, one of the unmarried teachers became pregnant. The principal (a lay woman) insisted on her resignation immediately.

I know of one teacher I taught with was going through a divorce. She resigned her position because she knew that it would be very problematic if she wanted to date again. At this same school, there was a teacher who divorced, and she knew that unless she had that marriage annulled, she would never date as long as she was at this school. That was some 20 years ago–she’s still there–and single.

Perhaps it was not made clear enough that IF you violate the Church in a public way (i.e., marrying a divorcée, for example), then you forfeit your job. No ifs ands or buts!

It’s a tough call! It will be interesting to see what the courts do with this one!
 
AaronK88 said:
I don’t necessarily think she should be fired… Like another said, I think the matter should be resolved correctly. I don’t understand the opposition in getting an annulment, I am sure that option was mentioned to the two. I hear it can sometimes be taxing to get an annulment, but in a case like this it would be worth it.
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Indeed it can be taxing-- but so what? Life is like that. It costs a lot to do the right thing as opposed to the easy thing. Its called “Sacrifice.” There can be no compromise with sin.

This teacher clearly wants to do the easy thing rather then the right thing.

Perhaps had she been willing to pursue an anullment, and pursue marriage AFTER having recieved it, she could have stayed on-- but no-- its more important that her emotions dictate what is right rather then God’s Holy and Inerrent Word. In other words she will determine what is right, not God, and not the Church. She doesn’t think (“feel”) she is doing anything wrong— well golly! Who cares what she thinks? The Church is worried about what GOD thinks.

That is liberal, secular, humanism- and God knows we don’t need that infecting our Catholic Schools.
 
Marsha_Adams said:
Perhaps (and I’m just guessing here) she knew that no annulment could be given because the marriage was sacramentally sound and he divorced his wife for an unacceptable reason.
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So where did she recieve her “JCD?” Rome? Catholic University of America? Some other highly respected and accredited instiution or school of theology?

If she knows this then she is a highly trained and experience Canon Lawyer.
 
Lujack said:
Is she a good teacher? Then she should keep her job. I went to a Catholic school and I met the spouse of three teachers. Two of them were my football coaches.

Now, if she is a religion teacher, that’s a different story, but quite frankly, I don’t see how this affects her class at all. There isn’t any reason for her students to know her personal situation.
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If one teaches in a Catholic School, they have to live the the norms and rules in which THEY signed on when they were hired.

It is not a question of effecting a class, but of giving good example. The whole point of Catholic Schools is for the environment to be passionately Catholic. Otherwise-- why be there? You can go to a pulic school for free.

The Church sounds like it was willing to work with her- but no-- her emotions will dictate truth not anyone else.

She brought it on herself.
 
josephdavid said:
Kind of strange being that the Catholic Church just allowed Newt Gingrich to take Holy Communion when he has been divorced twice and now married 3rd time to a woman who was his mistriss while he was married to second woman.

I believe the school should at least put her on some sort of leave to get her husband’s annulment worked out.
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I didn’t know he was Catholic! I learned something today!
 
CuriousInIL said:
Certainly seems like the right thing to do assuming they are firing all of the other sinners as well. Hope it’s a small school, must be hard to fill those positions.
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No, not firing sinners. All have sinned. This however is something notorious. The Church intervenes not necessarily for a sinner- but something that has become PUBLIC.
 
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