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CMatt25
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Tantum maybe you ought to refrain from both fried and grilled scallops.
"Catholic social teaching finds Church teaching lacking." by Bishop Dowling
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Via_Dolorosa
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right, Baretta= the guy with the parrot who allegedly killed his wife
Biretta= 4 point hat with pom pom on top.
Sorry I got the two mixed up.
Biretta= 4 point hat with pom pom on top.
Sorry I got the two mixed up.
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Tantum_ergo
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Matt, I find your sentiment distinctly fishy. I don’t know why you’ve been musseling in on the topic. I hope it doesn’t make you too crabby.
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St_Francis
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Via and Matt,
I think that the one thing you two might be missing is that it is one thing for Christ Himself to humble Himself, it is another altogether for us to humble Him.
It’s been an interesting conversation, but I agree with Matt that we are going around in circles now…
I think that the one thing you two might be missing is that it is one thing for Christ Himself to humble Himself, it is another altogether for us to humble Him.
It’s been an interesting conversation, but I agree with Matt that we are going around in circles now…
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canadianguy1143
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Hey CMatt what do you think of this lesson of Jesus:
John 12:1-9:
[1] Jesus therefore, six days before the pasch, came to Bethania, where Lazarus had been dead, whom Jesus raised to life. [2] And they made him a supper there: and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that were at table with him. [3] Mary therefore took a pound of ointment of right spikenard, of great price, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. [4] Then one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, he that was about to betray him, said: [5] Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6] Now he said this, not because he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and having the purse, carried the things that were put therein. [7] Jesus therefore said: Let her alone, that she may keep it against the day of my burial. [8] For the poor you have always with you; but me you have not always. [9] A great multitude therefore of the Jews knew that he was there; and they came, not for Jesus’ sake only, but that they might see Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead.
Kinda shoots your theory down doesn’t it?
John 12:1-9:
[1] Jesus therefore, six days before the pasch, came to Bethania, where Lazarus had been dead, whom Jesus raised to life. [2] And they made him a supper there: and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that were at table with him. [3] Mary therefore took a pound of ointment of right spikenard, of great price, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair; and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. [4] Then one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, he that was about to betray him, said: [5] Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
[6] Now he said this, not because he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and having the purse, carried the things that were put therein. [7] Jesus therefore said: Let her alone, that she may keep it against the day of my burial. [8] For the poor you have always with you; but me you have not always. [9] A great multitude therefore of the Jews knew that he was there; and they came, not for Jesus’ sake only, but that they might see Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead.
Kinda shoots your theory down doesn’t it?
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Via_Dolorosa
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Not really. One of the points of the parable was that Lazarus was eating. Showing that he needed to eat to be fully alive. There are two lessons going on in this scripture passage. It also says that Judas didn’t really care for the poor, he was a thief and was being disengenuous…Jesus was calling hiim out for being a hypocrit.
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Via_Dolorosa
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I’m certainly not trying to humble Him in anyway. I’m pointing out the the dgree to which Christ valued and exemplified that very trait.
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rlg94086
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The first thing I thought of when I read this was the Amish. I think Matt and Via might be more comfortable in an Amish community, rather than the hochmut trappings of the “English.”
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Tantum_ergo
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I still feel that it comes down to authority.
Either we accept that the Catholic Church has authority to determine appropriately things like dress, forms of worship, items of worship. . .
or we don’t.
If we do, then even if our personal tastes are as Spartan and severe as a desert hermit’s, we will not presume to ‘judge’ items in the Church which we personally find too much for ‘our’ taste as being ‘unsuitable.’
If we don’t, then even if we decorate our own homes with gold plate faucets and wear Dior gowns, we will 'demand only the coarsest homespun, sandals, and the dirtiest wood ‘hovel’ as ‘suitable’ for the Church as we have deemed that only so will she follow Christ to OUR satisfaction.
Luckily the Church is eternal and timeless. She doesn’t have to adjust Herself to the whims and fads and fashions of AD 2010.
Either we accept that the Catholic Church has authority to determine appropriately things like dress, forms of worship, items of worship. . .
or we don’t.
If we do, then even if our personal tastes are as Spartan and severe as a desert hermit’s, we will not presume to ‘judge’ items in the Church which we personally find too much for ‘our’ taste as being ‘unsuitable.’
If we don’t, then even if we decorate our own homes with gold plate faucets and wear Dior gowns, we will 'demand only the coarsest homespun, sandals, and the dirtiest wood ‘hovel’ as ‘suitable’ for the Church as we have deemed that only so will she follow Christ to OUR satisfaction.
Luckily the Church is eternal and timeless. She doesn’t have to adjust Herself to the whims and fads and fashions of AD 2010.
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Via_Dolorosa
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But the Amish don’t use computers. How would i reach out and ask for help in the area of multiple quotes.The first thing I thought of when I read this was the Amish. I think Matt and Via might be more comfortable in an Amish community, rather than the hochmut trappings of the “English.”
Thanks, Robert
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Tantum_ergo
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It has appeared to me (and to others too I believe) that in your pointing out Christ’s humility to excess, you are denying Him His glory. One aspect must not ‘overbalance’ the other.
I’m perfectly willing to glorify Christ in His humility . .but He is not ‘only’ humble. He is Lord of all.
He is not set in amber in AD33 wearing a ‘poor plain robe’ for all time and eternity.
Wearing His CROWN (Revelation) and His kingly attire (Transfiguration) and seated on the Throne, He is, though in Kingly Splendor, STILL ‘humble’. He does not HAVE to wear a plain robe --He wears **our human flesh, though glorified . .which in itself is far more humble than any cloth. **
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Tantum_ergo
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Many Mennonite groups do use electricity and generators (and thus computers). . .while still plain clothes and plain living.
Of course, with the Amish you’d have multiple goats instead, possibly.
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rlg94086
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Excellent point! That explains why I don’t have any Amish Facebook friends, I guess.
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Via_Dolorosa
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I’m going to tell my friends about this statement. It is so far from the truth about me. I took a rode trip with a group of friends from high school this summer ( and we are quite a few years away from high school) to Northern Wisconsin. We stopped at a few Amish establishments and could’nt help but wonder who would choose to live like this. I meant to do a little research, but didn’t. Thanks for reminding me.The first thing I thought of when I read this was the Amish. I think Matt and Via might be more comfortable in an Amish community, rather than the hochmut trappings of the “English.”
When we were there we went to Mass at an Indian reservation. It was the smallest church i have ever been in. The whole church was as big as my living room. It was a beautiful and simple mass. The priest talked about the need for health care reform. He was adament since he was ministering to very poor people who may or may not have had any. After Mass we came to the conclusion that he was where he was because he may have been too liberal. True? I don’t know. He maybe could only address 50 at one mass. We went to a casino right after mass.
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Brendan
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But why did Christ then reveal Himself to St. John as sitting on a throne of Glory?
St. John of Clarvioux described humility as knowing the truth of oneself. The truth of the priest at Mass is that he is (name removed by moderator)ersona of the Christ who sits in Resplendant Glory.
Therefore ornate vestments, being the image of the Ressurected Christ as He revealed Himself, fit that defintion of humility.
Unless of course, one claims to more about that particular virture than St. John of Clavioux.
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Via_Dolorosa
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I’m having a lot of trouble with comcast. I can’t imagine what dial-up is like these days.
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Via_Dolorosa
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Who said this? I know nothing of St John of Clavioux so why would I diss him?
I have a question for you. What’s with the sheep with the hats?
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elts1956
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Social Justice well and good. But Social Justice very often gets lost in what individuals think is the way to "love"of their neighbors. As was said, the Social Justice folk have forgotten there are hierarchies of good and evil. Our last POTUS election was a good example of that. Gee, pay everyone’s electric and heating bill but deny there is life in the womb. Enough of the hippie agenda. Get back to basics.Social justice was afterall a particularly large aspect of Christ’s teachings along with love and peace. NCR must be mimicking Christ’s emphasis on social justice then, Tantum. He taught us a way on how to express our love for Him in righteousness in Matt 25:35-46. Basically He said if you are attentive to the social justice issues, you serve Him and shall have eternal life.
Those folks at NCR must be in good shape!
Peace.
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Brendan
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He wrote some pretty cool stuff, especially on Mariology.
On the priests knowing themselves. Holy Orders is part of who they are ( in creates an indelible mark on the soul). So knowing that they are in persona Christi at Mass, and that Christ is Resurrected and in Glory is part of knowing themselves.
Moral Theology pun. The hats are galleros, red ones are worn by Cardinals. They are Prudence, Justice, Fortitude and Temperance
The Four Cardinal Vert Ewes.
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